That's what I thought

[rdmercer83]

I've realized something not many people share my optimism for this season:censored: :please:

[shelby]

In what sense?
If you mean feeling optomistic, and that a rebuilding season will still be an improvement over last year, then yes, i share your faith!
:hi5:
:gobills:

[rdmercer83]

I mean in the sense that the Bills have a shot for the AFC East this year/ that they can upset the Pats:clap:

[jmb1099]

I would love to be suprised like that!

[The_Philster]

I've realized something not many people share my optimism for this season:censored: :please:
A part of me will always make a 19-0 prediction every year...and I'll always pick the Bills in the pick 'em pools....even if I don't think we realistically have much of a chance to win

[OpIv37]

I mean in the sense that the Bills have a shot for the AFC East this year/ that they can upset the Pats:clap:

as far as upsetting the Pats- if the home game against them wasn't right after the bye we MIGHT have a shot- at least as good a shot at beating them as we've had in 3 years. But no one beats Bellicheck after a bye.

As far as the division- not a chance. This team was 5-11 last year. They have new systems and lots of youth on both sides of the ball, and they START the year with 3 division games- which means the learning curve comes into play at the worst possible time.

[rdmercer83]

So what you are saying is that we should just expect the Bills to never amount to anything. No offense but I cant accept that kind of failure!!!:hand:

[OpIv37]

So what you are saying is that we should just expect the Bills to never amount to anything. No offense but I cant accept that kind of failure!!!:hand:

um, you have the complete wrong idea.

The reason I'm so negative about this team is because I don't think the moves this team has made are good enough to translate to wins- at least not this year. I see a lot of people making excuses for players and moves that just aren't good enough, and it drives me nuts.

[HHURRICANE]

I mean in the sense that the Bills have a shot for the AFC East this year/ that they can upset the Pats:clap:

It's possible. I have alot more faith in ths team and it's coaching staff than the last 2 years. But 7-9 wins translares to success!!

[justasportsfan]

um, you have the complete wrong idea.

The reason I'm so negative about this team is because I don't think the moves this team has made are good enough to translate to wins- at least not this year. I see a lot of people making excuses for players and moves that just aren't good enough, and it drives me nuts.
You can't expect the bills to rebuild in one year. Not even BB first year was a playoff run. It drives you nuts? How do you think we feel when all you do is post that the bills suck?There aren't a whole lot of positives when it comes to rebuilding, but the little positive that's left, you always piss on.

[Tatonka]

As far as the division- not a chance..

your still alive?

[Tatonka]

The reason I'm so negative about this team is because i am a miserable SOB who hates life and enjoys making those around me miserable like i am!

[The_Philster]

If I only knew OP on the boards, I'd think that was true :rofl:

[OpIv37]

If my posts make you miserable, why do you continue to read them? You let other people get to you- grow a sack.

And if you're not miserable about this team, then you're not paying attention.

[THATHURMANATOR]

GO BILLS!!!

[Jan Reimers]

I think it will be fun and entertaining to watch this young team grow and improve. There is very little pressure on them to win, since most people have fairly low expectations concerning their won-loss record - so just maybe they'll surprise us with 10 wins.

[alohabillsfan]

[QUOTE=OpIv37]as far as upsetting the Pats- if the home game against them wasn't right after the bye we MIGHT have a shot- at least as good a shot at beating them as we've had in 3 years. But no one beats Bellicheck after a bye.

2002 Denver beat the pats 24-16 in NE in 2002!:candle:

2003 NE beats Dallas 12-0!

2004 Buffalo gets spanked at home 31-17

2005 Buffalo lost to the pats last year 21-16 in the now infamous return of Teddy "Jesus", "Superman", Bruschi! Buffalo outplayed, NE outcoached Nuff said!

2006 Buffalo improves on last years almost victory, with Lindell kicking the game winner Buffalo 20- NE 17:bandwagon,,,

NE request the NFL schedule the JETS next year after the BYE! :oops:

[HAMMER]

I believe there were five games last year where we had a 4th quarter lead and lost. I attribute a good part of those failures to coaching and conditioning. It looks like we have a lot more big play ability this year which could be the difference in those close games.

