Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

**ICE74129** · 06-07-2006, 02:04 PM

Re: Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

A couple of notes. First off yeah marv may be right other teams have this issue. Did you notice how many repeat teams in the playoffs the last 3 years? All of them had set starters that dont' 'Compete' for their QB jobs each year.

Next Chicago this last year. They went with a rookie and won about 10 games with him. Some vets *****ed, the brought back the original guy when healthy. They didn't improve and in fact got their asses kicked in the playoffs. You dance with the one that brung ya.

QB is the one position above all others you MUST have constant stability. I hope they get smart, name losman the starter and let him have this season. Then we can know if we need to go get a guy or not. but if it is losman, leave him alone and let him play.

**feelthepain** · 06-07-2006, 02:10 PM

Re: Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

Originally posted by ICE74129

If JP can't win the job for some reason, its time to cut bait and go get a guy va trade or Free agency this next offseason and put this situation that has plagued us for about 10 years now, to rest.

I think JP's biggest problem is his ability to use his head. He has all the physical tools, but he doesn't have the mentality to go with the tools. Thats also why I don't think his supporting cast is his problem. I think if JP doesn't have a breakout season this year he will not be in Bills uni next year. Remember TD selected him, tht doesn't speak well for the Bills pickup.

**OpIv37** · 06-07-2006, 02:12 PM

Re: Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

Originally posted by feelthepain

I think JP's biggest problem is his ability to use his head. He has all the physical tools, but he doesn't have the mentality to go with the tools. Thats also why I don't think his supporting cast is his problem. I think if JP doesn't have a breakout season this year he will not be in Bills uni next year.

I agree with one exception- he hasn't proven he has the mental ability yet. I'm still hoping he has it. Also, the OL sucked last year.

And you're right- if JP doesn't show us he's the guy this year, it will be time to cut him loose. I don't want to be like the Lions with Harrington, the Skins with Ramsey, or the Ravens with Boller: holding on to a lost cause for 4-5 years before giving up.

**ICE74129** · 06-07-2006, 02:15 PM

Re: Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

Originally posted by OpIv37

I agree with one exception- he hasn't proven he has the mental ability yet. I'm still hoping he has it. Also, the OL sucked last year.

And you're right- if JP doesn't show us he's the guy this year, it will be time to cut him loose. I don't want to be like the Lions with Harrington, the Skins with Ramsey, or the Ravens with Boller: holding on to a lost cause for 4-5 years before giving up.

Agreed BUT! But....We need to give him 16 games, hell or high water to get ANY idea of if this kid is going to be anything or not. He has a 4 int day, so what? Kelly had that before and still started. All QB's have up and down times. We must let him play out the season even if its 1-15. That is the only way you see if this kid has it or not. Even then just 24 starts is still pushing it to make a determination.

Give him the entire 06 season. If he crapps out, go get another starter. But even then, the guy starts no matter what.

**Drive 4 Five** · 06-07-2006, 05:27 PM

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I agree. Losman either is or isn't the man. To the abyss with Kelly Holcomb. Nall could be a diamond in the rough but this QB competition situation has now led me to believe that Levy and Jauron must lack faith in Losman. Coughlin did not hesitate in NY with Warner and Manning. He could see very quickly that the only way young Eli could improve was to play him. The same holds true for any young QB. So why in the hell are we wasting time? A starter absolutley must be declared before training camp begins. If one is not identified I think it spells big trouble for the dawn of the Jauron/Levy regime.

**feelthepain** · 06-07-2006, 06:56 PM

Re: Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

Originally posted by ICE74129

Agreed BUT! But....We need to give him 16 games, hell or high water to get ANY idea of if this kid is going to be anything or not. He has a 4 int day, so what? Kelly had that before and still started. All QB's have up and down times. We must let him play out the season even if its 1-15. That is the only way you see if this kid has it or not. Even then just 24 starts is still pushing it to make a determination.

Give him the entire 06 season. If he crapps out, go get another starter. But even then, the guy starts no matter what.

If JP starts week one he's done something right in the minds of the coaching staff and will have earned the right to start all 16 games. If he gets pulled at any point during the seasons it will be a bad sign. At this point it's too early to know where he stands with the Bills and time will tell if he's matured through the offseason. He is learning a whole new system, he may aswell be a rookie again, given how little he's played and how unfamilar he is with the new system. That won't help his cause.

