Is JP a bust?

[LtBillsFan66]

It looks like it's heading that way. I hope I'm wrong!

[DraftBoy]

Hard to say only 8 games started, he needs at least another 8 and even then another team will give him a shot, maybe.

[Philagape]

#3. Still way too early to ask.

What did you expect to see in one week of camp? How much experience has he gained between December and now? Is supposed to magically leap into his prime before the season starts?

[OpIv37]

I give JP this year. If he doesn't look like a starting NFL QB by the end of this season, he's a bust- cut his ass.

But I'm still hoping he pulls it out. I don't want to start the QB search over.

[Bulldog]

Judge the last 78 QB's drafted after their first eight starts and let me know how thier numbers look. People need to give this stuff a rest already.

[Ron Burgundy]

Of course he's a bust. He's a third year former first round pick with no NFL credentials.

Hopefully he can turn it around and make something of his career, but it's already too late to have this argument.

[blackonyx89]

JP isn't a bust.!If you put him in a better NFL coaching system that caters to his abilities and give a decent line ,he can flourish. If he's a bust it's the Bills fault. He'll go to another team and be a decent player. I must admit,Buffalo Bills have always let go players and they become sucesses elsewhere. Not recently,but it has happened. I want him to succeed here!!!! 'Nuf said.

[Patrick76777]

I still don't understand the argument that he needs a whole season!

If this guy is has a comp % of under 50 and is averaging less then 100 yards a game and we're 0-7 at the bye he's done! And maybe even by week 5.

And I don't care that we've already wasted 7 weeks, or that we will hurt our draft stock. Nobody wants to be embarrassed. If this comes about, we need to make the change


On the other hand, if he's showing LEGITIMENT improvements I'm ok with giving him more time. But this idea that he should get 16 full games regardless of how poorly he plays doesn't jive with me.

[Earthquake Enyart]

What if we give him all 16 games and he still blows?

Do we give him another year?

[DraftBoy]

I still don't understand the argument that he needs a whole season!

If this guy is has a comp % of under 50 and is averaging less then 100 yards a game and we're 0-7 at the bye he's done! And maybe even by week 5.

And I don't care that we've already wasted 7 weeks, or that we will hurt our draft stock. Nobody wants to be embarrassed. If this comes about, we need to make the change


On the other hand, if he's showing LEGITIMENT improvements I'm ok with giving him more time. But this idea that he should get 16 full games regardless of how poorly he plays doesn't jive with me.

This is pretty much my argument also. Ill give him till week 8 if he's not showing anything at all then its time to see what else we have even if that means Nall Ball.

[DraftBoy]

What if we give him all 16 games and he still blows?

Do we give him another year?


Hell no

[Jan Reimers]

You can't label any young QB a bust after 8 starts. I don't want to get ugly, but I would say anyone that would call JP a bust at this point in his career doesn't know - or hasn't followed - football very much.

[OpIv37]

I still don't understand the argument that he needs a whole season!

If this guy is has a comp % of under 50 and is averaging less then 100 yards a game and we're 0-7 at the bye he's done! And maybe even by week 5.

And I don't care that we've already wasted 7 weeks, or that we will hurt our draft stock. Nobody wants to be embarrassed. If this comes about, we need to make the change


On the other hand, if he's showing LEGITIMENT improvements I'm ok with giving him more time. But this idea that he should get 16 full games regardless of how poorly he plays doesn't jive with me.

If we're 0-7 playoffs are out of the picture- who cares if we lose more games if it means we can find out if our QB is good enough? We can either miss the playoffs with Holcomb and learn nothing, or miss the playoffs with JP and find out whether or not he's a bust.

QB is not your average position- it takes experience to succeed and improve. If we're already out of the playoffs, why deprive JP of that experience and deprive the team the opportunity to find out where we truly stand at the QB position?

[Earthquake Enyart]

True. All those starts really helped the Lions and Joey Harrington.

[Crisis]

I still don't understand the argument that he needs a whole season!

If this guy is has a comp % of under 50 and is averaging less then 100 yards a game and we're 0-7 at the bye he's done! And maybe even by week 5.

And I don't care that we've already wasted 7 weeks, or that we will hurt our draft stock. Nobody wants to be embarrassed. If this comes about, we need to make the change


On the other hand, if he's showing LEGITIMENT improvements I'm ok with giving him more time. But this idea that he should get 16 full games regardless of how poorly he plays doesn't jive with me.

Carson Palmer?

Eli Manning?

[DraftBoy]

If we're 0-7 playoffs are out of the picture- who cares if we lose more games if it means we can find out if our QB is good enough? We can either miss the playoffs with Holcomb and learn nothing, or miss the playoffs with JP and find out whether or not he's a bust.

QB is not your average position- it takes experience to succeed and improve. If we're already out of the playoffs, why deprive JP of that experience and deprive the team the opportunity to find out where we truly stand at the QB position?


I disagree, if we are 0-7 going into the bye I would have ahard time believing that Nall shouldnt get atleast a start to see what he's got.

