I almost want KH to win the job so.....

[Patrick76777]

.....I can see everyone on here lose control.


Hey, if Holcomb wins the job and we start 4-0, would you guys come around?

[ICE74129]

.....I can see everyone on here lose control.


Hey, if Holcomb wins the job and we start 4-0, would you guys come around?

No because we know 1) it wont ever happen and 2) it screws the future of this franchise.

Holcomb is a backup, Its a sad day when any Bills fan wants a career loser at backup to start for this team. Its obvious the standards for Bills football has been greatly lowered.

[patmoran2006]

My prediction UNFORTUNATELY is your 'almost' going to get your wish.

I really think Jauron is leaning towards him as the starter, at least early in the season. I know they been equal snaps and all, and it doesnt mean too much right now; but notice how EVERY PRACTICE HOLCOMB is always FIRST in line, even snaps or not.

God, I hope he dont start, he SUCKS

[Mitchy moo]

.....I can see everyone on here lose control.


Hey, if Holcomb wins the job and we start 4-0, would you guys come around?

We'll if Losman is hurt and we are 4-0, it's a wonderful life until we end up 4-12. KH was born to lose and no matter how good everyone will be around him, he'll **** it up regardless.

[DraftBoy]

.....I can see everyone on here lose control.


Hey, if Holcomb wins the job and we start 4-0, would you guys come around?

Im cheering for whoever the QB is but I find it hilarious that everybody says its impossible we could go 4-0 with KH at QB. Like the guy has never been a starter or won a game before. The bias of some people is incredible.

[THATHURMANATOR]

.....I can see everyone on here lose control.


Hey, if Holcomb wins the job and we start 4-0, would you guys come around?
I will support whoever is the starter. This new staff has a more objective look at the QBs as they didn't bring either to the team. I just want to win. I am hoping JP does come around though!

[The King]

If we go 1-0 I'd be psyched.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Pat, if we go 4-0 with Holcomb, we are surely doomed.

I can't believe you can't get that through your thick skull.

[ShadowHawk7]

.....I can see everyone on here lose control.


Hey, if Holcomb wins the job and we start 4-0, would you guys come around?
If we made playoffs w/ KH then I'd be satisfied. If not, call it a hell of a wasted season. Since it's unlikely we make playoffs w/ KH, why play him instead of JP who is supposedly an equal but one who has a MUCH higher cieling?

[ICE74129]

Im cheering for whoever the QB is but I find it hilarious that everybody says its impossible we could go 4-0 with KH at QB. Like the guy has never been a starter or won a game before. The bias of some people is incredible.

No he is a career loser. he is what he is. We will not go 4-0 with holcomb at the helm period. 1-3 is more like it.

[Mr. Cynical]

.....I can see everyone on here lose control.


Hey, if Holcomb wins the job and we start 4-0, would you guys come around?

What if Holcomb throws INTs and no TDs during each of those 4 wins, the D pitched shutouts and/or kept them under 10, scored off INTs, and the special teams were scoring with runbacks/FGs?

We can play this game forever.

Put another way, if Holcomb wins the job and we start 0-4, would you come around to saying this FO is incompetent for starting a bad QB and/or not getting someone in camp who was capable?

[LtBillsFan66]

What if Holcomb throws INTs and no TDs during each of those 4 wins, the D pitched shutouts and/or kept them under 10, scored off INTs, and the special teams were scoring with runbacks/FGs?

We can play this game forever.

Put another way, if Holcomb wins the job and we start 0-4, would you come around to saying this FO is incompetent for starting a bad QB and/or not getting someone in camp who was capable?
If JP starts, how bad does he have to do before you give in?

[ICE74129]

If JP starts, how bad does he have to do before you give in?

This next offseason. BIG difference in a guy JP's age that needs experience and a 33 year old with over 10 years and a career losing record with 3 teams.

[The_Philster]

Pat, if we go 4-0 with Holcomb, we are surely doomed.

