The "Official" Detroit VS Buffalo Gameday thread

[Mitchy moo]

Just turned over, seen it was past midnight & said well it's gameday.

Go Bills!

[billsburgh]

You're a little early Scoob. get some sleep.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Skooby you're getting pretty greedy. :rolleyes:

[spacecowboy]

Alright I'll put it out there (Of course I'm drunk right know) Bills 37-Lions 14. I just hope the Bills defense shows up this week, the Bears game has me worried, I thought our "D" was one of our strong points.

[SABURZFAN]

Just turned over, seen it was past midnight & said well it's gameday.

Go Bills!


it's a great Saturday night out here on the West Coast. :snicker:

[Devin]

:rolleyes:

[SABURZFAN]

:rolleyes:


uh oh...it's the official thread closer. :couch:

[Devin]

:rofl: thought crossed my mind.

[SABURZFAN]

:rofl: thought crossed my mind.


i was just busting Skooby's chops on the Saturday comment. :biggrin:

[Tinboy]

Maybe I should start one next week since we are 6 hours earlier here in europe.

[SABURZFAN]

Maybe I should start one next week since we are 6 hours earlier here in europe.


good idea. :up:

[Mitchy moo]

I started one now for alaska and hawaii, lol.

[mybills]

one is enough. :cynic:

[bluehaze]

Good luck today Bills!

Wish I could watch the game, Miami doesn't play until 4 but they are showing Giants/Atlanta and Cinci/TB at 1 here, Seems like ever since the Advent of NFL ticket we no longer get to watch division rivals :fit:

[shelby]

Skooby is a zonebucks whore.

That being said....:gobills:

[Dozerdog]

I have an uneasy feeling this will be a track meet- a crazy 38-34 game.

The team that doesn't turn it over will win.

The Lions have a decimated O-line going up against a non-formidable front 4 for the Bills.

It's the movable object against the resistable force.

[YardRat]

:gobills:

[BlackMetalNinja]

I have an uneasy feeling this will be a track meet- a crazy 38-34 game.

The team that doesn't turn it over will win.

The Lions have a decimated O-line going up against a non-formidable front 4 for the Bills.

It's the movable object against the resistable force.

Funny you should say that because I was about to post about the same thing. I'm looking for a shootout all the way... I was thinking more like 37-27 Buffalo though with a late defensive/special teams TD making the difference.

[kinigirly]

i say skooby...they're playing in detroit...so this thread should be titled The Official Buffalo vs Detroit Gameday Thread. guess we're gonna have to trash it and start a new one huh

[BlackMetalNinja]

Alright kids, I'm heading to the bar to get some wings and watch the game... enjoy all and hopefully when I get back, this will be a nice happy exuberant place!

[shelby]

:gobills:
i can't afford to go to watch the game:teary:
:curse:ing sucks being broke.

[HHURRICANE]

Skooby is a zonebucks whore.

That being said....:gobills:

Shelby that's funny!! He has more zonebucks than me. Hey did you see last weeks Southpark on 911? OMG it was frickin hilarious!!

[HHURRICANE]

Alright kids, I'm heading to the bar to get some wings and watch the game... enjoy all and hopefully when I get back, this will be a nice happy exuberant place!

Leaving in half hour!!

[The_Philster]

11 minutes til we start the beatdown :club:

[Devin]

LETS GO BUFFALO!!!

[YardRat]

:gobills:

[TacklingDummy]

Dell direct game points..

BUF: score Touchdowns not FGs

[Mitchy moo]

i say skooby...they're playing in detroit...so this thread should be titled The Official Buffalo vs Detroit Gameday Thread. guess we're gonna have to trash it and start a new one huh


Fixed, it's gameday!! GO BILLS!

[Mitchy moo]

Lions win the toss!

[TacklingDummy]

A Schobel sighting. He's good for the game now.

[Mitchy moo]

Schobel sack!

[The_Philster]

Schobel!!

[Mitchy moo]

No run D, crud. 52 yard run.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

rediculous run defense... cmon!

[Kerr]

That big run should have never happened aganst a depleted offensive line.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

wide open... PUHLEESE!

