Since when is a career backup given the starting nod based on age and seniority?

[lordofgun]

Jauron went on to say that the decision (to start Holcomb) was based on age and seniority.
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=3957


Give me a freaking break. You're going to start a career loser over a possible franchise QB because the career loser is older??? Someone needs to tell the Bills that old does not necessarily equal good. I know it's only the first preseason game, but this gives me a bad feeling about the coaching staff (of whom I have been supportive) and the upcoming season.

[shelby]

Marv, at 82, may feel it's unfair to discriminate against Holcomb due to his age.
:ill:

[Iehoshua]

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[theanswer74]

Its a QB competition. It wont be solved until atleast the 2nd preseason game. They both will get the chance to start. Its best for Losman fans that he doesnt play against Carolina on the road if you want him to win the job. Home against a weaker defense should win him the job.

Nall Ball!! 3rd preseason game starter.

[Philagape]

Old people suck.

[FlyingDutchman]

I think/hope this is all a ploy to make JP really earn this spot and earn the respect of his teammates.

[lordofgun]

I think/hope this is all a ploy to make JP really earn this spot and earn the respect of his teammates.
Me too!

[Dozerdog]

PANIC PANIC PANIC!!!!!!!!

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

I think/hope this is all a ploy to make JP really earn this spot and earn the respect of his teammates.

no. its a ploy to give me a dadgum cerebral hemorrhage.

[HHURRICANE]

I told you he was starting. Wait til Holcomb starts week 1. And you think you are annoyed now. I'm telling you that Jauron doesn't have a pair when it's comes to the QB situation.

[Nighthawk]

And the warts start to shine through! Jauron has made the first wrong decision and I think it's a pretty big one. We need to know what Losman can do against first team defenses, not the 2nd & 3rd teamers. We know what we have in Holcomb...a noodle arm that will do just enough to lose. Is anybody starting to hate Holcomb?

[BillyT92679]

It's starting the first preseason game. I don't read much of anything into this at all.

[The_Philster]

And the warts start to shine through! Jauron has made the first wrong decision and I think it's a pretty big one. We need to know what Losman can do against first team defenses, not the 2nd & 3rd teamers. We know what we have in Holcomb...a noodle arm that will do just enough to lose. Is anybody starting to hate Holcomb?Personally, I won't think of it as a big one until JP doesn't get the start against Cincy next week. I'd much rather have JP start each preseason game but if this QB competition is just a charade to appease some vets, I'll live with one start by the mediocre one...so long as it's only the one. JP gets the start next week and locks up the job.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

Personally, I won't think of it as a big one until JP doesn't get the start against Cincy next week. I'd much rather have JP start each preseason game but if this QB competition is just a charade to appease some vets, I'll live with one start by the mediocre one...so long as it's only the one. JP gets the start next week and locks up the job.

we can only hope!

[Dozerdog]

How hard is this to comprehend?


It's been well publicized that both JP, Holcomb, and even Nall would be given opportunities to win the starting job for the season. Nall got hurt so he's out of the running for a while.

This is all part of the process. Each guy will get equal time the first two games. If anything- a strong argument can be made that JP has the advantage of playing against weaker competition at home.

[dannyek71]

since the 2nd team will play more than the 1st, this will get JP more experience

[Dr. Lecter]

How hard is this to comprehend?


It's been well publicized that both JP, Holcomb, and even Nall would be given opportunities to win the starting job for the season. Nall got hurt so he's out of the running for a while.

This is all part of the process. Each guy will get equal time the first two games. If anything- a strong argument can be made that JP has the advantage of playing against weaker competition at home.

You are so silly.

It is time to panic. I bet JP gets 0 snaps in the pre-season. It is a conspiracy!

C'mon people. It is the first pre-season game. A game that means nothing. Relax.

[YardRat]

:roflmao:

[Michael82]

since the 2nd team will play more than the 1st, this will get JP more experience
Exactly! plus....we'll be there to watch JP Losman start the 2nd game. So that will be sweet! :jig:

[THATHURMANATOR]

Its just pre season.