**ICE74129** · 06-07-2006, 07:34 PM

Re: Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

Originally posted by Drive 4 Five

I agree. Losman either is or isn't the man. To the abyss with Kelly Holcomb. Nall could be a diamond in the rough but this QB competition situation has now led me to believe that Levy and Jauron must lack faith in Losman. Coughlin did not hesitate in NY with Warner and Manning. He could see very quickly that the only way young Eli could improve was to play him. The same holds true for any young QB. So why in the hell are we wasting time? A starter absolutley must be declared before training camp begins. If one is not identified I think it spells big trouble for the dawn of the Jauron/Levy regime.

Yeah but look who you are talking about. Ascorsi(sp) who is a great GM and Caughlin who is a strong HC. We are talking about 81 year old Marv that can't make a 1/2 time adjustment to save his arse and has NO GM exp, and Jauron whom no one but us wanted.

HUGE difference

**John Doe** · 06-07-2006, 07:47 PM

Re: Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

Marv's got it right: let them compete.

**feelthepain** · 06-07-2006, 08:51 PM

Re: Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

Originally posted by John Doe

Marv's got it right: let them compete.

I agree when there is no clear cut favorite.

**John Doe** · 06-07-2006, 09:07 PM

Re: Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

Originally posted by feelthepain

I agree when there is no clear cut favorite.

I think that there is no clear cut favorite. If there were a clear cut favorite then that favorite would stand out. Since there is no standout it is the best thing for the team to have a competition.

**YardRat** · 06-07-2006, 09:09 PM

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There is no clear-cut favorite right now...there will be before the season starts.

**Mr. Cynical** · 06-07-2006, 09:10 PM

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Good post ICE. I agree - the only time there is competition is when you know you have crap. And if that's the case here (which I can't see how with so little data on JP, but anyway) then we're already sunk.

Anything "by committee" in this league is almost always a recipe for disaster.

**John Doe** · 06-07-2006, 09:22 PM

Re: Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

Originally posted by Mr. Cynical

Good post ICE. I agree - the only time there is competition is when you know you have crap. And if that's the case here (which I can't see how with so little data on JP, but anyway) then we're already sunk.

Anything "by committee" in this league is almost always a recipe for disaster.

You can also have a competition when there are good players contending for the same position. It happens all the time.

**ibatiger** · 06-07-2006, 09:23 PM

Re: Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

Originally posted by Drive 4 Five

I agree. Losman either is or isn't the man. To the abyss with Kelly Holcomb. Nall could be a diamond in the rough but this QB competition situation has now led me to believe that Levy and Jauron must lack faith in Losman. Coughlin did not hesitate in NY with Warner and Manning. He could see very quickly that the only way young Eli could improve was to play him. The same holds true for any young QB. So why in the hell are we wasting time? A starter absolutley must be declared before training camp begins. If one is not identified I think it spells big trouble for the dawn of the Jauron/Levy regime.

There's no rush. Nall got the offense at least two months after Holcomb and Losman so he needs a little more time. Do you want to throw him under the bus before you know what he can do? Levy has no intention of letting that happen. There is no rush to name a starter. So what if it isn't until after the second or third preseason game? Better to make the right choice.

Playoff seeds
AFC	NFC
Indianapolis Colts (South winner)	Seattle Seahawks (West winner)
Denver Broncos (West winner)	Chicago Bears (North winner)
Cincinnati Bengals (North winner)	Tampa Bay Buccaneers (South winner)
New England Patriots (East winner)	New York Giants (East winner)
Jacksonville Jaguars	Carolina Panthers
Pittsburgh Steelers	Washington Redskins

Playoff seeds
Seed	AFC	NFC
1	Pittsburgh Steelers (North winner)	Philadelphia Eagles (East winner)
2	New England Patriots (East winner)	Atlanta Falcons (South winner)
3	Indianapolis Colts (South winner)	Green Bay Packers (North winner)
4	San Diego Chargers (West winner)	Seattle Seahawks (West winner)
5	New York Jets	St. Louis Rams
6	Denver Broncos	Minnesota Vikings

Playoff seeds
AFC	NFC
New England Patriots (East winner)	Philadelphia Eagles (East winner)
Kansas City Chiefs (West winner)	St. Louis Rams (West winner)
Indianapolis Colts (South winner)	Carolina Panthers (South winner)
Baltimore Ravens (North winner)	Green Bay Packers (North winner)
Tennessee Titans	Seattle Seahawks
Denver Broncos	Dallas Cowboys

Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

Looking at playoff teams, we need to pick a QB.

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