[TacklingDummy]

Pass interfernce, BS non-call.

[Kerr]

Anyone still confident this game is a sure win? What a sloppy defensive showing.

[odin]

uhhh PI?

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

team looks listless

[Mitchy moo]

2nd and goal.

[Devin]

:rofl:

It maybe a long day.

[Mitchy moo]

3rd and goal.

[kinigirly]

what game am i watching?? i'm confused beyond belief

[Mitchy moo]

Crowell popped the RB.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

someone punch mike martz in the groin.

good stop d
can they hold em on 4th?

[Kerr]

Good run stop.

[odin]

yAH!! The defense actually made some clutch plays..!

[Mitchy moo]

Josh Stamer, sweet tackle.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

yeah!

[Kerr]

Stamer, you go.

[Dozerdog]

SWEET!!!!



4th and goal and they stuff them

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

goody, we stoped them on the 1.

they never should have gotten there!

[Dozerdog]

It's like watching the Buffalo Bills vs the Buffalo Bills

[Iehoshua]

Take that!

[Kerr]

It would have been embarrasing for the defense had the lions scored. Good resiliancy.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

we better drive on them now. we just BETTER!

[TacklingDummy]

OK JP, that line behind you is the endzone, stayout of it

[ublinkwescore]

where the hell is that site at that you watch the helmets go back and forth across the screen???

I can't find it at NFL.com

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

go off freaking tackle! stop running up the middle there is never anything there!

[Bufftp]

could be a long a Day.
But we have the Sabres tuesday night! :D

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

lions fired up we look like ****

[venis2k1]

where the hell is that site at that you watch the helmets go back and forth across the screen???

I can't find it at NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061015_BUF@DET

[TacklingDummy]

Who was JP throwing that to?

[YardRat]

What the hell kind of throw is that ??

[Mad Bomber]

Hell of a first drive...:puke:

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

jp lucked out there

[Mitchy moo]

Faircatch detroit, midfield.

[TacklingDummy]

Pass blocking was great on the first 2 attempts.

[kinigirly]

yeah its time to drink...sadly i've been saying that alot lately during the first quarter :ill:

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

stop thanking my posts TD.... you'll give me bad Karma!

Just kidding around TD :)

[TacklingDummy]

Spikes with the tackle after a gain of 12. :(

[Mad Bomber]

WTF! They're missing 3 OL starters and they're running all over us!

[Mitchy moo]

Nice tackle there.

[TacklingDummy]

Please put Clements on Williams right now.

[ublinkwescore]

no more booze... I don't want to drink for a while. I feel like crap today - I mixed a bunch of beer with a bunch of hard alcohol last night, and I swear I threw up like 20 times, now my head is pounding, and I'm just staying home today to recuperate - maybe I'll get some homework done.

If we blow the lions out today, I'll never drink on gameday again.

[Mitchy moo]

Williams is all over the place.

[Mitchy moo]

Kitna threw it away.

[ublinkwescore]

Please put Clements on Williams right now.

Please get rid of Clements... NOW!!!

[TacklingDummy]

Oh great, they put Greer on Williams.

[Mitchy moo]

Detroit has a 59.2 yard average rushing yards per game, we allowed them 75 already. ouch.

[Mitchy moo]

Detroit FG, 3-0.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

we suck

opps... did I say that out loud?

[Kerr]

Why in the blue hell is mcgee covering roy williams? Perry fewell is pulling the same stupid **** jerry gray did when he was here. Size disadvantage to say the least. Clements is taller, he should be on williams.

[odin]

Could be a lot worse.. just weather the storm for now and we'll get through this.

[TacklingDummy]

Thankfully the Lions are keeping us in this game.

[YardRat]

Nice stick by Greer.

Held them to 3, now it's time for some offense.

[Marvelous]

Tasker is brutal...I don't understand why he tries soo hard to sound unbiased taht he comes across as negative....grr!

[ublinkwescore]

I say it's time to throw Youboty to the wolves...

We're not gonna go anywhere this year, let's quit pretending we are, and get our Defense primed to be stellar next year - Start Youboty now Jauron or I'm gonna start calling for your head.