[The Spaz]

Who cares it's the 1st preseason game...:shakeno:

[painpiljunkie]

I like that Losman is going up against the Panthers 2nd string D. I think he'll have a better chance of completing some passes and staying healthy while he gets some more real game experience.

I think going up against the Panthers 2nd team will give him a a second or two of extra time to set up in the pocket and take some pressure off the kid.

If he CAN complete some passes it should boost the kids confidence in his ability to move the ball with his arm and not his legs.

The Bills are so deep at WR that the kid should have some fun picking apart the Panthers 2nd team Defensive Backs.

[Michael82]

I like that Losman is going up against the Panthers 2nd string D. I think he'll have a better chance of completing some passes and staying healthy while he gets some more real game experience.

I think going up against the Panthers 2nd team will give him a a second or two of extra time to set up in the pocket and take some pressure off the kid.

If he CAN complete some passes it should boost the kids confidence in his ability to move the ball with his arm and not his legs.

The Bills are so deep at WR that the kid should have some fun picking apart the Panthers 2nd team Defensive Backs.
Good point! :up:

[BillsFever21]

I like that Losman is going up against the Panthers 2nd string D. I think he'll have a better chance of completing some passes and staying healthy while he gets some more real game experience.

I think going up against the Panthers 2nd team will give him a a second or two of extra time to set up in the pocket and take some pressure off the kid.

If he CAN complete some passes it should boost the kids confidence in his ability to move the ball with his arm and not his legs.

The Bills are so deep at WR that the kid should have some fun picking apart the Panthers 2nd team Defensive Backs.

You don't know how it will turn out. Most of the starters on Carolina already have their place on the team and are not in stupid competitions with old players who have never done anything in their career. They just wanna get through the game without being injuried.

It's the 2nd string players that will be trying harder to catch the attention of the coaches and others. Basically the same position that Holcomb should be in.

[BillsFever21]

Give me a freaking break. You're going to start a career loser over a possible franchise QB because the career loser is older??? Someone needs to tell the Bills that old does not necessarily equal good. I know it's only the first preseason game, but this gives me a bad feeling about the coaching staff (of whom I have been supportive) and the upcoming season.

Only a team like this would say they made a decision based on seniority.

Only a career proven loser like Jauron would give the nod to a career proven loser like Holcomb.

Only a coach that wasn't wanted by anybody else as their HC would give the nod to a QB who wasn't wanted by anybody else as their starting QB.

He says they are both gonna get reps with and against the first team? How's that gonna happen when he said Holcomb is gonna play into most of the 2nd quarter.

Holcomb is gonna be the starting QB. You midas well prepare for it now. Jauron is a loser who is afraid to take chances. He likes being safe. Holcomb's short passing attitude is safe. It's not effective but it's safe.

Giving a nod based on senority. I've never heard anything so stupid in my life.

Maybe Anthony Thomas should be the starting RB because he's older then Willis and has more senority in the league.

Either Jauron is full of crap and a huge liar or he is just that freaking stupid to say something like that.

This guy sucks and our team will be in worse shape after him and Marv are gone then it was when they got here if that's possible.

Both of these guys are in over their head and it's our team that will suffer for it. Here's to a happy merry freaking season.

[theanswer74]

You don't know how it will turn out. Most of the starters on Carolina already have their place on the team and are not in stupid competitions with old players who have never done anything in their career. They just wanna get through the game without being injuried.

It's the 2nd string players that will be trying harder to catch the attention of the coaches and others. Basically the same position that Holcomb should be in.

No way. The Panthers starters will be flying around. This is the 1st live action of the year in their home stadium. Plus, the old saying goes, if you play not to get injured, you will get injured.

Those guys want to force a couple 3 and outs and sit down. They dont want to get pushed around.

[painpiljunkie]

You don't know how it will turn out. Most of the starters on Carolina already have their place on the team and are not in stupid competitions with old players who have never done anything in their career. They just wanna get through the game without being injuried.

It's the 2nd string players that will be trying harder to catch the attention of the coaches and others. Basically the same position that Holcomb should be in.

