F Jackson the #2 RB?

[ICE74129]

Bills | Team looking at F. Jackson as No. 2 running back
Mon, 29 May 2006 19:06:06 -0700

FOXSports.com reports the Buffalo Bills are looking at RB Fred Jackson a s a possible No. 2 running back behind RB Willis McGahee. Jackson had a strong year with NFL Europe where he finished second in the league with 731 rushing yards and was one of two players to break 1,000 yards from scrimmage after finishing with 1,048 yards.


Interesting.

[FlyingDutchman]

Re: F Jackson the #2 RB?

how many games do they play in a season there?

[OpIv37]

Re: F Jackson the #2 RB?

why the hell did we sign A train then?

I'm getting a little sick of Marv's career rehabilitation projects. Our roster is starting to look like a list of used car dealership franchisees.

[G. Host]

Re: F Jackson the #2 RB?

Because he wants competition in camp. Some hate competition especially those who have hooked their sleigh to one player but most would prefer positions be competed for.

Jackson played well in NFL Europe and should get the chance to compete unlike some of the players sent to Europe which were treated like camp training sleds.

[ShadowHawk7]

Re: F Jackson the #2 RB?

Great. The competition b/w Gates, Jackson, Williams, and A-Train for 2 roster spots should bring the best two backs out.

[OpIv37]

Re: F Jackson the #2 RB?

well we could use a better back-up than Shaud but there are other more important positions at the moment. There's no one to challenge Villarrial or Gandy but we found 2 rbs? doesn't make sense.

[G. Host]

Re: F Jackson the #2 RB?

It is a lot easier to find decent RBs than decent LTs. It is why many teams like Pittsburgh have UDFA RBs who seem to do fine.

Draft was extremely weak on OT according to 'experts' and FA had very few.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Re: F Jackson the #2 RB?

I think the author of that was just speculating based on Jackson's performance in NFLE and the fact that Jackson graduated from the same school that Levy went to and coached at.

In the article on the Galaxy winning the World Bowl on BB.com, John Guy is quoted as saying the following about Jackson and his chances to make the Bills:

"On Fred Jackson’s chances to make team:

It’s going to be very difficult for him. He had good season in the NFL Europe, but he’s missing that extra gear right now when he gets into the open field. He’s got to work on that if he wants to have a chance."
URL: http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=3793



Coming from Guy, who just might know a bit more about the Bills and the qualities of their players than the guy who wrote the article for msn.foxsports, that doesn't sound like the Bills are about to hand Jackson the # 2 spot on the depth chart at RB at this point.

If Jackson doesn't have "that extra gear", it is highly doubtful that he will be able to beat out Thomas. He will probably battle with S.Williams, who is faster but a lot smaller, and L.Gates, who is in some ways a similar kind of back, for the # 3 RB job or maybe a spot on the PS. IMHO, based on Guy's comments (which, appearing on the BB.com site today, may be in response to the msn.foxsports article) and DJ's comments on Thomas that have appeared on BB.com, Jackson would have to show a lot in the OTAs, TC and the preseason to even come close to having a shot at the # 2 RB job by the end of the preseason if both stay healthy. So, let's not all start to get our panties in a bunch here....

why the hell did we sign A train then?

I'm getting a little sick of Marv's career rehabilitation projects. Our roster is starting to look like a list of used car dealership franchisees.

You (and this is addressed to not just OpIv) may not like Marv or the fact that he is the GM, you may not trust anything that comes out of OBD, you may think Marv is too old or totally disagree with what he has been doing with the team, but don't automatically assume that, because of that, he is stupid (or that DJ is, either) or that the moves that he makes with the Bills are not part of a plan that has been thought through! He may not always be right--some of his moves might not pan out or may even backfire--but don't for one minute think that there's not a reason for the moves that he is making or that they are random. That old man didn't do what he has done and get where he is by doing things that way! You don't have to understand or agree with what he does, but, if you don't initially understand or see a reason behind what he is doing, start with the assumption that there is one and try to figure it out, first, before screaming about it.

IMHO, too many Bills fans have been so turned off by the way that TD ran things at OBD that they automatically assume than ANY move that anyone associated with the Bills makes now that does not initially make sense to them is automatically wrong, stupid or has been done without a reason behind it--especially if it is something that they, themselves, would not have done. It's as if walking through the doors at OBD automatically makes anyone who does so brain-dead stupid and less knowledgeable about the game of professional football in the NFL than they are. Well, they may not always be right, you may not always agree with them, and you may not always be able to initially see the logic behind what they are doing, but you cannot and should not automatically assume that they are all blithering, brain-dead idiots.

And, that especially applies to Levy, who got a master's degree from Harvard and has been around the game since virtually anyone on this messageboard has been alive, and Jauron, who was intelligent enough to get into Yale. Of course they can be wrong, make mistakes and bad decisions at times--and certainly will continue to do so from time to time--but these are intelligent men who are not stupid and who are not just doing things for the sake of doing them. If you read Levy's book and then look at what he has done since taking over the Bills as GM, it is obvious that Marv and his HC have a plan that they are following. Now, you may not like the plan or think that it will succeed, but don't believe that they are so stupid that they don't have a plan...or that there isn't a logic behind every one of the moves that they have made, including the signing of A.Thomas, et al.

