Losman looking forward

[Mitchy moo]

Heading into to the offseason following the 2005 campaign J.P. Losman needed some time to refresh himself mentally. He stepped away from the game that all but consumed his life for the better part of a calendar year and reconnected with family and friends.

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=3835

[ICE74129]

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"But Losman is past that and does feel the competition that Jauron has created has only helped his standing in the locker room.
"This year people definitely respect that I'm competing," said Losman. "Everyone on this team is competing. Everyone respects that more because I myself respect that more too."

So do indy players resent the fact Payton never competed for his job and still doesn't? how about Palmer in Cinci, Favre in GB, Rothlesburger in Pitt...obviously I can go on here.

It seems to me the only ones in the NFL with a major problem is the Tom donahoe built Bills and the 'Me me me' Veterans he brought in.

Only in Buffalo has this issue made so much news. when Eli was annointed there was a little blip on the radar before Caughlin put a very quick end to it. our whole problem is weak Bills coaches that can't say 'He is the starter, deal with it'.

[Mitchy moo]

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"But Losman is past that and does feel the competition that Jauron has created has only helped his standing in the locker room.
"This year people definitely respect that I'm competing," said Losman. "Everyone on this team is competing. Everyone respects that more because I myself respect that more too."

So do indy players resent the fact Payton never competed for his job and still doesn't? how about Palmer in Cinci, Favre in GB, Rothlesburger in Pitt...obviously I can go on here.

It seems to me the only ones in the NFL with a major problem is the Tom donahoe built Bills and the 'Me me me' Veterans he brought in.

Only in Buffalo has this issue made so much news. when Eli was annointed there was a little blip on the radar before Caughlin put a very quick end to it. our whole problem is weak Bills coaches that can't say 'He is the starter, deal with it'.

In a nutshell w/ the old management crew, the tail wagged the dog. Not now, that will be the difference this year. Marv is too old & crabby to listen to people complain, he & Dick will squash dissenting member's coins very quickly.

[ICE74129]

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In a nutshell w/ the old management crew, the tail wagged the dog. Not now, that will be the difference this year. Marv is too old & crabby to listen to people complain, he & Dick will squash dissenting member's coins very quickly.

Then name losman the starter and stop the competition that we all know is Bull ****. its a dog and pony show for the vets and media. if DJ and Marv really had balls they would just say 'The job is losmans' and be done with it.

[FlyingDutchman]

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"But Losman is past that and does feel the competition that Jauron has created has only helped his standing in the locker room.
"This year people definitely respect that I'm competing," said Losman. "Everyone on this team is competing. Everyone respects that more because I myself respect that more too."

So do indy players resent the fact Payton never competed for his job and still doesn't? how about Palmer in Cinci, Favre in GB, Rothlesburger in Pitt...obviously I can go on here.

Palmer was a high draft pick, heisman winner, who eventually beat out Kitna in camp. Payton was the top QB in the draft and was given the reigns of a terrible team, and they couldnt have gotten any worse. All Rothlesberger did was take over for an injured Maddox and never lost a game. You could say youre never supposed to lose your job to injury, but come on. I wouldnt compare these guys to Losman.

[patmoran2006]

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JP aint being annoited ANYTHING if he was he'd be taken 80% of the reps in all the OTA and mini camps.

If he starts, he's going to EARN it.. It's a very simple concept, shouldn't be that hard to understand.

[patmoran2006]

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And some people need to quit over analyzing, thinking that we've already named JP the starter and we're keeping it a big secret.. like our division rivals are ****ting themselves worrying about who our starter really is.

[ICE74129]

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Palmer was a high draft pick, heisman winner, who eventually beat out Kitna in camp. Payton was the top QB in the draft and was given the reigns of a terrible team, and they couldnt have gotten any worse. All Rothlesberger did was take over for an injured Maddox and never lost a game. You could say youre never supposed to lose your job to injury, but come on. I wouldnt compare these guys to Losman.

Put losman on any of those teams with any of those coaches and see how quickly he becomes a great QB. Take ANY of those QB's and put them on the Bills of last year and see how quickly they fail.

Losman was going first round to either GB or Stl if we didn't take him, so bottom line he is a first round talent. first over all pick or 20 something doesn't matter.

[ublinkwescore]

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Put losman on any of those teams with any of those coaches and see how quickly he becomes a great QB. Take ANY of those QB's and put them on the Bills of last year and see how quickly they fail.

Losman was going first round to either GB or Stl if we didn't take him, so bottom line he is a first round talent. first over all pick or 20 something doesn't matter.

That was BEAUTIFUL.

I couldn't agree more. I've stated it a hundred times already - when Losman has had time from the O-line, he's looked absolutely brilliant - until the coaching staff changed modes and got away from what was working (see the Miami game).

He looked crappy most of the games he's played in because he didn't get time from the line in any more than three games - KC, Houston and Miami.

[ICE74129]

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That was BEAUTIFUL.

I couldn't agree more. I've stated it a hundred times already - when Losman has had time from the O-line, he's looked absolutely brilliant - until the coaching staff changed modes and got away from what was working (see the Miami game).

