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  • DynaPaul
    Registered User
    • Sep 2003
    • 7540

    Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

    From profootballtalk.com, yeah I know most of you guys don't like their site. Personally, though they are technically right on this but I think Vincent is just going to retire and not sign with someone else. So I disagree with what they're building up to.

    LEVY SCREWED THE POOCH ON VINCENT

    We've gotten some more information regarding the manner in which Bills safety Troy Vincent landed on IR. And the manner in which the situation was handled by the team convinces us that G.M. Marv Levy has little or no skill when it comes to the complexities of managing an NFL roster.

    For starters, it turns out that there really is a "minor" Injured Reserve. It's a procedure used in lieu of an injury settlement, pursuant to which the player is added to IR but must be released when healthy.

    When a player is on "major" IR, he's done for the year and gets paid his normal salary.

    But in Vincent's case, the end result is the same -- the Bills will owe him his entire salary for 2006. Why? Because Vincent is a vested veteran entitled to take the balance of his $2.6 million salary as termination pay.

    And once he's healthy, Vincent can sign with another team and receive wages on top of the $2.6 million base salary he'll get from the Bills.

    In hindsight (or if Levy had applied any foresight), the Bills would have released Vincent prior to the start of the regular season. He then could have been re-signed after the first game, and his full salary would not have been guaranteed.

    So while Levy might have been a very good coach, running the team is a much different endeavor. In this specific case, Levy's failure to understand the rules has forced his boss to pay $2.6 million to a guy who was available for only one game.

    Meanwhile, we're hearing that the injury really isn't very significant, and that Vincent could be healthy soon. So when he's healthy (and then released), Vincent will be able to sign with any other team in the league.

    Technically, Vincent would have to clear waivers if he's released after the trading deadline. But it's unlikely that anyone else would claim his contract when he can be signed the next day for a lower contract.

    So look for Vincent to be playing for another team at some point this year, even though he'll be receiving the bulk of his compensation from the Buffalo Bills.
  • L.A. Playa
    Registered User
    • Aug 2003
    • 19295

    #2
    Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

    thats all good what they are saying in theory, but remember Vincent is the head of the NFLPA and it was wise to not to try to jerk the guy around

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    • Meathead
      Insufferable ***** and perpetual crybaby
      • Jul 2002
      • 21349

      #3
      Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

      plus hasnt he said point blank he plans on staying here?
      One set of rules for all in the beloved community

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      • Dr. Lecter
        Zero for Zero!
        • Mar 2003
        • 67938

        #4
        Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

        Technically this is wrong.

        Vincent does NOT have to clear waivers, since he is a vested veteran.
        Originally posted by mysticsoto
        Lecter is right in everything he said.

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        • Historian
          2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
          • Dec 2002
          • 61783

          #5
          Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

          Originally posted by DevilPaul
          In hindsight (or if Levy had applied any foresight), the Bills would have released Vincent prior to the start of the regular season. He then could have been re-signed after the first game, and his full salary would not have been guaranteed.
          What a great idea!

          Let's just cut everybody who's healthy, on the chance that they might get injured.

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          • Gunzlingr
            Registered User
            • Jul 2002
            • 45976

            #6
            Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

            He has said he would stay and help the young guys out.
            You think you're hot **** in a champagne glass, but you're really cold diarrhea in a Dixie cup!

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            • Devin
              The Octagon
              • Apr 2003
              • 23878

              #7
              Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent



              Marv Levy is a NFL GM with people around him (Modrak and Co.) who are all well aware of how the NFL and GM duties work. Whatever they did they did for a reason, and while im sure the great football minds at profootball talk.com may think they know better, I assure you they dont.
              http://gridironjunkies.net/forums/index.php

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              • YardRat
                Well, lookie here...
                • Dec 2004
                • 86199

                #8
                Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

                Originally posted by Devin


                Marv Levy is a NFL GM with people around him (Modrak and Co.) who are all well aware of how the NFL and GM duties work. Whatever they did they did for a reason, and while im sure the great football minds at profootball talk.com may think they know better, I assure you they dont.
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                • Stewie
                  Sarah Palin for President... of my pants!
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 11567

                  #9
                  Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

                  Until a fewmonths ago, the dude who owns that site had just as much experience running an NFL team as Marv Levy did.
                  Originally posted by Topdog
                  Damn , your're showing you're ignorance!
                  Originally posted by mercyrule
                  I love Weiner.
                  Originally posted by mercyrule
                  also cheese

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                  • Michael82
                    Registered User
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 82328

                    #10
                    Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

                    Pro Football Talk.....the world's worst web site!