[OpIv37]

Carson Palmer?

Eli Manning?

Don't bother- he's anti-JP. You're not going to get through- whatever puts JP on the bench is what makes him happy.

[Iehoshua]

Take a look at this bust and his stats:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235197

Brees REGRESSED from '02 to '03. San Diego gave up on him, drafting Rivers. Is Brees a bust? I'd take him in Buffalo over Holcancer.

Now San Diego lost Brees and are gonna find out if they just set their own franchise backward if Rivers isn't the real deal.

[DraftBoy]

Carson Palmer?

Eli Manning?


They both had cmp pct under 50 and avg under a 100 yards passing, also began their careers 0-7?

[ublinkwescore]

What if we give him all 16 games and he still blows?

Do we give him another year?

I vote no to that.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Carson Palmer?

Eli Manning?
Joey Harrington?

Akili Smith?

Couch?

McNown?

They got better and better.

[DraftBoy]

Take a look at this bust and his stats:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235197

Brees REGRESSED from '02 to '03. San Diego gave up on him, drafting Rivers. Is Brees a bust? I'd take him in Buffalo over Holcancer.

Now they lost Brees and are gonna find out if they just set their own franchise backward.


Sometimes a backward movement is needed to exceed further in the future.

[Crisis]

I don't understand the point of giving a losing team to a never-was career back-up journeyman QB who has no future with the team.

[Patrick76777]

If we're 0-7 playoffs are out of the picture- who cares if we lose more games if it means we can find out if our QB is good enough? We can either miss the playoffs with Holcomb and learn nothing, or miss the playoffs with JP and find out whether or not he's a bust.

QB is not your average position- it takes experience to succeed and improve. If we're already out of the playoffs, why deprive JP of that experience and deprive the team the opportunity to find out where we truly stand at the QB position?
It’s not only about the playoffs. Sticking with a QB playing that bad is so bad for

a. the other players
b. the coaches
c. the management
d. Bills fans (not JP fans)

Plus we’d be the full out laughing stock of the league. If after 7 games (15 total) he’s putting up those terrible numbers, it’s time to give Nall or Holcomb a shot.

[Crisis]

They both had cmp pct under 50 and avg under a 100 yards passing, also began their careers 0-7?

Has Losman?

[DraftBoy]

I don't understand the point of giving a losing team to a never-was career back-up journeyman QB who has no future with the team.

Well thats why you can always give it to Nall, who is still young, and unproven but learned for years behind one of the best ever in the game in Favre.

[Iehoshua]

Sometimes a backward movement is needed to exceed further in the future.
My point exactly.

San Diego had a guy like Patrick or EE running their team so they gave up on him too quick and now they lost him.

Sucks to be them!

[Crisis]

Joey Harrington?

Akili Smith?

Couch?

McNown?

They got better and better.

The thing is, we'll never know if we don't give him a full season.

I'd hate to never give the kid a chance just to cut him and have him tear the league up somewhere else.

[DraftBoy]

Has Losman?


Everything except avg under 100yds throwing a game

cmp att yds % ypa lng td int sack rating
2005 113 228 1340 49.6 5.88 58 8 8 26 64.9
Career 116 233 1372 49.8 5.89 58 8 9 27 63.5

[justasportsfan]

If we're 0-7 playoffs are out of the picture- who cares if we lose more games if it means we can find out if our QB is good enough? We can either miss the playoffs with Holcomb and learn nothing, or miss the playoffs with JP and find out whether or not he's a bust.

QB is not your average position- it takes experience to succeed and improve. If we're already out of the playoffs, why deprive JP of that experience and deprive the team the opportunity to find out where we truly stand at the QB position?Maybe we can put in Nall and see what he can do. Maybe he's our future.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Everything except avg under 100yds throwing a game

cmp att yds % ypa lng td int sack rating
2005 113 228 1340 49.6 5.88 58 8 8 26 64.9
Career 116 233 1372 49.8 5.89 58 8 9 27 63.5

Joey Harrington

Career 54.7% 5.68 ypa 60 TD's 62 Ints 68.1 rating.

[OpIv37]

It’s not only about the playoffs. Sticking with a QB playing that bad is so bad for

a. the other players
b. the coaches
c. the management
d. Bills fans (not JP fans)

Plus we’d be the full out laughing stock of the league. If after 7 games (15 total) he’s putting up those terrible numbers, it’s time to give Nall or Holcomb a shot.

you think so? You think it's so bad for the team, the players and the fans to know if we have a QB or not? What you're proposing will result in either a) cutting Losman after the 06 season when he's only had 15 starts and starting the QB search over or b) going into '07 with the EXACT SAME QB question that we had in '05 and '06.

That sounds like it's great for the players, coaches, team and management :rolleyes:

I'm rooting for JP but I wouldn't consider myself a JP fan. I just want to see this team win and we're not going to do that until this QB situation is resolved. It won't be resolved by benching Losman for Holcomb.