He looked crappy most of the games he's played in because he didn't get time from the line in any more than three games - KC, Houston and Miami.

See I don't get why losman haters can't see that. Young QB in his first year starting on a crap team. Holcomb, Manning, Elway, Montana....it wouldn't matter, this TEAM SUCKED last year. The coaching sucked, the players sucked, the owner sucked, the GM sucked....the whole thing sucked.

But if you listen to a dummy or two, its all on losman and he won't amount to anything.

Switch it and put JP on the Steelers the last two years, they still win the superbowl last year. Rothlesburger here? Fans would be screaming 'another Tom Donahoe bust' By now.

[Mudflap1]

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And how do you know this?

Look, I like Losman, I'm all for him winning the starting job and being a good quarterback. I also agree that the Buffalo Bills as a team stunk up the joint last year.

However, I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face, comparisions to Palmer, the Mannings, etc. are worthless. There IS a difference between a late first round pick and a #1 overall pick, or top 5 pick. Those guys get more slack because they are being paid more money. They are being paid more money because they are the top player taken out of the entire draft, which means they have the most potential and the highest skill. Being paid more money means the coaches and management tailoring the team around you more. The later you are taken, the less latitude you are given. That's life.

Pat's right, and he is saying the same thing I am. Losman wins the job based upon him being better than Holcomb or Nall. It's not a hard concept, and I have no problem with that.

You know who else I'm 99.9% sure probably agrees with this logic? J.P. Losman. That's right. If he wants to be respected (as this article talks about), he has to earn it. Sounds like he's doing better this year because of it.

Leave the kid alone and stop making excuses for him. If he's got it, he'll show us.

One final note, J.P. Losman and "brilliant" should not be used in the same sentence describing last season. Did he have moments where he showed potential and made good passes like he's capable of and what he's paid for? Yes. Was he brilliant? Not even close. Joe Montana was brilliant. Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Brett Favre, brilliant.

Stop coddling the kid and let him earn the job outright.

Jon

[The_Philster]

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One problem with that idea that the top draft picks are more talented and have more potential....there are plenty of players drafted high that didn't amount to anything.
Some examples
#1 overall

1992	Steve Emtman, dt

1988	Aundray Bruce, lb

1972	Walt Patulski, dt

#2 overall

1998	Ryan Leaf, qb

1993	Rick Mirer, qb

1990	Blair Thomas, rb

1989	Tony Manderich, ot

Since they were drafted so high, they must've had HOF careers, right?
The draft is a crap shoot...pure and simple. The only thing that drafting early gets you is more selection.

[acehole]

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Then name losman the starter and stop the competition that we all know is Bull ****. its a dog and pony show for the vets and media. if DJ and Marv really had balls they would just say 'The job is losmans' and be done with it.

I thinks they (coaches) know this....but want to wait to annouce it. Reason?
To keep him working hard and remain humble. Build his confidence......and give it to him by second pre-season....he still needs to set himself apart a bit....I don't think you can do it until we see him again in preseaon with his new toys in the new scheme.

My 2 cents...

[ICE74129]

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And how do you know this?

Look, I like Losman, I'm all for him winning the starting job and being a good quarterback. I also agree that the Buffalo Bills as a team stunk up the joint last year.

However, I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face, comparisions to Palmer, the Mannings, etc. are worthless. There IS a difference between a late first round pick and a #1 overall pick, or top 5 pick. Those guys get more slack because they are being paid more money. They are being paid more money because they are the top player taken out of the entire draft, which means they have the most potential and the highest skill. Being paid more money means the coaches and management tailoring the team around you more. The later you are taken, the less latitude you are given. That's life.

Pat's right, and he is saying the same thing I am. Losman wins the job based upon him being better than Holcomb or Nall. It's not a hard concept, and I have no problem with that.

You know who else I'm 99.9% sure probably agrees with this logic? J.P. Losman. That's right. If he wants to be respected (as this article talks about), he has to earn it. Sounds like he's doing better this year because of it.

Leave the kid alone and stop making excuses for him. If he's got it, he'll show us.

One final note, J.P. Losman and "brilliant" should not be used in the same sentence describing last season. Did he have moments where he showed potential and made good passes like he's capable of and what he's paid for? Yes. Was he brilliant? Not even close. Joe Montana was brilliant. Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Brett Favre, brilliant.

Stop coddling the kid and let him earn the job outright.

Jon

First of all saying you agree with pat moron ends just about any discussion right there.

And Yes I KNOW that if losman were on the steelers and BR Was here things would be totally different for both QB's.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

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That was BEAUTIFUL.

I couldn't agree more. I've stated it a hundred times already - when Losman has had time from the O-line, he's looked absolutely brilliant - until the coaching staff changed modes and got away from what was working (see the Miami game).

He looked crappy most of the games he's played in because he didn't get time from the line in any more than three games - KC, Houston and Miami.

Holy Crap I just thanked a Ublinkwescore post. a sure sighn of the apocolypse!