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  • ticatfan
    The Meathead of Muslims!
    • Jul 2002
    • 31087

    The difference between the 2 leagues

    If you guys are going to follow Ricky this year, and I hope you do, then here are some things to know to follow and understand the CFL game. As other have said, it’s a very old game. The Toronto Argonauts franchise was established in 1873, and at over 130 years old it is the oldest professional sports franchise in North America. The championship trophy in the CFL is called the Grey Cup and it was donated by Albert Grey, otherwise know as the 4th Earl Grey and who was the Governor General of Canada at the time, and it has been awarded since 1909 with only a 4 years off during WWI.

    The game itself is older than the NFL game but it has evolved in a number of ways over the years like the NFL has. It differs from the NFL game in many ways but 3 key was need to be understood by an NFL fan before your can begin to understand the play of the game. The 1st is that there are only 3 downs. The 2nd is that the field is 65 yards wide, not 53.5 yards wide, and the 3rd is that there is an extra player on the field and he is a receiver on offence and a DB on defence.

    I think the best way to think of this from an NFL fans standpoint is to picture an NFL game where the offence is lined up with 3 WRs a FB and a RB. Then stretch the short side of the field out making the field 11.5 yards wider. Now stick and extra WR out there in that extra space and a DB on defence to cover him. Now pretend that all 1st downs automatically become 2nd downs, so you are always starting in 2nd and long. Now make yourself the coach. Which players are you going to use and what plays are you doing to call?

    The shift in emphasis from power to speed and quickness becomes clear quite quickly. The straight ahead running game won’t be nearly as effective as you’re always starting in 2nd and long, but you do have a huge amount of extra width to use with no extra players in the box. A RB who is quick and fast enough to get to the outside, or at least to threaten to get to the outside and thereby spread the defence, is going to be much more effective than a straight ahead more power oriented back. This is why RBs like John Avery can be very successful in the CFL while a running back like Skip Hicks got cut by the Argos without ever playing a down.

    The same factors affect the QB position. With only 3 downs and little to no power running game there is a lot of pressure on the QB to find a way to get first downs. QBs who can use the width of the field by rolling out to buy more time and perhaps even running themselves are the ones who tend to be successful. Note that by rolling out and spreading the defensive line there are many more passing lanes so being tall isn’t that important, but being athletic is very important. Jeff Garcia, Doug Flutie and Warren Moon are prototypical CFL QBs, for example, and of course all learned to play like that in the CFL before becoming NFL stars. Moon says that it’s harder to get a first down in the CFL and a lot more pressure is put in the QB to make it happen.


    You can follow this through and begin to understand the differences on defence too. Defensive lines are no longer defending against 220 RBs and pocket passers. They are defending against 190 lbs. RBs who run 4.41 40s and make cuts like a jackrabbit. (There was a reason Avery was drafted in the 1st round after all). And the QBs are all more athletic than the standard NFL pocket passer and all are able to rollout and many can run too. Kerry Joseph ran for over 1,000 yards last year while passing for close to 4,500. Defensive lines, especially DEs, and the linebacking cores not only have to cover a field over 20% wider with the same number of people, but they have to cover fast, quick, athletic RBs and QBs and almost no power backs or pocket passers. Consequently they are smaller and quicker than players who play on the DL and in the LB corps in the NFL. CFL DEs you might be familiar with include Raheim Abdullah, who was a second round NFL draft pick as an OLB, and Jonathan Brown, a 3rd round pick of Green Bay. Brown plays for the Argos too and this year Eric Flowers and Issac Hilton will be trying out for them as quick DEs who can cover the wide field too.

    DTs aren’t quite as different in the CFL but we don’t have any Wilforks, or Ted Washingtons. Guys that size become pylons on the big field when nobody is running at them. (There are a couple of other rules that have an impact on these guys as well. There are only 20 seconds between plays after the ref places the ball, and rosters are only 40 men, and if a new rule gets approved this year 42 men, so there aren’t as many subs.) Dario Romero is a guy who began his career in the CFL and did ok, although I don’t think he was a star. He went on to play for Miami and is now back trying out with Montreal. Another DT in the NFL who came from the CFL is Willie Whitehead.

    Our OLBs are often converted safeties because they need to cover a lot of extra ground and they don’t face many power backs. Ricky will be changing that as Robert Edwards did to some extent last year, so we’ll be seeing some changes at that position, perhaps moving back to small but quick NCAA LBs. Brendon Ayanbadejo was a pretty good CFL LB before heading to the NFL, as was Shelton Quarles.

    Other differences include the lack of TEs in the CFL. Again, with the wide field and only 3 downs it’s better to put an extra receiver out there than a TE. Defences use 4 DBs and one safety. Two CBs cover the WRs, two other DBs play inside to cover the two SBs, and the safety plays centre field, or he blitzes, or provides double coverage, or a lot of other possible variations and stunts. With no TEs and very few RBs in the 220 range DBs don’t have to be that big to survive without getting injured, but they do have to be very fast. Rollout QBs extend plays and so the average CFL play is longer than the average NFL play, and so the DB has to keep coverage on his man longer and in a bigger area. So you’ll find a lot of 5'10" 180 lbs DBs with 4.40 speed in the CFL.