[Patrick76777]

Don't bother- he's anti-JP. You're not going to get through- whatever puts JP on the bench is what makes him happy.


I want to give him a shot! What are you talking about. You know what I said, I shouldn't always have to repeat myself for you!

If he's terrible thru 7 games (15 total) we should give him the hook.

[OpIv37]

Maybe we can put in Nall and see what he can do. Maybe he's our future.

if it comes to the point where Losman has to be benched, that makes more sense than starting Holcomb. Holcomb is a great back-up but will never be our franchise QB. Even if he starts playing like Tom Brady he's on the downside of his career and will need to be replaced sooner rather than later.

I think it's unlikely that Nall is better than Losman but I would prefer to give him a shot and find out for sure rather than play Holcomb and get nowhere.

[OpIv37]

I want to give him a shot! What are you talking about. You know what I said, I shouldn't always have to repeat myself for you!

If he's terrible thru 7 games (15 total) we should give him the hook.

I could have sworn you said a while back that you think Holcomb gives this team a better chance than Losman. If you didn't say that, my apologies.

[THATHURMANATOR]

What if we give him all 16 games and he still blows?

Do we give him another year?
I say we give him 3 full seasons.

[djjimkelly]

how about this piece of **** QB he sucks ass.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/AikmTr00.htm

i guess they should have scrapped him after 5 games no maybe 10 hell 30 games in they SHOULD HAVE GIVEN UP

[lordofgun]

I say we give him 3 full seasons.
:bf1:

[THATHURMANATOR]

:dance:

[djjimkelly]

heres a guy who was total **** for 3 years after playing a career in canada. hes total ****ing JUNK.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MoonWa00.htm

[djjimkelly]

wow another piece of crap QB right here. they should have run him out of the league after his first 4 years!!!!!!


http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/YounSt00.htm

[Historian]

The only bust that is going to be associated with JP, is the bust they sculp for him in Canton.

:up:

[djjimkelly]

heres another QB that if bills was the ones to trade for him half this board would be organizing a parade. he also sucked to start.

and notice he has NEVER eclipsed 3500 yards in ANY NFL SEASON



http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/McNaSt00.htm

[Bill Cody]

He might not be bust quite yet but the plaster is getting prepared for his trip to Mount Bustmore.

[TigerJ]

Too soon to tell.

[Patrick76777]

I could have sworn you said a while back that you think Holcomb gives this team a better chance than Losman. If you didn't say that, my apologies.


This season I think Holcomb would do better. But I'm willing to give Losman his chance. But not 16 without a leash.


And I don't care who the coaches pick. They're the pros. I'm cool with what they decide.

[Earthquake Enyart]

heres another QB that if bills was the ones to trade for him half this board would be organizing a parade. he also sucked to start.

and notice he has NEVER eclipsed 3500 yards in ANY NFL SEASON



http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/McNaSt00.htm
You can't play this game with me.

For every Moon, Young, and McNabb there are 2 or three Heath Shulers, Akili Smiths, Cade McNowns, Harringtons, Mirers, Klinglers, and more.

[MTBillsFan]

Give him a year or two with a new OC who actually knows how to use his talent and then talk about him being a bust or not.
Give him a decent oline!
GO BILLS

[PromoTheRobot]

It looks like it's heading that way. I hope I'm wrong!
No you don't. You're PRAYING he's a bust! Why make a post like this if you don't secretly wish JP would fail? Just admit it. Don't keep your feelings bottled up, man.

PTR

[LtFinFan66]

Not yet.

[Michael82]

WORST THREAD EVER! :ill:

[jmb1099]

Everything except avg under 100yds throwing a game

cmp att yds % ypa lng td int sack rating
2005 113 228 1340 49.6 5.88 58 8 8 26 64.9
Career 116 233 1372 49.8 5.89 58 8 9 27 63.5
losman won some games so 0 and 7 doesn't work either. I don't want to get picky, but this is getting old.

[DraftBoy]

losman won some games so 0 and 7 doesn't work either. I don't want to get picky, but this is getting old.


I didnt post the record, bc it wasnt in his stats, so thats why I didnt include that.

[jmb1099]

This season I think Holcomb would do better. But I'm willing to give Losman his chance. But not 16 without a leash.


And I don't care who the coaches pick. They're the pros. I'm cool with what they decide.
if you're cool with what they decide than you won't mind losman having 16 games without a leash

[jmb1099]

I didnt post the record, bc it wasnt in his stats, so thats why I didnt include that.
I understand, but the original comment made included it so I was just pointing out the obvious. Anyone who knows anything knows that last year was a fiasco for the entire team and not just losman. Did he suck? You betcha but with all of the drama taking place from owner to water boy it is shocking. It was his first real year. I live in Giants land and they were calling for Eli's head the first year. I can't believe I'm even posting in this thread...

[LtBillsFan66]

WORST THREAD EVER! :ill:
:snicker:

[LtFinFan66]

and another:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BradTe00.htm

and another:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/TarkFr00.htm

and another:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/NamaJo00.htm