Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

[DaBillzAhDaShiznit]

Kyle has not shown much on the field so far.....if you are an insider, can you tell us why?

From training camp and preseason I was expecting him to be a force.

[OpIv37]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

he's probably working out at the fieldhouse since he IS Kyle Williams.

[SquishDaFish]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

Hes getting ready for the game.

[patmoran2006]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

This is a kid you gotta give some time.. I like him.

I like him better than McCargo I can tell you that much. Uggh, thats the ONLY pick in this draft I hate (McCargo).. F'n Nick Mangold!

[Goobylal]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

Yes, after 3 games in the NFL, McCargo and Williams are busts and Mangold is awesome.

[OpIv37]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

Yes, after 3 games in the NFL, McCargo and Williams are busts and Mangold is awesome.

Our DL sucks and our OL needs help.

McCargo hasn't helped our crappy DL get any better. Mangold has helped the Jets to overachieve.

I'll let you figure it out from there.

[Saratoga Slim]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

As of right now I'd trade McCargo for Mangold, no questions asked. Not a knock on McCargo, I just think Mangold is going to be a real stud.

[SABURZFAN]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

Kyle has not shown much on the field so far.....if you are an insider, can you tell us why?

From training camp and preseason I was expecting him to be a force.

he did haul out of here like a blue-assed fly,didn't he?

[SABURZFAN]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

Yes, after 3 games in the NFL, McCargo and Williams are busts and Mangold is awesome.

we could have had the Ohio St. trifecta too.

[Devin]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

By all accounts Mangold is playing pretty well, i was so praying he would have been a Bill.

That being said I am not unhappy with any of our picks. Williams was a great pickup as was McCargo.

[gr8slayer]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

By all accounts Mangold is playing pretty well, i was so praying he would have been a Bill.

That being said I am not unhappy with any of our picks. Williams was a great pickup as was McCargo.

I thought Williams looked pretty good in the pre-season. Last week he got the double team quite a bit, which is not a bad thing at all.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

By all accounts Mangold is playing pretty well, i was so praying he would have been a Bill.

That being said I am not unhappy with any of our picks. Williams was a great pickup as was McCargo.

Regarding Mangold, it depends on what week it is and who is reporting. While Mangold had a good game against the Bills, according to the reports that I read in the NY Daily News and the local paper here, he struggled against the Pats and was OK against Tenn. He's going to be a stud down the road, but, like any rookie, he's had his ups and downs thus far. He's gotten a lot of playing time because Teague got hurt, but the Jets were reported to be very anxious to get Teague back before the Jets played the Bills because of the way Mangold struggled against the Jets--they wanted some insurance in case he didn't bounce back from that.

As for McCargo and Williams, they're coming along--having their ups and downs, too, which is to be expected. If you just watch the games on TV or from the stands you might not think so, but, if you look at the play by play of last week's game on NFL.com, you will see that Williams and McCargo were in on a number of plays. I watched the game, while also participating in the BZ game day thread and didn't realize that they were in on some of the plays that NFL.com shows them being in on (ie, McCargo is credited with flushing Pennington on the sack by Kelsay, etc.).

What you have to realize is that there aren't too many DTs who come into the NFL and dominate right out of college. Just take a look at the stats and how Williams and McCargo stack up against Ngata and Bunkley:

Kyle Williams:

Year	Team	G	Total	Tkl	Ast	Sacks	Int	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	Pass Def
2006	Buffalo Bills	3	8	4.0	4	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0

John McCargo:

Year	Team	G	Total	Tkl	Ast	Sacks	Int	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	Pass Def
2006	Buffalo Bills	3	3	2.0	1	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0

Haloti Ngata:

Year	Team	G	Total	Tkl	Ast	Sacks	Int	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	Pass Def
2006	Baltimore Ravens	3	1	1.0	0	0	1	60	60.0	60	0	0

Broderick Bunkley:

Year	Team	G	Total	Tkl	Ast	Sacks	Int	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	Pass Def
2006	Philadelphia Eagles	3	4	4.0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0

Given the amount of playing time that they all have gotten, pretty much the same numbers.

Now compare those numbers to the rookie year numbers of some DTs that you may have heard of:

Jamal Williams, SD:

Year	Team	G	Total	Tkl	Ast	Sacks	Int	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	Pass Def
1998	San Diego Chargers	9	6	5.0	1	0	1	14	14.0	14	1	0

Marcus Stroud, Jax

Year	Team	G	Total	Tkl	Ast	Sacks	Int	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	Pass Def
2001	Jacksonville Jaguars	16	25	21.0	4	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	3

Montae Reagor, Indy

Year	Team	G	Total	Tkl	Ast	Sacks	Int	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	Pass Def
1999	Denver Broncos	9	10	9.0	1	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0
2000	Denver Broncos	13	12	10.0	2	2	0	0	0.0	0	0	1
2001	Denver Broncos	8	9	7.0	2	1	0	0	0.0	0	0	1
2002	Denver Broncos	15	19	11.0	8	1	1	31	31.0	31	0	0
2003	Indianapolis Colts	13	25	17.0	8	0.5	0	0	0.0	0	0	1

Rod Coleman, Atl

Year	Team	G	Total	Tkl	Ast	Sacks	Int	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	Pass Def
1999	Oakland Raiders	3	1	1.0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0
2000	Oakland Raiders	13	20	16.0	4	6	0	0	0.0	0	0	1

Anthony McFarland, TB

Year	Team	G	Total	Tkl	Ast	Sacks	Int	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	Pass Def
1999	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	14	14	9.0	5	1	0	0	0.0	0	0	0

Yes, you can find DTs who had more prolific rookie seasons, but my point is that just because a DT does not dominate and put up big numbers as a rookie, that does not mean that the guy is going to be a bust or that he won't end up being a Pro Bowl quality DT. McCargo, Williams, Ngata and Bunkley are all of 3 games into their rookie seasons--that's hardly enough time to judge what kind of players they are going to turn out to be. Just give it some time--and I don't mean just a couple more games!--and let's see how these guys turn out.

[Devin]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

Lineman in general take longer to develop. Occasionally you'll get the stud DE who comes in like hellfire and rips everything up. But for the most part OL/DL take a year or two to come to form.

[gr8slayer]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

Lineman in general take longer to develop. Occasionally you'll get the stud DE who comes in like hellfire and rips everything up. But for the most part OL/DL take a year or two to come to form.

I think the same can be said for any position at this level. You know something for 2-4 years in college and then you are asked to change everything about the way you know about how to play football. Only natural.

[The_Philster]

Re: Where is the guy that loves Kyle Williams?

RBs usually adapt pretty quickly