He may have the stronger Arm

[Patrick76777]

But I don’t think I’ve ever seen a QB with worse pocket presence.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

Since when are you a JP hater?

[Night Train]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

That's because he's not settling for a quick 2 yard 5 mph dump pass on 95 % of his attempts, like #10. Christ, half the posters here could do that.

I wish to see how Fairchild and a couple of ex NFL backups, Schonert and Van Pelt, shape Losman this season. We also have to see the OL grow with him.

Start him all season and let's see what we have, once and for all.

[Michael82]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

He's getting better at it.

[BidsJr]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

But I don’t think I’ve ever seen a QB with worse pocket presence.

RJ and Drew are two off the top of my head that have been on this team the last 5years.

[ICE74129]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

He's getting better at it.

Hey Mikey, isnt this now considered spam? The guy is just starting threads to piss other posters off. Its not just his opinion which would be fine, its beyond that.

[patmoran2006]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

RJ and Drew are two off the top of my head that have been on this team the last 5years.

Drew had GREAT pocket prescence.

The problem was no mobility and a horrid OL.

I dont think JP has the WORST pocket presence I've ever seen, but its REALLY REALLY bad right now. Hopefully more experience will help that, but I dont know.

I do know he has the physical tools.. He's been making some great throws in camp.. But that doesnt mean anything if you're rolling out and throwing tunnel-vision picks either.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

That's because he's not settling for a quick 2 yard 5 mph dump pass on 95 % of his attempts, like #10. Christ, half the posters here could do that.

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Half the posters on here may be able to do it but #7 can't.

[OpIv37]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

But I don’t think I’ve ever seen a QB with worse pocket presence.

you just don't get it do you? Pocket presence can come with experience that JP won't get sitting on the bench.

Like I said in another thread- we can take Holcomb's 110 yards a game knowing that it will ALWAYS be 110 yards a game, or we can take JP's 75 yard with the hope he'll eventually turn it into 275 yards.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

you just don't get it do you? Pocket presence can come with experience that JP won't get sitting on the bench.

Like I said in another thread- we can take Holcomb's 110 yards a game knowing that it will ALWAYS be 110 yards a game, or we can take JP's 75 yard with the hope he'll eventually turn it into 275 yards.

I can't believe I'm seeing this.

Pat is turning into a hater, while Op is sounding borderline optimistic.

WTF

[LtBillsFan66]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

What JP lacks is leadership. It's something you can see, even when watching on the tube. The body language, the respect from teammates, the way he's poised. It's not about being liked either. I remember Ruben Brown saying what an a-hole JK would be, but he didn't want to let JK down or get chewed out by him.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

Like I said in another thread- we can take Holcomb's 110 yards a game knowing that it will ALWAYS be 110 yards a game, or we can take JP's 75 yard with the hope he'll eventually turn it into 275 yards.

That's just showing hate for Holcomb. KH when he played in the majority of a game last year, ave. 215 yards a game. This is why I stick up for the crappy Holcomb. Bash KH to make JP look better.

[BillsFever21]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

I saw some pretty nice pocket presence on plays where he avoided the rush in a split second and made some positive yards out of it running or avoided the sack to throw the ball away.

Them are good instincts that isn't taught. You either have that or you don't. I remember numerous plays with him avoiding the rush and getting away from him to avoid the sack.

[BillsFever21]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

In Holcombs starts he averaged 185 yards a game. Not 215. That was on 28 attempts a game. That certaintly isn't anything special.

And when the average was about 6 yards an attempt it was literally about 6 yards every time.

Completing nothing but 5 yard passes doesn't score you points unless you have a great running game.

Big deal if you complete 5 passes for 30 yards on the play when the drives continue to get stalled and you punt.

Points are made by making big plays. Not 5 yards at a time where your drives are always 15 plays.

[BillsFever21]

Re: He may have the stronger Arm

Anybody can dump the ball off 2 yards away for a total of 5 yards if that's all they focus on like Holcomb. It doesn't score you points or win you game though. The evidence was his 1-4 finish to the season in his last 5 starts.

Not to mention he played a lot of cupcake teams and defenses. He didn't face on defense rated in the Top 10 last season.