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Seems like a simple question yes? Ok, Peyton Manning at his best, JP last year. Who is better?
Marino saw one superbowl in his 2nd year and at his BEST, never sniffed one again.
Peyton is nearly peaking right now, still hasn't sniffed one.
Where am I going with this? Look at EVERY team to make it to, or win a superbowl. the TEAMS were damn good. Many GREAT QB's never succeeded even getting there and some (Jim Kelly) never won it. Why? the TEAMS werent good enough, even though the QB was.
But at ton of you rip on JP. See the damn media has pushed this so much thats all some of you can spew. 'You only go as far as the QB takes you'. Really? Tell the Ravens that.
Kurt Warner. Talk about God Blessing you!. Arena ball guy, out of football sacking groceries at some market some where. played World league ball, Booted from the Green Bay roster. Trent Green gets hurt, he steps into the best situation in football. Great OL, the best back in football, all pro WR corp, Damn good defense, great coaching. Slinging the ball in a system most havent seen thanks to martz genius (and yeah as an OC for awhile he was a genius). Teams then catch on, St. Louis loses a ton of talent, Warner is gone. Went to a lesser team (NYG) and sucked. Now he is in arizona for about 1 more season till they hand the reigns to lienart.
Is warner the story of a great QB gone south, or an above average QB on a great team. Its the latter.
Fans are pissed, and so were some self centered veterans, that JP apperantly cost this great team a playoff spot. NFLN, ESPN, CBS, FOX Everyone said we were the next 'Pittsburgh'. Great Defense, Great running game blah blah blah. All JP had to do was 'manage' the game. Thats great, except for one thing...the team SUCKED! We went 9-7 against crap teams in 04 and everyone knew it. But fans said 'Hey, so what? we cant control who we play'. Some of us said 'yeah but we got our asses kicked against pittsburghs BACKUPS And it will bite us at some point'. Guess what? We got bit in 05. Further proof of that statement? How many veterans were cut this offseason or just allowed to walk? right there is your answer.
JP Losman is a damn good kid, and a damn good talent. Had he been drafted by a team with thier **** together, he would be doing just fine by now. But instead he is still ripped by fans not smart enough, nor adult enough, to be willing to say...'I fell for it'. I fell for the Tom Donahoe BS. It never was good enough. From day one TD picked wrong coaches, wrong players etc. He went for moves to put butts in the seats instead of winning football. I guess he forgot that WINNING above all else sells tickets. And now he is out of a job.
Bottom line on this and its FACT, and nothing will change it, Unless this TEAM gets better, I don't give a damn if we had Peyton manning, Palmer, Brees, Cullpepper, Delhome, or whomever, it just won't matter. ANY QB playing from behind most of the game, loses more often than not. ANY QB with no protection fails. ANY QB with crap playcalling that causes the offense to lose faith in the OC Fails. Am I saying we dont' need talent? No, JP Needs to be the guy because guys like Holcomb, etc are backups for a reason. You must still have some talent at the QB position. What I am saying is the TEAM is the thing.
So get off of JP's back and let the kid have this season to see what HE can do. He needs the reps, no getting around that. No QB succeeds without them. But unless Marv and DJ can get the team shored up, all thats going to happen is in about 08 or so, some other team may get themselfs a hell of a QB...and the Bills will be even further behind.
Marino saw one superbowl in his 2nd year and at his BEST, never sniffed one again.
Peyton is nearly peaking right now, still hasn't sniffed one.
Where am I going with this? Look at EVERY team to make it to, or win a superbowl. the TEAMS were damn good. Many GREAT QB's never succeeded even getting there and some (Jim Kelly) never won it. Why? the TEAMS werent good enough, even though the QB was.
But at ton of you rip on JP. See the damn media has pushed this so much thats all some of you can spew. 'You only go as far as the QB takes you'. Really? Tell the Ravens that.
Kurt Warner. Talk about God Blessing you!. Arena ball guy, out of football sacking groceries at some market some where. played World league ball, Booted from the Green Bay roster. Trent Green gets hurt, he steps into the best situation in football. Great OL, the best back in football, all pro WR corp, Damn good defense, great coaching. Slinging the ball in a system most havent seen thanks to martz genius (and yeah as an OC for awhile he was a genius). Teams then catch on, St. Louis loses a ton of talent, Warner is gone. Went to a lesser team (NYG) and sucked. Now he is in arizona for about 1 more season till they hand the reigns to lienart.
Is warner the story of a great QB gone south, or an above average QB on a great team. Its the latter.
Fans are pissed, and so were some self centered veterans, that JP apperantly cost this great team a playoff spot. NFLN, ESPN, CBS, FOX Everyone said we were the next 'Pittsburgh'. Great Defense, Great running game blah blah blah. All JP had to do was 'manage' the game. Thats great, except for one thing...the team SUCKED! We went 9-7 against crap teams in 04 and everyone knew it. But fans said 'Hey, so what? we cant control who we play'. Some of us said 'yeah but we got our asses kicked against pittsburghs BACKUPS And it will bite us at some point'. Guess what? We got bit in 05. Further proof of that statement? How many veterans were cut this offseason or just allowed to walk? right there is your answer.
JP Losman is a damn good kid, and a damn good talent. Had he been drafted by a team with thier **** together, he would be doing just fine by now. But instead he is still ripped by fans not smart enough, nor adult enough, to be willing to say...'I fell for it'. I fell for the Tom Donahoe BS. It never was good enough. From day one TD picked wrong coaches, wrong players etc. He went for moves to put butts in the seats instead of winning football. I guess he forgot that WINNING above all else sells tickets. And now he is out of a job.
Bottom line on this and its FACT, and nothing will change it, Unless this TEAM gets better, I don't give a damn if we had Peyton manning, Palmer, Brees, Cullpepper, Delhome, or whomever, it just won't matter. ANY QB playing from behind most of the game, loses more often than not. ANY QB with no protection fails. ANY QB with crap playcalling that causes the offense to lose faith in the OC Fails. Am I saying we dont' need talent? No, JP Needs to be the guy because guys like Holcomb, etc are backups for a reason. You must still have some talent at the QB position. What I am saying is the TEAM is the thing.
So get off of JP's back and let the kid have this season to see what HE can do. He needs the reps, no getting around that. No QB succeeds without them. But unless Marv and DJ can get the team shored up, all thats going to happen is in about 08 or so, some other team may get themselfs a hell of a QB...and the Bills will be even further behind.
Cheers!
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