Im sick of many posts here

[X-Era]

I will give 500 ZB's and posrep (yeah my big 6 or 7), to anyone who can give details on how exactly we can fix our lines in the next year.

I mean who, and how. Details. Theres scores of us that blast away at the lines but provide no real details on how to fix them.

Give me plausible, tangible details where most of us would agree its a) a big upgrade, b) a do-able scenario.

I bet most of you cant do it, hell Id even give you a 2 year plan.

[Typ0]

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it's the same old arguement....Levy has done nothing to fix the lines...TD did nothing to fix the lines. I'd like a list of what big moves in the last offseason were actually AVAILABLE to fix the lines myself instead of a bunch of whining about how bad they are.

[X-Era]

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it's the same old arguement....Levy has done nothing to fix the lines...TD did nothing to fix the lines. I'd like a list of what big moves in the last offseason were actually AVAILABLE to fix the lines myself instead of a bunch of whining about how bad they are.

Then you agree with this post and its follow on. If you cant think of a solution, then you ought to just STFU.

Ill give mine, it will be blasted away at of course by those that have some tangible reason to care about Ralph's bank account, and our draft picks.

Your on the money here. Many like to whine, but cant think up a solution, WOW thats hard! I can get my 3 year old girl to do that.

[RedEyE]

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Dude, you are all freaking riled up and spitting in the faces of the wrong people. Why don't you take a step back, breathe and come back when you're refreshed.

[X-Era]

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Dude, you are all freaking riled up and spitting in the faces of the wrong people. Why don't you take a step back, breathe and come back when you're refreshed.

Hold up here.

Im only counter attacking the notions that the we could have easily fixed our current mess. I dont believe thats true without big trades, or spending big money.

Im making the arguement that if you dont want to spend big money or make big trades, you place your faith solely on the draft and its a crapshoot.

Thats like placing all your money in Enron stocks, it might work or it might go belly up.

We need to show the same intensity to the offseason that we need to show on the field. The car is built in the offseason, its road tested and tuned during the season. We have been basically in-effecient thus far.

Theres no blame here on Marv, hes too new, but there also isnt anything tangible to point to and say Marv made that move that fixed us in such and so a way. The draft is about it and that alone wont fix this team.

[OpIv37]

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I don't follow other teams and FA enough to really answer the question. But think about it this way: Does every OL and DL in the NFL blow as bad as ours? Obvious answer: No. That means there's guys out there who don't suck, and they're on teams that are NOT the Buffalo Bills. Did the Bills ever have the opportunity to build an OL that's as good as, say, NE's OL? Probably not, but to think that the Bills had no shot at any of the offensive or defensive linemen that are excelling for other teams is just plain ridiculous.

One example: Bryant McKinney was picked LATER in the same draft where we got Mike Williams. And we all know how that worked out.

[eyedog]

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Well since they already past on the Ngata @ Justice draft they could of had, we will look to next year with their 1st pick, and most likely a high one at that.

Long-Mich., Thomas-Wisc., Baker-S.Calif.

A couple of jr.'s there but will probably come out. Throw in Brown from Penn St.

There is your first pick. Unless of course there is some d-back or wide receiver we can't live without.

[ICE74129]

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Bottom line, TRADE THE **** UP TO GET TOP LINEMEN!

What would a top LT be worth? Two firsts? HELL YES! If some franchised cat comes available, give him a block buster deal and trade the damn picks. OR Move UP no matter what and get a guy like DBrick.


This **** of stay where we are and see what falls to us isn't going to cut it.

[ublinkwescore]

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Lines aren't exactly the easiest thing to build - especially on the O side.

They take time to Gel, any time you bring in a free agent signing, you better hope he doesn't get hurt (see Cleveland), and if you try to build them through the draft, it's gonna take the youth a couple seasons minimum to really hit their stride.

Either way, we're very possibly boned next year too - unless Levy can pull off a few moves like he tried this year (when he went after that guy who was franchised by Arizona - and then Arizona matched the offer)...

My point is, our best shot at getting a decent line in here next year would be through free agency, but we still need to draft heavily on the O line early in the draft to get the best possible prospects - unfortunately, we'll need to replace pretty much every one on the line minus Peters - they are unfortunately that bad - and I'd start with Villarial and Gandy.

[chernobylwraiths]

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It looks like the only way to improve the Oline is to give a boatload of money to a top FA. I think Ingtar even said this, that the only position that you can truely upgrade in FA better than in the draft is Oline, where it takes a couple years to even see if an Olineman will be any good. Mike Williams, Robert Gallery, Leonard Davis are all very high drafted Olinemen that are considered not very good but were considered a lock at draft time.

[Mahdi]

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Lines aren't exactly the easiest thing to build - especially on the O side.

They take time to Gel, any time you bring in a free agent signing, you better hope he doesn't get hurt (see Cleveland), and if you try to build them through the draft, it's gonna take the youth a couple seasons minimum to really hit their stride.

Either way, we're very possibly boned next year too - unless Levy can pull off a few moves like he tried this year (when he went after that guy who was franchised by Arizona - and then Arizona matched the offer)...

My point is, our best shot at getting a decent line in here next year would be through free agency, but we still need to draft heavily on the O line early in the draft to get the best possible prospects - unfortunately, we'll need to replace pretty much every one on the line minus Peters - they are unfortunately that bad - and I'd start with Villarial and Gandy.

I dont think we have to replace everyone on the O-line, Reyes and Folwer are doing well its Gandy and Villarial that need to go.

[ublinkwescore]

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I dont think we have to replace everyone on the O-line, Reyes and Folwer are doing well its Gandy and Villarial that need to go.

If the opportunity arises to upgrade them - and it will, I think we've got to go for it.

I think poor Oline play has been our biggest Achilles Heel for the almost the entire last decade.

I want to see some probowler Olinemen - yes after we've seen the crap that Buffalo has fielded, they will be worth the money.

[ublinkwescore]

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A good example (I'm not a drew fan either, but it helps me illustrate a point) - Drew Bledsoe has a line in Dallas (granted he will get fat on some sorry teams), and we all know Dallas will probably be in the playoffs this year.

[ublinkwescore]

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Come to think of it, I haven't heard Fowler's name at all this year - I mean litterally not once - that's usually a good sign for Olinemen.

Reyes, I've heard a couple times.

[Typ0]

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Bottom line, TRADE THE **** UP TO GET TOP LINEMEN!

What would a top LT be worth? Two firsts? HELL YES! If some franchised cat comes available, give him a block buster deal and trade the damn picks. OR Move UP no matter what and get a guy like DBrick.


This **** of stay where we are and see what falls to us isn't going to cut it.

we used a top pick on a LT. We paid him handsomly and ended up cutting him because he was a bust. Drafting at this position is not the answer. We need a stud FA at LT who has a healthy career.

OK...now going back to the jist of the thread...where is there one available?