[patmoran2006]

I mean in the sense that the Bills have a shot for the AFC East this year/ that they can upset the Pats:clap:

As a fan, of course.

As an unbiased football person, what have you SEEN from the Bills that makes you think they can win the AFC East. Surely, if your thinking Division crown, that means your seeing something in this team that's going to win them 10-11 games this year.

[OpIv37]

2002 Denver beat the pats 24-16 in NE in 2002!:candle:

2003 NE beats Dallas 12-0!

2004 Buffalo gets spanked at home 31-17

2005 Buffalo lost to the pats last year 21-16 in the now infamous return of Teddy "Jesus", "Superman", Bruschi! Buffalo outplayed, NE outcoached Nuff said!

2006 Buffalo improves on last years almost victory, with Lindell kicking the game winner Buffalo 20- NE 17:bandwagon,,,

NE request the NFL schedule the JETS next year after the BYE! :oops:

The 2002 Denver Broncos are not the 2006 Buffalo Bills. Hell, the 2005 Buffalo Bills are not the 2006 Buffalo Bills. What those teams did has absolutely no bearing on the Bills' chances for beating NE this year.

[Philagape]

I'm extremely and enthusiastically optimistic that there's a slight possibility that we have an outside chance at potentially reaching .500.

[justasportsfan]

Hell, the 2005 Buffalo Bills are not the 2006 Buffalo Bills. by that logic, the 2005 pats are not the 2006 pats. The 2005 fins are not the 2006 fins?

[OpIv37]

by that logic, the 2005 pats are not the 2006 pats. The 2005 fins are not the 2006 fins?

and that's another reason why his comparison is meaningless.

[justasportsfan]

and that's another reason why his comparison is meaningless.
so this means we can beat a pats team that doesn't have it's wr's from last year?

[OpIv37]

so this means we can beat a pats team that doesn't have it's wr's from last year?

no, it means that both our team and the Pats have changed from last year. But the Pats were good last year and they haven't changed that much. We were bad and we've changed a LOT, which means, youth, inexperience and a learning curve.

[justasportsfan]

no, it means that both our team and the Pats have changed from last year. But the Pats were good last year and they haven't changed that much. We were bad and we've changed a LOT, which means, youth, inexperience and a learning curve.
but by your logic, last year has nothing to do with this year or 2005 compared to 2006 is meaningless. Now you're using last year again? :coocoo:

[OpIv37]

but by your logic, last year has nothing to do with this year or 2005 compared to 2006 is meaningless. Now you're using last year again? :coocoo:
:rolleyes:

You can't say that we're going to beat the Pats this year because we ALMOST beat them last year.

But when a team has no major coaching or personnel changes on a particular unit, it's a pretty safe assumption that their play will be similar to last year.

[justasportsfan]

:rolleyes:

You can't say that we're going to beat the Pats this year because we ALMOST beat them last year.

But when a team has no major coaching or personnel changes on a particular unit, it's a pretty safe assumption that their play will be similar to last year.I'm not disagreeing here. You're the one arguing with yourself. You're the one saying comparing 2005 to 2006 is meaningless and then use the pats' 2005 to come up with the conclusion we almost have zero cahnce to beat them. You might wanna figure things out with yourself.

[OpIv37]

I'm not disagreeing here. You're the one arguing with yourself. You're the one saying comparing 2005 to 2006 is meaningless and then use the pats' 2005 to come up with the conclusion we almost have zero cahnce to beat them. You might wanna figure things out with yourself.

ok fine, what I should have said was this-

Using what Denver did to the Pats in 2002 to gauge what the Bills will do to the Pats in 2006 (like alohabillsfan said), is not reasonable.

Using last year's teams to make a prediction about this year's team based on how much they've changed and whether or not those changes are for the better is reasonable. Not definite, but reasonable.

Happy?