BillsFever21
09-06-2006, 09:01 AM
For us to get guys like Schobel, Evans, McGahee, McGee, Crowell, Clements and maybe Losman and other role players who have been great and made the impact they did I feel we've done a pretty good job over the years. Donahoe gave us some great players through the draft and signed some good FA's. We had the team to contend. He just couldn't find the right coach to put it all together.
Hopefully Marv and Modrak will make a good team and do a good job in the draft. If we can get 5 impact players and a few decent role players that contribute good after the first round like Donahoe gave us over a few years then it will be a success.
In the 2003 draft Donahoe netted us McGahee, McGee and Crowell. That was a very good draft.
2002 didn't give us much but it was a terrible draft all together. Most of the players around Mike Williams turned out to be junk. And even though Reed hasn't been a great player he is decent and the guys drafted around him haven't been much better.
In 2001 he netted us Clements, Schobel, Henry(played good when here and got us the draft pick back), and Jonas Jennings who played good when he was here.
In 2004 he netted us Evans and Losman.
2005 and 2006 is still TBD.
Drafting in the Top 10 of the draft certaintly doesn't mean a player will pan out. Especially recently there have been a ton of busts. I got to thinking about this after Harrington, Rogers and Williams were all released this year.
The year we had a Top 5 pick was the worst possible time. All the highly touted guys who were supposed to be difference makers turned out to be losers in the 2002 draft.
For how many draft picks actually pan out to even be good players we have done a good job to not only get some good players but we got some impact players. Outside of the 2002 draft I give our organization high praises with the draft. You can't expect every player to pan out.
2002 Draft
This one turned out to be terrible at the top of the draft class.
1. David Carr- Granted he's on a terrible team but he hasn't helped the cause much. He's had a longer leash but so far it's been a wasted pick.
3. Joey Harrington- Was a worthless bust. We were gonna draft him. To think a lot of us were upset when Detroit took him and we missed out. It didn't matter because we ended up instead with...
4. Mike Williams- No need to mention anything with this bum.
5. Quentin Jammer- A decent player but not an impact CB that you would expect to get with the #5 pick.
6. Ryan Simms- This guy has been worthless. Always injured and hasn't performed when he was healthy. The Vikings were lucky they screwed up with the draft card or they would've ended up with this loser. Instead they got a great LT in McKinnie. Too bad we wouldn't have gotten McKinnie.
Out of the Top 6 only one guy in Julius Peppers has amounted to something.
There are 13 other players in the rest of the first round that never amounted to anything either, very little or not even starters. That's half the players that never made much of an impact or none at all.
Wendell Bryant, William Green, Phillip Buchanon, T.J. Duckett, Ashley Lelie, Dan Graham, Bryan Thomas, Napoleon Harris, Mike Rumph, Jerramy Stevens, Marc Colombo, Robert Thomas, Patrick Ramsey.
The 2nd round players wern't any better. These rookies should not be making as much as they do coming out of college.
Another alarming thing to see is look at all the DT's. Most of the highest regarded ones turned out to be crap.
2003 Draft
2. Charles Rogers- Would rather smoke weed and can't stay healthy. Still has the talent. Maybe he will turn it around.
4. Dewayne Robertson- Has been decent but hasn't made much of an impact with the Jets.
6. Jonathon Sullivan- Has done absolutely nothing.
That's 3 more major busts in the Top 6 of the draft. Other ones in the first round that either wern't worth that pick or has done nothing at all. Some the jury is still out on but doesn't look very good.
Jimmy Kennedy, Ty Warren, Michael Haynes, Jerome McDougle, Bryant Johnson, Calvin Pace, Kyle Boller, Jeff Faine, Rex Grossman, Kwame Harris, Andre Woolfolk, Sammy Davis, Nnamdi Asomugha, Tyler Brayton
You can't count on at least half of the first round players never amounting to anything. Most of the DT's turned out to be crap. The QB's and most of the Tackles haven't turned out to much either with the exception of a few.
The best success has been from the S, TE and G and LB positions where they have panned out the most.
If we ever have a chance to trade a draft pick for a good player it's well worth the asking price.
Guys like Javon Walker that was had for a 2nd round pick. Culpepper and others. If you can good a good player for that then it's well worth it. I hear people saying that players like that isn't worth a 2nd round pick.
Even with the injury concerns surrounding them it's worth it. You know what you have in them if they come back as the same player. Even if they don't then it's a risk worth taking and you might not be any worse off. You have a 60% chance of getting crap if you use that draft pick yourself.
It's worth giving up a draft pick or multiple draft picks to get a guranteed player instead of playing russian roulette and going into that crapshoot.
This is all the proof you need that you can't rely on draft picks to fill a major position of need if you have the opportunity to either trade for one or sign one in FA. You rely and expect that and pass on them and most likely you're not gonna end up with much in the draft.
For us to get guys like Schobel, Evans, McGahee, McGee, Crowell, Clements and maybe Losman and other role players who have been great and made the impact they did I feel we've done a pretty good job over the years. Donahoe gave us some great players through the draft and signed some good FA's. We had the team to contend. He just couldn't find the right coach to put it all together.
Hopefully Marv and Modrak will make a good team and do a good job in the draft. If we can get 5 impact players and a few decent role players that contribute good after the first round like Donahoe gave us over a few years then it will be a success.
In the 2003 draft Donahoe netted us McGahee, McGee and Crowell. That was a very good draft.
2002 didn't give us much but it was a terrible draft all together. Most of the players around Mike Williams turned out to be junk. And even though Reed hasn't been a great player he is decent and the guys drafted around him haven't been much better.