Tell Julius Peppers, Maake Kemoeatu, Kris Jenkins, and Mike Rucker that Saturdays game is a walk through for them and they aren't supposed to be trying to rip Kelly Holcomb's face off.

At least try and pretend you have enough faith in JP (the guy you feel has earned the right to start the game) to be able to play against Carlinas guys that can't make the starting Defense.

[Night Train]

Old people suck.

Excellent. I just put on " My Generation " by The Who, even though I'm old . :up:

[patmoran2006]

I think/hope this is all a ploy to make JP really earn this spot and earn the respect of his teammates.

These "ploys" should've ended long ago.

This isnt a vote for Confidence for KH as much as an indictment on JP.
He looks BRUTAL and Holcomb looks no better.

I cant beleive Im saying this, but I CANT WAIT to see what Nall has. Because our other two QB's BLOW.. If these guys cant even look good in practice you think they will in a game???

[patmoran2006]

Only a team like this would say they made a decision based on seniority.

Only a career proven loser like Jauron would give the nod to a career proven loser like Holcomb.

Only a coach that wasn't wanted by anybody else as their HC would give the nod to a QB who wasn't wanted by anybody else as their starting QB.

He says they are both gonna get reps with and against the first team? How's that gonna happen when he said Holcomb is gonna play into most of the 2nd quarter.

Holcomb is gonna be the starting QB. You midas well prepare for it now. Jauron is a loser who is afraid to take chances. He likes being safe. Holcomb's short passing attitude is safe. It's not effective but it's safe.

Giving a nod based on senority. I've never heard anything so stupid in my life.

Maybe Anthony Thomas should be the starting RB because he's older then Willis and has more senority in the league.

Either Jauron is full of crap and a huge liar or he is just that freaking stupid to say something like that.

This guy sucks and our team will be in worse shape after him and Marv are gone then it was when they got here if that's possible.

Both of these guys are in over their head and it's our team that will suffer for it. Here's to a happy merry freaking season.

Sounds like you need to join my "first official I hate Dick Jauron thread"

[Dr. Lecter]

These "ploys" should've ended long ago.

This isnt a vote for Confidence for KH as much as an indictment on JP.
He looks BRUTAL and Holcomb looks no better.

I cant beleive Im saying this, but I CANT WAIT to see what Nall has. Because our other two QB's BLOW.. If these guys cant even look good in practice you think they will in a game???

Some players are crappy practice players (see Kelly, Jim).

Are you saying Mikey and guys like Chris Brown are wrong in their evaluations?

[Patrick76777]

How hard is this to comprehend?


It's been well publicized that both JP, Holcomb, and even Nall would be given opportunities to win the starting job for the season. Nall got hurt so he's out of the running for a while.

This is all part of the process. Each guy will get equal time the first two games. If anything- a strong argument can be made that JP has the advantage of playing against weaker competition at home.


Dozer's right, AGAIN! There's no story here. At all. Dick wants both guys to get a start, He needed an arbitrary way to pick the first guy to start, he went with age. JP will start game 2.

Conspiracy guys will never believe this, I don’t care.


BTW, Holcomb and JP are both terrible QB’s. Let’s get Nall back out there.

[BillsFever21]

Sounds like you need to join my "first official I hate Dick Jauron thread"

I've hated Jauron way before yesterday. I thought he was a joke in Chicago.

He had one good season when the rest of the NFC East was absolutely pathetic and their other games were some of the worst teams in the league too. They had one of the easiest schedules in the league that year.

They didn't go 13-3 because Jauron was an amazing coach. They had some lucky bounces and they played terrible teams with their easy schedule. Chicago wasn't a good team but they were an average team and better then the rest of the scrubs. They had some favorable bounces in a lot of games and pulled out close victories against a bunch of scrubs.

Every year you have a team like this(especially before they changed the schedule format) that they have a cupcake schedule and they end up with a better record then their team really is. In the playoffs they suck and show their true colors and then the next season why they have a tougher schedule they suck again.