I can't believe you can't get that through your thick skull.
If the Bills go 4-0 with Holcomb then I'm buying a lotto ticket because that'll be evidence that miracles can happen

[ICE74129]

If the Bills go 4-0 with Holcomb then I'm buying a lotto ticket because that'll be evidence that miracles can happen

:roflmao: :clap:

[TedMock]

I think like everybody else, I just want to stop losing! I'll concede that Holcomb falls into the "better chance to win now," but in my honest opinion, that means we go 5-11 with JP and 6-10 with KH. I'm being dead serious. Holcomb isn't at a level significant enough to make that drastic difference over a young QB. I think JP gets this season and we'll know in December whether we're drafting a QB. Yes, I said this season - meaning 16 games, unless he's just absolutely killing us each week. I know, he's 3 years in now, and people have said he's no longer got that "young qb" card in his pocket. Realistically, he misses virtually his entire rookie year and plays merry-go-round in his second which, by the way, sets a young QB BACK. I've always maintained that a young QB needs a year to learn, then needs a year to get better. Ben R. was allowed to become real good in year two because he was coddled by the best o-line and limited responsibility in his first season. He got the chance because the starter went down. The guy is now a good QB, but certainly not the norm. If Losman is 8 for 21 with 75 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INT's for the first few weeks, and he's getting adequate protection, then we have our answer. If's he's just about average (say 56% with 175 - 225 yards, a TD or two, and 1 or fewer INT's) the first few games, you keep him in. If he improves mentally (decision making, etc), his stats will naturally follow. First, the mental talent has to catch up with the physical talent, mental should eventally pass physical, then the physical talent chases the mental talent. If that happens we could potentially be looking at our QB for the next 10 years. So, yes, you start JP and you find out what you have.

[gr8slayer]

I dont care who starts right now. It would be nice to see Losman but I want wins no matter what. I dont care if Roscoe starts at QB for us as long as we win.

"Just win baby" - Al Davis

[ublinkwescore]

Regardless of who starts, I support them.

I'm a Bills fan, not a Losman fan (well, I would rather see Losman start - so I am a fan of Losman's, but no man is bigger than the team).

I'm not a Holcombe fan, but if he does end up being our starter, he's got my blessing. I still just hope that Losman comes around because if and when he does, this team will regain that competitive fire that we had in the early 90's - that same fire that I only see with a few players on this roster (Spikes, Evans, Jason Peters, and maybe even Youboty and even LOSMAN as well).

[ublinkwescore]

I dont care who starts right now. It would be nice to see Losman but I want wins no matter what. I dont care if Roscoe starts at QB for us as long as we win.

"Just win baby" - Al Davis

You must not have heard.

Al Davis's new motto is "Just Sue Baby!"

Al Davis is like the used car salesman of owners - I feel sorry for raiders fans because of him...
actually, I don't.

[Mr. Cynical]

If JP starts, how bad does he have to do before you give in?

Give in to what exactly? That JP is a bust? IMO he plays out the year no matter what. Why? Because of three reasons:

1. JP needs experience. Can't tell what he is and is not without play time.

2. KH has not been nor will ever be a capable starter in this league. He is a noodle armed, aging vet. His best days, if you can call them that, are behind him. He is not going to get better and will only get worse as his noodle arm deteriorates further.

3. We don't have another viable alternative on the bench, so may as well give JP every chance to step up this year. If he fails, then cut him and draft another in '07.

[jamze132]

.....I can see everyone on here lose control.


Hey, if Holcomb wins the job and we start 4-0, would you guys come around?
I doubt the majority of us will lose control if Kelly is awarded the starting position. We are still going to support whoever is under center. I have some faith in Levy and Jauron and will give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Michael82]

If the Bills go 4-0 with Holcomb then I'm buying a lotto ticket because that'll be evidence that miracles can happen
:lmao:


Good post!

[Mad Bomber]

No because we know 1) it wont ever happen and 2) it screws the future of this franchise.

Holcomb is a backup, Its a sad day when any Bills fan wants a career loser at backup to start for this team. Its obvious the standards for Bills football has been greatly lowered.

The question was "IF Holcomb started AND we went 4-0...."

IF that happened, I would be ecstatic, because as a Bills (not JP, not Holcomb, not Nall) fan, what I care about is the WINS.

Hell, if Marv could go in at QB and lead us to a 4-0 start I'b be happy.

[OpIv37]

.....I can see everyone on here lose control.


Hey, if Holcomb wins the job and we start 4-0, would you guys come around?


so, you want to see this franchise struggle for at least another 2-3 seasons while we find a QB?

Even if Holcomb wins the job and plays well, he's 33 and has limitations- he's not the long-term answer for this franchise. It's a short-term, unsustainable situation. I like him as a back-up, I hate him as a starter.

In addition, if Holcomb starts and JP sits, we go into '07 EXACTLY the same way we went into '05 and 06- without knowing if JP is capable of being an NFL starter. That is TERRIBLE for this team and it will mean that the FO will have gone 3 years without resolving the QB question. IMO that's pure incompetence.

If Holcomb starts and wins, I will enjoy the wins. But it's a house of cards that will come tumbling down sooner rather than later. Rooting for KH to start is rooting fo that to happen. At some point this franchise has to find the next Kelly- our Brady, our Peyton Manning- someone who can come in and lead us for a decade.