Clements is gone - accept it. Get Youboty some experience.

Let's actually try to have a D that should take a lot of pressure off our young O next year - and Marv, you'd better draft every stud you can find for the Oline.

[Michael82]

Let's go JP! Air it out!!! :up:

[Ron Burgundy]

I say it's time to throw Youboty to the wolves...

We're not gonna go anywhere this year, let's quit pretending we are, and get our Defense primed to be stellar next year - Start Youboty now Jauron or I'm gonna start calling for your head.

Clements is gone - accept it. Get Youboty some experience.

Let's actually try to have a D that should take a lot of pressure off our young O next year - and Marv, you'd better draft every stud you can find for the Oline.
I don't understand why people think Youboty is so good.

He'll stick as a nickel guy but I don't think he's starting material...ever.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Hi, all! Just got here. It doesn't sound like the Bills have been doing to well so far. What's going on?

We're not getting the game here in NYC--some genius decided to put the Houston-Dallas game on instead. I had to write an email of complaint about that.

[Mitchy moo]

Let's go JP! Air it out!!! :up:

JP is going to be handing it off for a bit, sacked.

[ublinkwescore]

that's not good.

[Michael82]

Nice job blocking by the oline..... :ill:

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

are you freaking kidding me? sack? this is awful

[Mitchy moo]

Back to Back sacks of JP. Willis blew it.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

thow the effing ball!

[Michael82]

OMG! Gandy is ****ing horrible! :mad:

[Devin]

wow.

[The_Philster]

McGahee totally whiffed on that block :cynic:

[Kerr]

This is going to be a long day. :ill:

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

we cant buy a freaking break!

[kinigirly]

sigh.......dozer wanna meet me in worcester at halftime for heavy drinking? i don't have enough in the house for this nonsense

[TacklingDummy]

Come on JP throw the ball

[Dozerdog]

I'm not only goingt o start drinking- but I'm going to mix it with a double dosage of cold medicine

[LifetimeBillsFan]

WTF?! Two sacks in a row? Who's missing these blocks?

[ublinkwescore]

well, I think that just sent a huge message to Marv - we need some OL help ASAP - next year's draft, you'd better not pass up on a Nick Mangold or anyone else that can solidify this OL.

I think the Mouse gets one more year to prove himself.

[xXSpIkes5IXx]

its 3-0 guys against an 0-5 team, and its the first quarter

chill out we will find our stride

[spacecowboy]

Well its not lookin good on either side of the ball

[Mitchy moo]

Huge fumble and somehow a Lion guy fell on it around 5 Bills players.

[TacklingDummy]

McGahee totally whiffed on that block :cynic:

Even with the wiff JP had plenty of time to get rid of the ball on both sacks.

[Michael82]

damn, the ball cant even bounce their way when they strip the ball.... :doh:

:mad:

[Dozerdog]

sigh.......dozer wanna meet me in worcester at halftime for heavy drinking? i don't have enough in the house for this nonsense

I am so tempted- but I'm nursing some disease that the jerks in my office coughed onto me all week. :(

[TigerJ]

First sack - blitz
Second sack - Gandy wiffed on a block and McGahee wiffed on the chip.

[The_Philster]

Bryson hurt :( :pray:

[TacklingDummy]

Shawn Bryson a WYS favorite hurt.

[ublinkwescore]

I don't understand why people think Youboty is so good.

He'll stick as a nickel guy but I don't think he's starting material...ever.

And you think Nate Clements is good?

Thanks but no thanks - clements looks like he's playing scared.

[Ron Burgundy]

And you think Nate Clements is good?

Thanks but no thanks - clements looks like he's playing scared.

Nah, but no need to take out a not-good player and replace him with a **** sandwich.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

According to NFL.com the Bills went for it on 4th down deep in their own territory and Andre Davis fumbled the ball? Please tell me that's not true!

[spacecowboy]

How did they call for a pass on second and two anyways, Willis was getting 4 yards per carry

[Mitchy moo]

Shawn Bryson a WYS favorite hurt.

They carted him off.