    There are other differences too. The DL has to line up one yard off the ball, for one, but this can serve as your primer. Training camp in now on and the season starts in less than a month. Check it out. It’s quite different than the NFL, but it’s a very wide open and fun brand of football. Doug Flutie has always said that it put the fun back into football for him and he’s not alone. Most American players who come up come to love the game. It doesn’t pay like the NFL, with the average salary being about $80,000, but top non QBs can get between $150k and $200k and top QBs get between $350k and $450k. Ricky Ray asked to get out of his contract with the Jets last year and reportedly gave back some of his signing bonus so he could come back and start for the Edmonton and make $450k Cdn, which is about $400k US these days.

    So as you can see the CFL is a very different game than the NFL game, and the kinds of players that excel are quite a bit different. Ricky Williams isn’t ideally suited to the CFL game because he doesn’t have the top speed to take advantage of the width of the field, but he’s going into a situation that may well work very well for him. He’ll be close to the slowest RB in the league but he’ll also be the biggest and he’s coming in at a time when defences have specialized to a high degree on stopping the small, quick, fast back. He’s also going to a team with a very agile and still quite fast QB, Marcus Allen’s brother Damon Allen. Historically teams have focussed on keeping Damon in the pocket to limit the damage he can do when the rolls out and runs. With RW defences will have to worry about the inside as much as the outside running and Damon and Ricky could be a deadly one two punch.
    Political correctness ( or cancel culture as it is called today) is a doctrine fostered by a delusional ,illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by MSM which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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  • Patrick76777
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 17297

    #2
    Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

    Me and the crew are going to head up to Hamilton for a game. Should be a blast.
    Resign our own guys!

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    • Jan Reimers
      Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
      • May 2003
      • 17353

      #3
      Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

      I've seen a lot of CFL games on TV and one in person (Calgary-BC) and, while it's not the NFL, it is wide open, exciting football.
      Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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      • ticatfan
        The Meathead of Muslims!
        • Jul 2002
        • 31087

        #4
        Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

        Originally posted by Patrick76777
        Me and the crew are going to head up to Hamilton for a game. Should be a blast.
        Go to a ticat -argo and watch ricky .lol
        Political correctness ( or cancel culture as it is called today) is a doctrine fostered by a delusional ,illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by MSM which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
        Harry S Truman 1941.

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        • hammerbillsfan
          Registered User
          • Aug 2005
          • 17878

          #5
          Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

          Originally posted by Patrick76777
          Me and the crew are going to head up to Hamilton for a game. Should be a blast.
          Stop by and say hi, I'll be at all the games.

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          • BAM
            Registered User
            • Sep 2003
            • 33135

            #6
            Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

            The CFL is still around?

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            • ticatfan
              The Meathead of Muslims!
              • Jul 2002
              • 31087

              #7
              Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

              Originally posted by BAM
              The CFL is still around?
              Unfortunitly you are.
              Political correctness ( or cancel culture as it is called today) is a doctrine fostered by a delusional ,illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by MSM which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
              Harry S Truman 1941.

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              • CaliFan
                Registered User
                • Apr 2006
                • 13

                #8
                Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

                Thanks for the post. It was very informative.

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                • hammerbillsfan
                  Registered User
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 17878

                  #9
                  Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

                  Originally posted by BAM
                  The CFL is still around?

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                  • !Papacrunk!
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 2786

                    #10
                    Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

                    thanks for the info, good stuff. What stations broadcast, is it a local thing (in regards to US cities that may be local to some Canadian cities,) or have there been some broadcasted via ESPN? I've been wanting to watch some CFL, and especially now with Williams heading north. Thanks again for the info.

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                    • G. Host
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 10298

                      #11
                      Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

                      It is sometimes on NBC and on Fox cable sports.

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                      • EricStratton
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 20893

                        #12
                        Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

                        The biggest difference is there is no drug testing in the CFL.

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                        • ticatfan
                          The Meathead of Muslims!
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 31087

                          #13
                          Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

                          Originally posted by EricStratton
                          The biggest difference is there is no drug testing in the CFL.
                          Not yet, but testing for weed is a waste of time.
                          Political correctness ( or cancel culture as it is called today) is a doctrine fostered by a delusional ,illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by MSM which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
                          Harry S Truman 1941.

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                          • EricStratton
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 20893

                            #14
                            Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

                            For the CFL to open up to Ricky and Onterrio Smith shows what a sad state they are in.

                            They are willing to show anyone who cares that the league will do anything to get some publicity, even if it reflects poorly on the league IMO.

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                            • ticatfan
                              The Meathead of Muslims!
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 31087

                              #15
                              Re: The difference between the 2 leagues

                              Originally posted by EricStratton
                              For the CFL to open up to Ricky and Onterrio Smith shows what a sad state they are in.

                              They are willing to show anyone who cares that the league will do anything to get some publicity, even if it reflects poorly on the league IMO.
                              Take a hard look at the gansters, murders and rapists playing in the NFL, give me a break. So nobody playing in the NFL is doing drugs, open your eyes eric. And the argos which I hate with a pasion do have a history and giving player 2nd chances and that player cleaning himself up. Maybe it is thepressure cooker you call the NFL is the problem. The CFL is stronger now then it has ever been. In the CFL you don;t make the millions like the NFL, so we have a lot more educated players up here ,because they need second career. Shake your head eric.
                              Political correctness ( or cancel culture as it is called today) is a doctrine fostered by a delusional ,illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by MSM which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
                              Harry S Truman 1941.

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