[OpIv37]

The question was "IF Holcomb started AND we went 4-0...."

IF that happened, I would be ecstatic, because as a Bills (not JP, not Holcomb, not Nall) fan, what I care about is the WINS.

Hell, if Marv could go in at QB and lead us to a 4-0 start I'b be happy.

ecstatic for the moment- it would be fun this season. But the offensive struggles will continue until we find a long-term answer at QB. Given KH's age and limitations, he's not the long-term answer.

Or, to put it another way, I'm not a Losman "fan" over a KH "fan"- I'm a Bills fan and I want this team to find a franchise QB. JP might be one- Kelly Holcomb is definitely not.

[Mad Bomber]

ecstatic for the moment- it would be fun this season. But the offensive struggles will continue until we find a long-term answer at QB. Given KH's age and limitations, he's not the long-term answer.

Or, to put it another way, I'm not a Losman "fan" over a KH "fan"- I'm a Bills fan and I want this team to find a franchise QB. JP might be one- Kelly Holcomb is definitely not.

Agreed.

No way that KH is the future of this franchise. He's a career backup who was brought in as a backup.

I can't say yet whether JP is a franchise QB, but he certainly has more potential than KH to be one.

We need to find out just what we have in him; this means giving him the chance. If he turns out to be a bust, then we need to GET a franchise QB.

[bledslow]

Give in to what exactly? That JP is a bust? IMO he plays out the year no matter what. Why? Because of three reasons:

1. JP needs experience. Can't tell what he is and is not without play time.

2. KH has not been nor will ever be a capable starter in this league. He is a noodle armed, aging vet. His best days, if you can call them that, are behind him. He is not going to get better and will only get worse as his noodle arm deteriorates further.

3. We don't have another viable alternative on the bench, so may as well give JP every chance to step up this year. If he fails, then cut him and draft another in '07.


Like i said the other day,kh is the next rich gannon. You can just see that he has developed IT. And his arm is strong enough. kh may have a supposed noodle arm,but loserman definately has a noodle brain.loserman is a dumb qb with a very low qb IQ. --with kh as the starter,there is a great chance of buf going 3-1 in the first 4 games,no worse then 2-2. with loserman as the starter,i can easily see buf going 0-4.

The receivers want kh to be the starter,how can they not?
I expect holcomb to be the starter for another 5 years,IF the coaches are smart that is. Right now,jp should be bagging groceries or washing dishes,or in gay porn. -

[Drive 4 Five]

I will support whoever is the starter. This new staff has a more objective look at the QBs as they didn't bring either to the team. I just want to win. I am hoping JP does come around though!

:up:

Amen brutha. I couldn't have said it better myself.

[bills_7]

If we go 4-0 w/ holcomb i will buy his jersey... then after the season get him to sign it and put it in a frame... and hang it on my wall next to my college dimploma..... NOT GONA HAPEN

If Holcomb starts i think i might puke.. as said the guy is joke, back up at best.. we are suposed to be building for the future.. right?

and the thing the really gets me... when Losman plays i feel like we can win any game... i dont knw why its almost the same feeling i got with flutie

[X-Era]

.....I can see everyone on here lose control.


Hey, if Holcomb wins the job and we start 4-0, would you guys come around?

4-0 would be a blip in the dataset. No I wouldnt come around knowing that we still wont get what we need from him.

I want long term sustainable success. Not Ravens-esque one and out crap being led by a junk vet like Dilfer or Holcomb.

[Iehoshua]

Like i said the other day,kh is the next rich gannon. You can just see that he has developed IT. And his arm is strong enough.
No way Holcomb is as mobile as Gannon nor will he ever be. Gannon's ability to scramble and his accuracy is what made him, not his arm strength. These are all tools Holcomb lacks.

Holcomb is the next Holcomb, period.

[Philagape]

Like i said the other day,kh is the next rich gannon. You can just see that he has developed IT. And his arm is strong enough. kh may have a supposed noodle arm,but loserman definately has a noodle brain.loserman is a dumb qb with a very low qb IQ. --with kh as the starter,there is a great chance of buf going 3-1 in the first 4 games,no worse then 2-2. with loserman as the starter,i can easily see buf going 0-4.

The receivers want kh to be the starter,how can they not?
I expect holcomb to be the starter for another 5 years,IF the coaches are smart that is. Right now,jp should be bagging groceries or washing dishes,or in gay porn. -

This post has a very low IQ.

Holcomb has developed IT? Is IT a five-yard pass on 3rd and 9? If so, you're right.

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