It was similar to our team in 2004 down the stretch. We played the worst teams in the league and most of them were playing their worse football they had played all year and we were playing our best. We beat up on some cupcakes and some people thought our team was better then we were because of it. Many thought Mularkey was an up and coming coach because of this. The following year Mularkey and our team proved that we wern't that good after we played some real teams. Same situation as Jauron.

Every other year besides that one the Bears were terrible and a complete joke. Two years after Jauron is gone Lovie Smith has turned his mess around into a competitive team.

Every year you have a team that looks better then they are because of an easy schedule. The Bears were that team that season. Jauron is a bad coach and will prove it once again just like 4 out of the 5 years in Chicago and he will prove why nobody else would even give him an interview even with all the head coaching positions.

[ibatiger]

Personally, I won't think of it as a big one until JP doesn't get the start against Cincy next week. I'd much rather have JP start each preseason game but if this QB competition is just a charade to appease some vets, I'll live with one start by the mediocre one...so long as it's only the one. JP gets the start next week and locks up the job.

If Nall has a good week of practice you might very well see Nall start next week. Not likely, since Jauron has already said he will flip flop them. But, then again, if Nall is the clear leader by his 4th practice back, then I would think that all bets are off.

[Statman]

Someone needs to tell the Bills that old does not necessarily equal good. I know it's only the first preseason game, but this gives me a bad feeling about the coaching staff (of whom I have been supportive) and the upcoming season.
Pretty funny considering who the GM is.

Yeah, they need to be told/explained a few other things too. But hey, aren't they all experts who know more than anyone else?

[ICE74129]

Give me a freaking break. You're going to start a career loser over a possible franchise QB because the career loser is older??? Someone needs to tell the Bills that old does not necessarily equal good. I know it's only the first preseason game, but this gives me a bad feeling about the coaching staff (of whom I have been supportive) and the upcoming season.

By all accounts JP is beating out holcomb. Didn't DJ say the BEST QB would play? See more and more you guys are going to start seeing what a farse this really was.

[Philagape]

JP could have set the world on fire on Holcomb would still be starting.

[Bufftp]

Old people suck.
AAAAAAAAahhhhheeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmmmmm! :mad:

[Philagape]

:D

[Kelly The Dog]

There was almost no chance that Losman would start this game. Jauron, by ALL accounts, is a straight shooter. The Bills brass decided the bast route for the team is to have an open competition. They wanted JP, if he were to win the job, to fight for it and earn it in front of his teammates. KH was the starter from last year and the older player and thus was #1 on the depth chart.

You cannot have a true open competition, or even the appearance of an open competition (which is IMO what they are doing) without playing any games. IF Jauron were to start Losman in this game, it meant that he had already leapfrogged Holcomb on the depth chart and was the starter. The competition would be over. He would have alot of trouble suddenly benching his starter next week. Not to mention that if JP plays poorly in two games, what does he do then? That is not what the coaches want to happen, they want Losman to earn it, for the confidence of his teammates because of last year and for his own growth as a player and leader. I would bet anything this was the plan all along. If Nall were still there, KH would start one, JP would start the next and Nall would start the third, unless it was crystal clear that one guy was playing lights out and the clear starter. And ultimately, JP is the starter in the 3rd or 4th pre-season game and for there forward.

I think Losman is the clear starter, and always has been, but for a variety of reasons, Jauron and Marv want him to show himself to be a fighter and leader in front of his teammates. And that's exactly what is happening.

[bigbub2352]

this is a mistake in my opinion, how r u gonna know what u got in JP if they dont let him play, my god they pay guys millions of dollars to make these decisions and u cant tell that kelly who has struggled more than losman the start, why what does it prove, JP needs to play he needs to develop

[painpiljunkie]

this is a mistake in my opinion, how r u gonna know what u got in JP if they dont let him play, my god they pay guys millions of dollars to make these decisions and u cant tell that kelly who has struggled more than losman the start, why what does it prove, JP needs to play he needs to develop

JP Will be playing. He'll more than likely be put in near the end of the 1st quarter and play most, if not all, of the 2nd.