The difference between us and the Jets

[BillsFever21]

The Jets go out and seriously upgraded their OL in the draft by selecting Ferguson and Mangold. Two players that will anchor that line for years.

They go and get a great disciple of Belicheck in Mangini and we hire a retread who failed his first time around.

Mangini learned from the best. He had helped this team do a total 360 since last year. They aren't a talented team. They certaintly don't have more talent then us. As the case that we've seen for the last 5 years though that a great coach can take a less talented team and make the competitive.

For a team with far less talent like the Jets to come into Buffalo and smack us in the ass during our home opener is uncalled for. Mangini has the Jets playing well. Their coach will take places especially when they develop some talent on that team. Our coach will take us to searching for a replacement a few years from now.

The Jets go out and build a great OL and hire a great coach. We go out and get some scraps left in FA who was unwanted by their previous teams and hire a retread who failed in 5 years his first chance. That is the difference between them and us.

Good coaches can take their team to victory with far less talent and with even being outplayed on the statistical side of the ball. Bad coaches will lose them games.

[ICE74129]

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BINGO! hey Levy went Defense and thats fine. I just pray he doesn't go back to his old ways and say 'We go with what we got' when it comes to the OL because it flat sucks. LT is below average and RG flat sucks. I think Reyes, Peters and even Fowler may be fine, but we have two must upgrades to do.

I just hope marv is willing (if one is available) to trade for a franchised LT on someones team. I am doubting we draft in the top 3 so a stud LT is out of the question in the draft and personally I don't want a rookie going into year 2 of the process. Do what it takes to get a damn good to great LT in here, I don't care what in draft picks or what in money. then spend out the ass to get the best RG we can get and lets move on from there.

[BillsFever21]

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When time and time again(like the last 5 years) when you have a team who continues to bite themselves in the ass and are always finding ways to lose games they should've won it falls on the coaches.

When you have multiple games a year when you're left thinking and saying that we lost a game(s) that we were the better team and should've won but find a way to lose that reflects on the coaching staff.

How many times over the last 5 years have we sat back and reflected on the number of games we should've won but instead we couldn't seal the deal and lost instead? It's too many. That falls on coaching.

We already have two losses this year which are games we should've won. The losses were against Belicheck and one of his disciples There will be many more games this year that afterwards we will sit back and say we should've won.

Great coaches can find ways to win games even when they're not the better team that day. Bad coaches can find ways to lose when they were the better team and should've won.

[Typ0]

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the difference is the JETS have built their program around CP for years and now he's on the field and playing well. You guys grossly underestimate the organizational efforts that are in play here like you are coaching pop warner football teams.

[ICE74129]

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the difference is the JETS have built their program around CP for years and now he's on the field and playing well. You guys grossly underestimate the organizational efforts that are in play here like you are coaching pop warner football teams.

Funny it all starts with the lines and so far we haven't done much about it. And the poster just said they went out and got two of the best in this last draft.

[BillsFever21]

Re: The difference between us and the Jets

BINGO! hey Levy went Defense and thats fine. I just pray he doesn't go back to his old ways and say 'We go with what we got' when it comes to the OL because it flat sucks. LT is below average and RG flat sucks. I think Reyes, Peters and even Fowler may be fine, but we have two must upgrades to do.

I just hope marv is willing (if one is available) to trade for a franchised LT on someones team. I am doubting we draft in the top 3 so a stud LT is out of the question in the draft and personally I don't want a rookie going into year 2 of the process. Do what it takes to get a damn good to great LT in here, I don't care what in draft picks or what in money. then spend out the ass to get the best RG we can get and lets move on from there.

Great LT's can be had outside of the Top 5 draft picks. We could've had Mangold too. We decided to take John McCargo instead. He hasn't done anything yet. He may end up as a decent player but I don't see him ever being an impact player. Mangold will. That was the wrong decision.

Look at the Jets line today. Two rookies on their line who were the top rated at each of their positions help decimate our DL today. You build your offense around a great OL and go from there. You can have all the skill position players you want but without a great OL it means nothing.

[Typ0]

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Funny it all starts with the lines and so far we haven't done much about it. And the poster just said they went out and got two of the best in this last draft.

Then you agree with him...Fergoson and Mangold are going to make the JETS offensive line a force to contend with for the next half decade?

[BillsFever21]

Re: The difference between us and the Jets

the difference is the JETS have built their program around CP for years and now he's on the field and playing well. You guys grossly underestimate the organizational efforts that are in play here like you are coaching pop warner football teams.

Yeah, we forget. The coaches did a wonderful job today pissing away 3 FG's and forcing the Jets to beat us with their passing game which is lead by Pennington who the Jets built their program around for years. Great decision there.