In 2001 he netted us Clements, Schobel, Henry(played good when here and got us the draft pick back), and Jonas Jennings who played good when he was here.
In 2004 he netted us Evans and Losman.
2005 and 2006 is still TBD.
Hopefully Marv and Modrak will make a good team and do a good job in the draft. If we can get 5 impact players and a few decent role players that contribute good after the first round like Donahoe gave us over a few years then it will be a success.
In the 2003 draft Donahoe netted us McGahee, McGee and Crowell. That was a very good draft.
2002 didn't give us much but it was a terrible draft all together. Most of the players around Mike Williams turned out to be junk. And even though Reed hasn't been a great player he is decent and the guys drafted around him haven't been much better.
In 2001 he netted us Clements, Schobel, Henry(played good when here and got us the draft pick back), and Jonas Jennings who played good when he was here.
In 2004 he netted us Evans and Losman.
2005 and 2006 is still TBD.
Drafting in the Top 10 of the draft certaintly doesn't mean a player will pan out. Especially recently there have been a ton of busts. I got to thinking about this after Harrington, Rogers and Williams were all released this year.
The year we had a Top 5 pick was the worst possible time. All the highly touted guys who were supposed to be difference makers turned out to be losers in the 2002 draft.
For how many draft picks actually pan out to even be good players we have done a good job to not only get some good players but we got some impact players. Outside of the 2002 draft I give our organization high praises with the draft. You can't expect every player to pan out.
2002 Draft
This one turned out to be terrible at the top of the draft class.
1. David Carr- Granted he's on a terrible team but he hasn't helped the cause much. He's had a longer leash but so far it's been a wasted pick.
3. Joey Harrington- Was a worthless bust. We were gonna draft him. To think a lot of us were upset when Detroit took him and we missed out. It didn't matter because we ended up instead with...
4. Mike Williams- No need to mention anything with this bum.
5. Quentin Jammer- A decent player but not an impact CB that you would expect to get with the #5 pick.
6. Ryan Simms- This guy has been worthless. Always injured and hasn't performed when he was healthy. The Vikings were lucky they screwed up with the draft card or they would've ended up with this loser. Instead they got a great LT in McKinnie. Too bad we wouldn't have gotten McKinnie.
Out of the Top 6 only one guy in Julius Peppers has amounted to something.
There are 13 other players in the rest of the first round that never amounted to anything either, very little or not even starters. That's half the players that never made much of an impact or none at all.
Wendell Bryant, William Green, Phillip Buchanon, T.J. Duckett, Ashley Lelie, Dan Graham, Bryan Thomas, Napoleon Harris, Mike Rumph, Jerramy Stevens, Marc Colombo, Robert Thomas, Patrick Ramsey.
The 2nd round players wern't any better. These rookies should not be making as much as they do coming out of college.
Another alarming thing to see is look at all the DT's. Most of the highest regarded ones turned out to be crap.
2003 Draft
2. Charles Rogers- Would rather smoke weed and can't stay healthy. Still has the talent. Maybe he will turn it around.
4. Dewayne Robertson- Has been decent but hasn't made much of an impact with the Jets.
6. Jonathon Sullivan- Has done absolutely nothing.
That's 3 more major busts in the Top 6 of the draft. Other ones in the first round that either wern't worth that pick or has done nothing at all. Some the jury is still out on but doesn't look very good.
Jimmy Kennedy, Ty Warren, Michael Haynes, Jerome McDougle, Bryant Johnson, Calvin Pace, Kyle Boller, Jeff Faine, Rex Grossman, Kwame Harris, Andre Woolfolk, Sammy Davis, Nnamdi Asomugha, Tyler Brayton
You can't count on at least half of the first round players never amounting to anything. Most of the DT's turned out to be crap. The QB's and most of the Tackles haven't turned out to much either with the exception of a few.
The best success has been from the S, TE and G and LB positions where they have panned out the most.
If we ever have a chance to trade a draft pick for a good player it's well worth the asking price.
Guys like Javon Walker that was had for a 2nd round pick. Culpepper and others. If you can good a good player for that then it's well worth it. I hear people saying that players like that isn't worth a 2nd round pick.
Even with the injury concerns surrounding them it's worth it. You know what you have in them if they come back as the same player. Even if they don't then it's a risk worth taking and you might not be any worse off. You have a 60% chance of getting crap if you use that draft pick yourself.
It's worth giving up a draft pick or multiple draft picks to get a guranteed player instead of playing russian roulette and going into that crapshoot.
This is all the proof you need that you can't rely on draft picks to fill a major position of need if you have the opportunity to either trade for one or sign one in FA. You rely and expect that and pass on them and most likely you're not gonna end up with much in the draft.
For us to get guys like Schobel, Evans, McGahee, McGee, Crowell, Clements and maybe Losman and other role players who have been great and made the impact they did I feel we've done a pretty good job over the years. Donahoe gave us some great players through the draft and signed some good FA's. We had the team to contend. He just couldn't find the right coach to put it all together.
Hopefully Marv and Modrak will make a good team and do a good job in the draft. If we can get 5 impact players and a few decent role players that contribute good after the first round like Donahoe gave us over a few years then it will be a success.
In the 2003 draft Donahoe netted us McGahee, McGee and Crowell. That was a very good draft.
2002 didn't give us much but it was a terrible draft all together. Most of the players around Mike Williams turned out to be junk. And even though Reed hasn't been a great player he is decent and the guys drafted around him haven't been much better.
In 2001 he netted us Clements, Schobel, Henry(played good when here and got us the draft pick back), and Jonas Jennings who played good when he was here.
In 2004 he netted us Evans and Losman.
2005 and 2006 is still TBD.