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                    • X-Era
                      What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 27670

                      #11
                      Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

                      Originally posted by DevilPaul
                      From profootballtalk.com, yeah I know most of you guys don't like their site. Personally, though they are technically right on this but I think Vincent is just going to retire and not sign with someone else. So I disagree with what they're building up to.

                      LEVY SCREWED THE POOCH ON VINCENT

                      We've gotten some more information regarding the manner in which Bills safety Troy Vincent landed on IR. And the manner in which the situation was handled by the team convinces us that G.M. Marv Levy has little or no skill when it comes to the complexities of managing an NFL roster.

                      For starters, it turns out that there really is a "minor" Injured Reserve. It's a procedure used in lieu of an injury settlement, pursuant to which the player is added to IR but must be released when healthy.

                      When a player is on "major" IR, he's done for the year and gets paid his normal salary.

                      But in Vincent's case, the end result is the same -- the Bills will owe him his entire salary for 2006. Why? Because Vincent is a vested veteran entitled to take the balance of his $2.6 million salary as termination pay.

                      And once he's healthy, Vincent can sign with another team and receive wages on top of the $2.6 million base salary he'll get from the Bills.

                      In hindsight (or if Levy had applied any foresight), the Bills would have released Vincent prior to the start of the regular season. He then could have been re-signed after the first game, and his full salary would not have been guaranteed.

                      So while Levy might have been a very good coach, running the team is a much different endeavor. In this specific case, Levy's failure to understand the rules has forced his boss to pay $2.6 million to a guy who was available for only one game.

                      Meanwhile, we're hearing that the injury really isn't very significant, and that Vincent could be healthy soon. So when he's healthy (and then released), Vincent will be able to sign with any other team in the league.

                      Technically, Vincent would have to clear waivers if he's released after the trading deadline. But it's unlikely that anyone else would claim his contract when he can be signed the next day for a lower contract.

                      So look for Vincent to be playing for another team at some point this year, even though he'll be receiving the bulk of his compensation from the Buffalo Bills.
                      Turns out the ignorrant SOB is the idiot who wrote this without realizing that the start of the season was BEFORE Vincent got injured which was the start of this thing in the first place.

                      We didnt have the option that this whole ridiculous thought was based on.

                      More media cluelessness, thanks but no thanks, moving on.

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                      • Stewie
                        Sarah Palin for President... of my pants!
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 11567

                        #12
                        Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

                        Vincent got hurt in preseason
                        Originally posted by Topdog
                        Damn , your're showing you're ignorance!
                        Originally posted by mercyrule
                        I love Weiner.
                        Originally posted by mercyrule
                        also cheese

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                        • X-Era
                          What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 27670

                          #13
                          Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

                          Originally posted by paulB
                          Vincent got hurt in preseason
                          Vincent started the Pats game.

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                          • Stewie
                            Sarah Palin for President... of my pants!
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 11567

                            #14
                            Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

                            Originally posted by jp-era
                            Vincent started the Pats game.
                            Yes, thank you einstein.

                            Vincent got hurt in the preseason. He aggrivated his injury against the patriots, and obviously it got a lot worse.
                            Originally posted by Topdog
                            Damn , your're showing you're ignorance!
                            Originally posted by mercyrule
                            I love Weiner.
                            Originally posted by mercyrule
                            also cheese

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                            • X-Era
                              What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 27670

                              #15
                              Re: Levy Screws the Pooch on Vincent

                              Originally posted by paulB
                              Yes, thank you einstein.

                              Vincent got hurt in the preseason. He aggrivated his injury against the patriots, and obviously it got a lot worse.
                              Again, if hes healthy enough to start the damn game, it makes little sense to cut him prior to the game due to injury.

                              Its a stupid arguement plain and simple.

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