[The_Philster]

time for TKO to make a play :pray:

[TigerJ]

Even with the wiff JP had plenty of time to get rid of the ball on both sacks. First sack Losmans first two reads were double covered. He didn't have time for the third. He was in the pocket and had he thrown the ball away - intentional grounding with loss of down.

[kinigirly]

I am so tempted- but I'm nursing some disease that the jerks in my office coghed onto me all week. :(

listen boy i've been drinking bacteria contaminated water all week at school....my desire to drink right now far exceeds my tummy ache......thank god i'm watching the game at home instead of sports depot....i'm honestly going to cry

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

why is ther only ONE guy on williams? WHY!!!

td we suck

[spacecowboy]

WTF

[The_Philster]

Nah, but no need to take out a not-good player and replace him with a **** sandwich.
He's a Buckeye CB....how often do they actually NOT do well? :shakeno:

[Kerr]

its 3-0 guys against an 0-5 team, and its the first quarter

chill out we will find our stride


you were saying? 10-0.


This is an embarrasment.

[ublinkwescore]

there is when that player is costing us 7 mill a year.

[Mitchy moo]

Well, We're making Detroit looking like the reincarnation of the 1994-1995 San fran team.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

I guess this answers the question of do the bills have and heart after last weeks mess

[spacecowboy]

Good thing the Lions O-Line is busted up!

[TacklingDummy]

Again, put Clements on Williams right NOW.

[Michael82]

:rofl: Is this going to be as ugly as last week? :scared:

:puke:

[TigerJ]

I think Bufalo needs to shorten up their pass routes for a bit and runn the ball a lot.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

jp better show something now or I may go over to the TD side

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Bills defense doesn't look like they are doing a good job against the run at all. With all the guys the Lions have out on their O-line, this is embarrassing. UGH!

[Kerr]

If this team loses to detroit, it doesn't deserve to even think of the playoffs.

[TacklingDummy]

:rofl: Is this going to be as ugly as last week? :scared:

:puke:

Uglier. We all knew the Bills didn't have a chance against the Bears. This game is against the Lion

[ublinkwescore]

I think there is a conspiracy to get Buffalo into L.A.

on the few occasions that we do show up to play, the refs beat us.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

run effing straight willis you turd!

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

jp hung willis out to dry

[TacklingDummy]

Good Job JP getting Willis cremated.

If JP wasn't the reason Ice is a Bills a fan he certainly is now.

[Ron Burgundy]

He's a Buckeye CB....how often do they actually NOT do well? :shakeno:

Well sure, he went to OSU, he must be good!

I watch a lot of Ohio State football (I live with two kids from Columbus and one from Cleveland) and they ALL say Youboty isn't ready, gets burned deep, has few instincts, and isn't a good tackler. Which, having watched him play, I agree with.

I'm not saying he'll never develop, I'm just saying he's not even close to ready now, and I doubt he'll ever be a starter.

[YardRat]

Nice pass, DUMB-ASS !!!

[The_Philster]

Willis walked off under his own power...good :phew:

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

According to NFL.com the Bills went for it on 4th down deep in their own territory and Andre Davis fumbled the ball? Please tell me that's not true!

not in this game.

this is stupid

[Mitchy moo]

Willis rolled up, maybe he'll be OK. WTF is wrong with us?

[LifetimeBillsFan]

How bad is Willis hurt?

[ublinkwescore]

this is horrible - I may just go take a nap - if things don't pick up between now and halftime.

[TacklingDummy]

Picked off, ugh

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

holy crap jp. are you drunk?

[TigerJ]

Ugh!

[Michael82]

****, that was an ugly throw. He never looked off Evans. :ill:

[Mitchy moo]

Oh man, this is not good. JP threw an INT.

[shelby]

OH :curse:

[The_Philster]

great play by Holt...JP stared Evans down the whole way :cynic:

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

Im leaving

[Kerr]

Jp you're killing me.

[kinigirly]

no more.......please for the love of god NO MORE!!!! :cry:

[Bufftp]

hey they just think they are the sabres and can spot the opposition a few points.

