For the record, about Culpepper

[Mr. Miyagi]

A lot of Dolphins fans seem to think Culpepper is going to return to his ProBowl form, "with or without Moss", when he recovers from his injury 100%.

Let's take a look at his "with or without Moss" stats:

With Moss (2000-2004)
Average 25.8 TDs, 14.8 INTs, 92.78 QB rating

Without Moss (2005)
6 TDs, 12 INTs, 72 QB rating (in 7 games)

Any questions?

[Coach Sal]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

The Culpepper we've seen this year is a lot closer to what he really is than the Culpepper we saw a few years ago in Minny.

He always had a penchant for fumbling and being careless with the football, even when he had Moss.

Moss just changed the entire complexion of that offense and helped Daunte so much. His presence opened the field for other WR's (giving DC a chance to complete throws), as well as created a little more running room for Culpepper - especially near the goal line where Moss was so dangerous with him.

[Goobylal]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

I said it all off-season that Culpepper looked HORRIBLE last year, which was cause enough for concern. Add the injury and he's cooked.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

The Culpepper we've seen this year is a lot closer to what he really is than the Culpepper we saw a few years ago in Minny.

He always had a penchant for fumbling and being careless with the football, even when he had Moss.

Moss just changed the entire complexion of that offense and helped Daunte so much. His presence opened the field for other WR's (giving DC a chance to complete throws), as well as created a little more running room for Culpepper - especially near the goal line where Moss was so dangerous with him.

I agree. Without a decent OL and a gamebreaking WR, Culpepper is being exposed for what he really is, as evident this season thus far.

[bigbub2352]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

Culpepper is almost as overratted as Vick

[dplus47]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

A lot of Dolphins fans seem to think Culpepper is going to return to his ProBowl form, "with or without Moss", when he recovers from his injury 100%.

Let's take a look at his "with or without Moss" stats:

With Moss (2000-2004)
Average 25.8 TDs, 14.8 INTs, 92.78 QB rating

Without Moss (2005)
6 TDs, 12 INTs, 72 QB rating (in 7 games)

Any questions?

did randy moss play every game from 2000-2004? i seem to recall his being injured for a good stretch during c-pep's best year, but i'm sure you'll fill me in on the reality of that situation.

how is randy moss looking without culpepper? i'm sure you'll be able to fill me in on why that isn't working out as well as it should be, because randy is clearly able to carry a team, right?

[SABURZFAN]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

He always had a penchant for fumbling and being careless with the football, even when he had Moss.

that's why i call him The Turnover Machine.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

how is randy moss looking without culpepper? i'm sure you'll be able to fill me in on why that isn't working out as well as it should be, because randy is clearly able to carry a team, right?

Moss went to a new team in a new system under new coaches altogether, whereas Culpepper had the same OL and coaches and everything, including all the receivers he's played with before. Moss was the only variable and it showed that he was the difference.

[dplus47]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

Moss went to a new team in a new system under new coaches altogether, whereas Culpepper had the same OL and coaches and everything, including all the receivers he's played with before. Moss was the only variable and it showed that he was the difference.

moss was the ONLY variable? you do know that culpepper had a new system as well, and that linehan went to miami last year, right? you're just trying to trick me...

so what did it mean when c-pep played well in moss' absence? the year before he left, moss was out and gimpy a lot.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

so what did it mean when c-pep played well in moss' absence? the year before he left, moss was out and gimpy a lot.

Really? According to Moss' stats, in that "gimpy" year he played 13 games and caught 13 TDs. That couldn't have affected Culpepper's stats could it?

[dplus47]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

Really? According to Moss' stats, in that "gimpy" year he played 13 games and caught 13 TDs. That couldn't have affected Culpepper's stats could it?

look at his game-by-game stats. look at c-pep's game-by-game stats. do you remember that year at all?

and what about systems? or are they irrelevant now that c-pep and moss both had new systems?

[Mr. Miyagi]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

look at his game-by-game stats. look at c-pep's game-by-game stats. do you remember that year at all?

and what about systems? or are they irrelevant now that c-pep and moss both had new systems?

Please elaborate instead of asking rhetorical questions as your responses.

What about the game-by-game stats? How does that support your argument? And how do you discount those 13 TDs by Moss?

[dplus47]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

so daunte passes for 4717 yards and 39 TD's and moss catches for 767 yards and 13 TD's. i'd take c-pep's numbers minus moss.

here's a link to a page with the game-by-game. moss caught passes in 11 games that year. you gotta scroll down (sorry, i'm working):

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/MossRa00.htm

[dplus47]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

here's a non-rhetorical question:

since both guys played in new systems in 2005, do systems matter anymore in your mind, or do they only matter for moss?

and another one:

randy's worst statistical year corresponds to daunte's best statistical year. how does this support the crux of the thread?

[Mr. Miyagi]

Re: For the record, about Culpepper

so daunte passes for 4717 yards and 39 TD's and moss catches for 767 yards and 13 TD's. i'd take c-pep's numbers minus moss.

You did.

Without Moss (2005)
6 TDs, 12 INTs, 72 QB rating (in 7 games)