[Typ0]

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Yeah, we forget. The coaches did a wonderful job today pissing away 3 FG's and forcing the Jets to beat us with their passing game which is lead by Pennington who the Jets built their program around for years. Great decision there.

we also forget what the long run recipe for success is in favor of hindsight on todays game.

[X-Era]

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The Jets go out and seriously upgraded their OL in the draft by selecting Ferguson and Mangold. Two players that will anchor that line for years.

They go and get a great disciple of Belicheck in Mangini and we hire a retread who failed his first time around.

Mangini learned from the best. He had helped this team do a total 360 since last year. They aren't a talented team. They certaintly don't have more talent then us. As the case that we've seen for the last 5 years though that a great coach can take a less talented team and make the competitive.

For a team with far less talent like the Jets to come into Buffalo and smack us in the ass during our home opener is uncalled for. Mangini has the Jets playing well. Their coach will take places especially when they develop some talent on that team. Our coach will take us to searching for a replacement a few years from now.

The Jets go out and build a great OL and hire a great coach. We go out and get some scraps left in FA who was unwanted by their previous teams and hire a retread who failed in 5 years his first chance. That is the difference between them and us.

Good coaches can take their team to victory with far less talent and with even being outplayed on the statistical side of the ball. Bad coaches will lose them games.

OK, lets give up, the Bills hav ent done anything worth anything and never will.

I just dislike posts with this type of perspective. We looked like the Bengals about 2 years ago.

[North_Coast]

Re: The difference between us and the Jets

The Jets go out and seriously upgraded their OL in the draft by selecting Ferguson and Mangold. Two players that will anchor that line for years.

They go and get a great disciple of Belicheck in Mangini and we hire a retread who failed his first time around.

Mangini learned from the best. He had helped this team do a total 360 since last year. They aren't a talented team. They certaintly don't have more talent then us. As the case that we've seen for the last 5 years though that a great coach can take a less talented team and make the competitive.

For a team with far less talent like the Jets to come into Buffalo and smack us in the ass during our home opener is uncalled for. Mangini has the Jets playing well. Their coach will take places especially when they develop some talent on that team. Our coach will take us to searching for a replacement a few years from now.

The Jets go out and build a great OL and hire a great coach. We go out and get some scraps left in FA who was unwanted by their previous teams and hire a retread who failed in 5 years his first chance. That is the difference between them and us.

Good coaches can take their team to victory with far less talent and with even being outplayed on the statistical side of the ball. Bad coaches will lose them games.

First off, I think it's a little too early to deem either Jauron or Mangini as good or bad coaches. They're going to have ups and downs. Maybe you ought to read what some of the NY sports writers were saying about Mangini after last week's loss. Moreover, the team has more talent than many give the team credit for, and they have what Buffalo doesn't have -- yet: a smart, experienced QB. Don't dismiss Pennington because of all the claims about his "noodle arm"; he's a leader who uses his head to make the most of his opportunities.

Second: you cannot rebuild a team with as many holes on it as the Bills had at the end of 2005 in a single off-season. The Bills used the draft and FA to improve the defense. They used FA to upgrade the OL, but they still need to work on that. I would have loved for the Bills to have D'Brick and Nick Mangold, but the Bills put the emphasis on D because they thought that the need was greater and the payoff better.

BTW, the two fumbles came from safety blitzes that weren't picked up by players other than OL.

[Typ0]

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I think the best thing we can do is bench McGahee for the rest of the season and then cut him. He's the reason we turned the ball over today so if you take him out of the mix we're a lot better off.

[BillsFever21]

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OK, lets give up, the Bills hav ent done anything worth anything and never will.

I just dislike posts with this type of perspective. We looked like the Bengals about 2 years ago.

Both losses this year have been the same way most of them have been for the last 5 years. We lost games that were there for the taking but we screwed it up and find a way to lose instead. Especially at home in the home opener. Good teams don't let that happen against a team who is less talented as yours.

For the last 5 years people have been saying that we're like certain teams that have turned things around.

The Bengals of two years ago were a team who took much better teams to the limit but just came up short. They were a team that didn't screw up many games they grossly outplayed the other team in.

They were a team who fought hard with great teams but didn't have the final peices yet and that were learning how to win. They didn't have what it took to beat the great teams yet. They were close but not at that point yet. They beat the less talented teams they should've beat especially at home in the home opener nonetheless.

They wern't a team who pisses away points every game and losses games that they should've won because of it. They wern't a team who were losing their home opener to a bottom feeder team as it was. The Bengals of two years ago would've won this game. We look nowhere like the Bengals.

They lost game because they just came up short. Not because of stupid decisions and just giving games away they had for the taking.

[Typ0]

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Both losses this year have been the same way most of them have been for the last 5 years. We lost games that were there for the taking but we screwed it up and find a way to lose instead. Especially at home in the home opener. Good teams don't let that happen against a team who is less talented as yours.

that's where you are going wrong...because of your expectations. We aren't a good team. Not yet.