[ublinkwescore]

Great, JP is gonna be feeding the trolls - or troll anyways.

[venis2k1]

this will go down as the worst quarter of football any pro football team has ever played...ever.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

not in this game.

this is stupid

Thanks Keith. NFL.com sometimes messes things up big-time. Glas this was one instance.

[Nighthawk]

Sorry folks...this is a very badly coached team! Not ready to play again! And this is against an 0-5 team! These coaches are brutal!

[Kerr]

They're playing like a team still shaken up from the blowout they got last week.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

kelsey quit celbrating you suck

[Michael82]

Well, we all wondered how this young team would rebound from that horrible, disgusting loss last week and so far it looks like they want to run and hide. :ill:

[Mitchy moo]

Kitna sacked by kelsay.

[Kerr]

finally kelsay shows up.

[Mitchy moo]

Detroit went for a 56 YD FG & missed.

[Kerr]

Hanson missed the fg. what a break.

[Nighthawk]

Well, we all wondered how this young team would rebound from that horrible, disgusting loss last week and so far it looks like they want to run and hide. :ill:

The coaching is not strong enough to keep the troops pointed in the right direction. Jauron is showing why nobody else wanted him!

[TigerJ]

Bills have great field position. Missed FG. Momentum shift?

[Kerr]

Hanson missed the fg. what a break.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

OK. Missed FG can be the turning point now! LET'S GO BILLS!!!

[ublinkwescore]

let's hope that got a little spark going for the D.

[Marvelous]

Please tellme you guys are noticing Tasker and hows he is all Detroit..

[Nighthawk]

Please tellme you guys are noticing Tasker and hows he is all Detroit..

Who cares...the Bills have sucked, what do you want him to say good about them?

[Marvelous]

Welcome back 21 stiffy!!!!

[odin]

I think we need to start passing on the free plays.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

Please tellme you guys are noticing Tasker and hows he is all Detroit..

no he is not.

[Michael82]

They're playing like a team still shaken up from the blowout they got last week.
yeah they are. :ill:

[venis2k1]

just run it every play, then fake punt.

[ublinkwescore]

I can't hear tasker - I'm watching the helmets go across the screen on nfl.com's gamecenter.

[shelby]

:gobills:

[Marvelous]

no he is not.
well pay attention from here out and see if ya notice...

[TigerJ]

Please tellme you guys are noticing Tasker and hows he is all Detroit..

Buffalo hasn't given him much of an excuse to be pro Buffalo yet.

[Michael82]

Come on Willis! Keep it up. Pound the ball and get a long touchdown! :pray:

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

tasker is fine... hes just honest.. the bills SUCK

[YardRat]

I'll give JP one thing...he has a great hard count.

[shelby]

ugh it is so frustrating not being able to watch the game:madcurse:

[Mitchy moo]

Rememeber Tennessee handed it to Indy in Indy all last week and almost won. Things like this happen, we just need to get our head out of our ***es.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

tasker is being less pro-lions then our own DL

[madness]

:flex:
Willis McGahee has a stiff arm like a taser gun..

[Kerr]

Please score on this drive. :pray:

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

ugh it is so frustrating not being able to watch the game:madcurse:
you dont want to see it.

[Philagape]

WHAT A PLAY BY JP

[The_Philster]

TD Losman to Parrish!!

[Michael82]

WOO HOOOO! Way to make a play and get away from the pressure! Yeah baby!!!! :dance:

[odin]

WOW!

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

holly CRAP we did it!

forget every thing I said

[Mitchy moo]

JP TD toss, looks like fran tarkenton!!

[Bufftp]

Tackiling Dummy I have to agree with you, JP didn't haven't great pocket presence on that TD pass.

[madness]

TD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kerr]

Finally jp got his head out of his ass!

[LifetimeBillsFan]

YES!! ROSCOE!!! TD!!! Bills are back in the game!

[ublinkwescore]

hell yeah!!!

Roscoe Baby!!!!

[YardRat]

WOW....what a tremendous play!

Great escape, and great throw!!