Obviously, I don't know if that plan is going to work any more than anyone else does, but, as fans of the Buffalo Bills, we should at least give them a chance to implement it and take the time to see if it has the potential to work before we automatically assume that they are wrong and, therefore, must be stupid. Instead of being "anti-fans", IMHO, Bills fans need to set their grudges against TD and need for instant gratification aside and give Levy and DJ some time to implement their plan--which is obviously different from that which TD was following--and an opportunity to demonstrate whether it has a chance of succeeding first before automatically condemning every move that the Bills make and assuming that everyone who works for them is a stupid idiot. You don't have to like the fact that they may be doing things differently than you would have them do those things, but give them a chance--jeez, this team hasn't even had a chance to put on the pads yet and most of us don't even know what kind of offense they are going to be running yet.....!

[ICE74129]

Re: F Jackson the #2 RB?

[quote=LifetimeBillsFan]I think the author of that was just speculating based on Jackson's performance in NFLE and the fact that Jackson graduated from the same school that Levy went to and coached at.

In the article on the Galaxy winning the World Bowl on BB.com, John Guy is quoted as saying the following about Jackson and his chances to make the Bills:

"On Fred Jackson’s chances to make team:

It’s going to be very difficult for him. He had good season in the NFL Europe, but he’s missing that extra gear right now when he gets into the open field. He’s got to work on that if he wants to have a chance."
URL: http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=3793



Coming from Guy, who just might know a bit more about the Bills and the qualities of their players than the guy who wrote the article for msn.foxsports, that doesn't sound like the Bills are about to hand Jackson the # 2 spot on the depth chart at RB at this point."


Ok help me out here. John Guy says he doesn't have that extra gear,but I see this kid rip off 50-80 yard runs.

You know John Guy has been around about as long as the Bills have been sucking. Maybe there is a theme that Marv needs to look at there.

[justasportsfan]

Re: F Jackson the #2 RB?

why the hell did we sign A train then?

I'm getting a little sick of Marv's career rehabilitation projects. Our roster is starting to look like a list of used car dealership franchisees.

Did you hit the panic botton again? relax, sheez. We're months away from regular season.

[ICE74129]

Re: F Jackson the #2 RB?

Did you hit the panic botton again? relax, sheez. We're months away from regular season.

People keep saying that. The offseason started in January, its now a day short of June. That means camp is in about 7-8 weeks. Now is the time to start really stepping up (actually the entire offseason for a team as crappy as the bills was the time to step up).

[justasportsfan]

Re: F Jackson the #2 RB?

People keep saying that. The offseason started in January, its now a day short of June. That means camp is in about 7-8 weeks. Now is the time to start really stepping up (actually the entire offseason for a team as crappy as the bills was the time to step up).

Did you say "camp"? Camp as in training camp where people win or lose their jobs?

You mean this isn't the final roster yet? Thanks for making my point.

[ICE74129]

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Did you say "camp"? Camp as in training camp where people win or lose their jobs?

You mean this isn't the final roster yet? Thanks for making my point.

Camp meaning where it is required by the CBA to attend...or else most of these idiots wouldn't.

And no camp isn't where you make the team. The entire offseason is where and how you make the team. Again yo prove my point about never being a good athlete. I am doubting you were ever an athlete in any capasity with what you post.

[justasportsfan]

Re: F Jackson the #2 RB?

Camp meaning where it is required by the CBA to attend...or else most of these idiots wouldn't.

And no camp isn't where you make the team. The entire offseason is where and how you make the team. Again yo prove my point about never being a good athlete. I am doubting you were ever an athlete in any capasity with what you post.

Haha! It's not my problem that you don't understand the difference between voluntary and mandatory camp.

As for your opinion about my not being an athlete, I was once played for the soccer national team in my former country. You know what national team means right? The best amongst the best chosen to represent the country.
You're not even the best amongst the best in pop warner coaching.

I haven't even mentioned the other sports that I've been in as a PROFESSIONAL that's more violent that football.

Ha! Pop warner coach thinks he knows an athlete based on a message board. What a joke You're stupidity based on your posts are making you look dumber than your posts already are.

By your logic , we should start that undrafted rookie DE over Schoebel because he was at VOLUNTARY camp. That's just stupid. Your stupid posts just proves anyone can be a pop warner coach.

[OpIv37]

Re: F Jackson the #2 RB?

IMHO, too many Bills fans have been so turned off by the way that TD ran things at OBD that they automatically assume than ANY move that anyone associated with the Bills makes now that does not initially make sense to them is automatically wrong, stupid or has been done without a reason behind it--especially if it is something that they, themselves, would not have done.!

there's a lot of the opposite going around too- people assuming that because what Marv is doing is different than what TD did, it's automatically an improvement. Different does not necessarily equal better.