[spacecowboy]

I knew we would score there! LOL

[TigerJ]

Like I said: momentum shift. Only a 3 point game

[The_Philster]

Tackiling Dummy I have to agree with you, JP didn't haven't great pocket presence on that TD pass.
:rofl:

[Mad Bomber]

WOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!

JP to Roscoe!!!!!

GO BILLS!!!

[Michael82]

WOOO HOOOO! Nice read by Losman to see that Parrish was open downfield! :bf1:

Touchdown baby! Go Roscoe! Go JP!!! :dance:

[Philagape]

JP's a bonehead sometimes, but few QBs can make plays like that

[madness]

Wow, that was a beautiful throw on the run.

[Nighthawk]

Hey, coaching staff...wake the f**k up! Roscoe needs to play more and be involved in the offense more! Wake up!

[TacklingDummy]

Tackiling Dummy I have to agree with you, JP didn't haven't great pocket presence on that TD pass.

Broken plays do not impress me.

[spacecowboy]

GEW GEW Roscoe

[kinigirly]

i've definitely noticed that when jp f**ks up royally...he makes up for it. but that being said, i'd rather take consistency over make ups. i'm still not sure what's up with him today

[patmoran2006]

JP Losman is a ****ing human migrane..
He does the DUMBEST **** and then makes a play like that.. well, I guess we should be getting used to it now.

Great play

[Iehoshua]

JP did a good job of erasing the 1st quarter struggles with one pass.

[honey]

Now, THAT was pretty! :up:

[Iehoshua]

Broken plays do not impress me.
Nothing associated with Losman impresses you so give it a rest.

[ublinkwescore]

JP's a bonehead sometimes, but few QBs can make plays like that

Yeah, but he's our bonehead!!!

[YardRat]

Big Mo', baby.....BIG MO!!

[TigerJ]

Tackiling Dummy I have to agree with you, JP didn't haven't great pocket presence on that TD pass.

Agreed! He should have known to wrap both hands around the ball, duck his head and go down safely.

[Nighthawk]

The good thing that happened that play does not outweight the fact that our OL is putrid!

[shelby]

touchdown Parrish!
:gobills:

[LifetimeBillsFan]

The Bills need to get a stop from their defense here. LET'S GO BILLS!!!

[The_Philster]

Stamer's down :( :pray:

[venis2k1]

we need to establish willis on offense.

[shelby]

What happened to Stamer?
We can't afford any more injuries:ill:

[Nighthawk]

we need to establish willis on offense.

The only way this team can do that is to open up the run with the pass. That's the only time they have success. However, the coached don't seem to understand that.

[Bufftp]

Broken plays do not impress me.
I was sure it didn't.
But the greats make them work, things happen.
It also shows JP's competative nature despite having a rough game up until then.

I'll take that while he grows and improves.

It is a trait you can't coach or teach.

[ublinkwescore]

god damn it, we're dropping like flies.

[Ron Burgundy]

JP Losman is a ****ing human migrane..
He does the DUMBEST **** and then makes a play like that.. well, I guess we should be getting used to it now.

Great play

True that.

Awesome touchdown, nicely done, and Willis picked up a block!

[Dozerdog]

Good thing this roster is a dozen deep at WR

[TigerJ]

i've definitely noticed that when jp f**ks up royally...he makes up for it. but that being said, i'd rather take consistency over make ups. i'm still not sure what's up with him today

He's been catching a lot of pressure, and wasn't handling it well until that long TD pass. Football depends tremendously on mentality. Maybe that big play will help Losman get his head straightened around

[TacklingDummy]

For the 3rd time, put Clements on Williams NOW.

[ublinkwescore]

Kyle Williams makes an appearance - hellalujah!!!

[shelby]

come on D!

[Bufftp]

god damn it, we're dropping like flies.
please refrain from using my boss's name in vain.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

dropping like flies? we playing like flies

[Michael82]

Nice pressure by Schobel. :up:

[RedEyE]

This is a good place for an 0-5 team to go for it.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

I got 100$ says they get the first

[RedEyE]

I got 100$ says they get the first

I wouldn't take that bet. Jones has already mounted 83 yards.

[shelby]

Any word on Stamer?
:tap: