Bills acquire DE Anthony Hargrove from Rams.

[PIZ]

Rams | Acquire draft pick for Hargrove
Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:59:33 -0700

StLouisRams.com reports the St. Louis Rams have acquired a fifth-round draft choice from the Buffalo Bills in exchange for DE Anthony Hargrove.

per KFFL

[BAM]

:scratch:

[THATHURMANATOR]

Don't know much about him. Per ESPN he was in the doghouse.

[Jeff1220]

Is this a good thing, or do things remain status quo? I don't know anything about him.

[djjimkelly]

well we finally have a non white DE. and im white so save the comments. but we need a brother on the DLINE becuz the white boys arent cutting it

[PECKERWOOD]

C'mon Buffalo, we need another DT not, another DE. Jefferson SUCKS.

[Mahdi]

C'mon Buffalo, we need another DT not, another DE. Jefferson SUCKS.
We need a DE more than we need a DT. We need to pressure QBs more.

[OpIv37]

C'mon Buffalo, we need another DT not, another DE. Jefferson SUCKS.

while I agree DT should be a bigger priority, the Kelsay/Denney combo opposite Schobel is just too inconsistent. If this guy can help the pass rush, it may be a good move (I don't know anything about him, though, so I can't really say if it's an upgrade or not).

[ICE74129]

Ok thats great, now where is the run stopping DT?

TRADE CLEMENTS!

[OpIv37]

We need a DE more than we need a DT. We need to pressure QBs more.

It's a "chicken or the egg" question. Pass D is irrelevant when teams can just run all over us.

[L.A. Playa]

he fell out of favor in ST Louis because he went AWOL during a practice week a few weeks ago, he had 6.5 sacks last year and he is young but considered a talented pass rusher

[OpIv37]

Ok thats great, now where is the run stopping DT?

TRADE CLEMENTS!

I'm all for it, but you and I both know it ain't gonna happen.

[PECKERWOOD]

It's a "chicken or the egg" question. Pass D is irrelevant when teams can just run all over us.
Not only that, sir. But a DT can collapse the pocket, forcing the QB back, making it much easier for our DE's to make plays..

[alohabillsfan]

McFrarland from TB is avail? Thoughts?

[ICE74129]

he fell out of favor in ST Louis because he went AWOL during a practice week a few weeks ago, he had 6.5 sacks last year and he is young but considered a talented pass rusher

Ah great, we trade for a psycho....nice...

[PECKERWOOD]

McFrarland from TB is avail? Thoughts?
I wish.. I would trade Clements for McFarland straight up. Too bad, TB isnt dumb enough to pull the trigger.

[patmoran2006]

C'mon Buffalo, we need another DT not, another DE. Jefferson SUCKS.
jefferson was in the backfield and around the piles more than Tripplett was Sunday, and he's about 17 million dollars cheaper.

I cant see hargrove being anything more than a 4th DE behind SChobel, Kelsay and Denney.

[ICE74129]

McFrarland from TB is avail? Thoughts? My thought is the Bills need to get the hell out of this 'so and so fits our system' Bull crap and get a guy that can plug a hole but still move.

[raphael120]

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[raphael120]

had a good year last year...i guess...

[HHURRICANE]

well we finally have a non white DE. and im white so save the comments. but we need a brother on the DLINE becuz the white boys arent cutting it

Dude, I was afraid to post this but you are right on!!!We have too many white pussys on the DL!!

[raphael120]

WE NEED AN OLINE STILL

[justasportsfan]

He had 6.5 sacks last year and .5 so far this year. There must be something that Kollar liked about him when he was coaching the Rams DL last year.

[PECKERWOOD]

jefferson was in the backfield and around the piles more than Tripplett was Sunday, and he's about 17 million dollars cheaper.

I cant see hargrove being anything more than a 4th DE behind SChobel, Kelsay and Denney.
That further proves that DT is a bigger need IMO. Who do we got thats any good at DT, name one person. =/

6.5 sacks in a year, really is not that good at all. I'm just flabbergasted by this move..

I wonder how many rushing yards NE is gonna rack up on us next sunday. Didnt Maroney and Dillon, run for a combined 200+ yards with a like 6.0ypc last time?

[HHURRICANE]

http://assets.buffalobills.com/uploads/players/3CB13E7D33224670A3DE9548CFABDDE7.jpg

PUSSY!!!


http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/492954.jpg

Mean SOB!!!!

[alohabillsfan]

http://assets.buffalobills.com/uploads/players/3CB13E7D33224670A3DE9548CFABDDE7.jpg

PUSSY!!!


http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/492954.jpg

Mean SOB!!!!



ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[raphael120]

i tell you what tho, i am doin well in fantasy by pickin up the RBs that play Buffalo each week, playin maroney this week

[Ickybaluky]

Hargrove is a tremendous athlete and has some pass rush skills, but is still a developing player. He declared early coming out of Georgia Tech after being declared academically ineligible to play football, and despite being very raw was drafted in the 3rd round by the Rams based on his athletic skills.

He does have maturity issues and the Rams have been frustrated with him not taking his job serious enough in the past. The incident earlier in the year came about because he stayed out all night at a casino and overslept, missing practice. He then didn't contact the team for a couple days, because he didn't have an excuse and didn't know what to do. That is an example of his lack of maturity.

However, athletically he is very gifted. He played QB in high school, and basically was converted to DE at Georgia Tech because he just kept growing. He has tremendous potential as a pass rusher based on his athleticism if he can improve his game instincts and technique.

[Ickybaluky]

BTW, Phil should lighten up on Marv not taking on a Randy Moss because of character questions, because Moss never stayed out all night and missed practice, and then made the situation worse by not contacting the team for 2 days because he knew he screwed up.

[PECKERWOOD]

i tell you what tho, i am doin well in fantasy by pickin up the RBs that play Buffalo each week, playin maroney this week

:roflmao:

[raphael120]

probably loves bein in buffalo now, youll see him in niagra falls blowin his money now

[Devin]

Hargrove is a tremendous athlete and has some pass rush skills, but is still a developing player. He declared early coming out of Georgia Tech after being declared academically ineligible to play football, and despite being very raw was drafted in the 3rd round by the Rams based on his athletic skills.

He does have maturity issues and the Rams have been frustrated with him not taking his job serious enough in the past. The incident earlier in the year came about because he stayed out all night at a casino and overslept, missing practice. He then didn't contact the team for a couple days, because he didn't have an excuse and didn't know what to do. That is an example of his lack of maturity.

However, athletically he is very gifted. He played QB in high school, and basically was converted to DE at Georgia Tech because he just kept growing. He has tremendous potential as a pass rusher based on his athleticism if he can improve his game instincts and technique.

Thanks NE39, I dont hate the move but seemingly like every player on this roster will have to wait to see if it was worth it.

On paper I guess it isnt to bad a move if his potential can be reached.

[Ickybaluky]

BTW, he missed a full year of football after being declared academically eligible in 2003. That probably set him back so having 6.5 sacks his 2nd year is pretty good. This year he was slated to start, but after going AWOL on the team they decided to get rif of him and he hasn't had a chance to play.

[alohabillsfan]

Next Move Trade Nate for a 2nd and a 3rd next year!

Trade (the aquired 3rd) for McFarland TB wants 1st day pick we will give them one!

Trade (low ball offer) for LT L. Davis who has lost favor with head coach Denny Green and when Arizona called around this week shopping the behemoth lineman it was for, "a pick or a player" or as another NFC GM said, "for pretty much anything, they seemed like they were just trying to unload him.)"

[Kerr]

He wasn't a starter this year because of the incident, but last year as a starter he did a solid job racking up 6.5 sacks. Did someone say that's nothing good? That's more than kelsay and denney have ever racked up. He played right side for the rams, so I don't know what they'll do with him. Probably just a pass rusher on 3rd down is all. Still, I like the move. It's something for a struggling pass rush. Nobody can deny the line has struggled rushing the passer since week 2.

[justasportsfan]

Thanks NE39, I dont hate the move but seemingly like every player on this roster will have to wait to see if it was worth it.

On paper I guess it isnt to bad a move if his potential can be reached.looks like another Fowler/Reyes type of signing. Young with potential. Another Project. :ill: At least Kollar knows the guy.

[Voltron]

We need a bunch of help on the O-line ... not the D-line as much.

[BillsNick]

He's a big boy too. Certainly can't hurt us.

[Mahdi]

Is the problem in our run D that we dont have a DT that can stop the run, or is it that we dont have a MLB that can fill gaps properly in run support. Dont get me wrong, I love fletcher but he might not be strong enough to hold up in the run game in this system. From what I see its not that we need a certain player to improve our run D its our Gap control that is lacking. And IMO although Im going to contradict myself right now, I think a bigger more physical MLB would help. Also I still think that its taking a bit longer than we would like for our front 7 to fully get a hang of how they are supposed to stop the run in this scheme.

[Jan Reimers]

He was a 3rd round pick in 2004 and a starter at DE for the Rams. Could be a good pickup if we can keep him from escaping.

[LtBillsFan66]

He he a high character player?

[blackonyx89]

Dude, I was afraid to post this but you are right on!!!We have too many white pussys on the DL!!

That's how I feel. The Bills need some black dudes with attiudes but team players. All that college educated clean cut guys is nice, but you gotta have some edge! The Bills sorely lack that.

[Mahdi]

I wouldnt mind getting L. Davis in here, moving Reyes back to RG where he played in Carolina and putting Davis at LG. Then we can move Peters to LT and put Butler or Pennington at RT.

[Ickybaluky]

He he a high character player?

He doesn't have any criminal issues I'm aware of, but does have maturity questions and isn't reputed to be the brightest light in the sky. However, DE isn't a position that requires a great deal of intelligence (see Manley, Dexter).

His selling point is his athleticism, which is top-notch.

[Kerr]

He doesn't have any criminal issues I'm aware of, but does have maturity questions and isn't reputed to be the brightest light in the sky. However, DE isn't a position that requires a great deal of intelligence (see Manley, Dexter).

His selling point is his athleticism, which is top-notch.

Athleticism-Most of the league top pass rushers are athletic.

We don't have any athletic pass rushers.

[Thurmal]

That's how I feel. The Bills need some black dudes with attiudes but team players. All that college educated clean cut guys is nice, but you gotta have some edge! The Bills sorely lack that.
All of you talking about how our line is too white are stupid. Kelsay, Denney, and Schobel have a combined 10 sacks this year. They are also the top three sack leaders on our team.

[Ron Burgundy]

I don't give a **** if he's purple with pink polka dots if he can get to the quarterback consistantly.

[alohabillsfan]

He doesn't have any criminal issues I'm aware of, but does have maturity questions and isn't reputed to be the brightest light in the sky. However, DE isn't a position that requires a great deal of intelligence (see Manley, Dexter).

His selling point is his athleticism, which is top-notch.


Great here goes, I would rather win with the freaking criminals than to have the best good sports, baby kissing, helping students and feeding the homeless 4-12 scrubs dammit!

Dammit Marv find us football players for crying out loud they ain't running for congress!

[Dr. Lecter]

I don't give a **** if he's purple with pink polka dots if he can get to the quarterback consistantly.

Damn.

You occassionaly do say something smart.

I owe Stratton 5 dollars.

[madness]

Good pickup if they can straighten out whatever issues he over St. Louis. He almost had the starting position won before he went AWOL.

[Dr. Lecter]

FBH will be upset, as Stamer was placed on IR to make room.

[TigerJ]

Hargrove is easily and upgrade over Eric Powell, the guy on the roster whom Hargrove is obviously going to replace. Powell has basically been an emergency backup. Hargrove will be in a rotation with Shobel IMHO and by giving Schobel some rest will make him more effective. He is also capable of pressuring the QB in his own right. This is hardly a major upgrade, but Hargrove can make a modest difference, and he is easily worth the 5th round pick he cost Buffalo. Granted, Buffalo still needs help in other areas (DT and OT).

[X-Era]

Rams | Acquire draft pick for Hargrove
Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:59:33 -0700

StLouisRams.com reports the St. Louis Rams have acquired a fifth-round draft choice from the Buffalo Bills in exchange for DE Anthony Hargrove.

per KFFL

And the mediocrity continues.

If this was John Abraham thats one thing, what the hell has this guy ever done?

This is not a serious enough upgrade my friends, if its an upgrade at all.

Its more of the same and not good enough.

[Ickybaluky]

BTW, one thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Hargrove is a Restricted FA after this season. The Bills get to look at him after this year and then keep his rights for 2007 with a tender offer.

How high that tender is will probably depend on how well he plays. If the Bills tender him the lowest amount ($712K this year, a little more next year), they would receive a 3rd round pick in return from another team if they chose to sign him to a contract the Bills did not want to match. With a mid-level tender ($1.552M this year) they receive a 1st round comp pick and a high-level tender ($2.069M this year) would provide a 1st and 3rd round comp pick if a team signed Hargrove to a contract the Bills did not wish to match.

Hargrove would likely be a low tender player, so the Bills got him for fairly short money for a season and a half before he reaches free agency in return for their 5th round pick.

[Coach Sal]

I knew Tony when he was in high school (he went by Tony until a few years ago).

He played at a local rival. I coached against him, and his defensive coordinator in HS is a very good friend of mine. They still keep in touch. Anyway, he is a phenomenal athlete for his size. He was a QB and Safety in HS and was a really good basketball player. He originally went to Georgia Tech but only played a couple years due to failing grades (as mentioned). He made some bad decisions (nothing earth-shattering) that really hurt his collegiate career.

But I give him credit. He worked his ass off while he was away from the game and still got himself drafted.

He was Leonard Little's backup his first season, then started most of last year at DE. He fell out of favor with the new coaching staff when he missed practice without letting anyone know earlier this season.

I like the pickup for personal reasons, and I do think he'll help our depth situation. But he's not a run-stuffer.
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[HHURRICANE]

I knew Tony when he was in high school (he went by Tony until a few years ago).

He played at a local rival. I coached against him, and his defensive coordinator in HS is a very good friend of mine. They still keep in touch. Anyway, he is a phenomenal athlete for his size. He was a QB and Safety in HS and was a really good basketball player. He originally went to Georgia Tech but only played a couple years due to failing grades (as mentioned). He made some bad decisions (nothing earth-shattering) that really hurt his collegiate career.

But I give him credit. He worked his ass off while he was away from the game and still got himself drafted.

He was Leonard Little's backup his first season, then started most of last year at DE. He fell out of favor with the new coaching staff when he missed practice without letting anyone know earlier this season.

I like the pickup for personal reasons, and I do think he'll help our depth situation. But he's not a run-stuffer.
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Apparantly he is a ****ty black jack player!!!

He needs to stck with the one armed bandits.

:box:

[Tatonka]

Hargrove is a tremendous athlete and has some pass rush skills, but is still a developing player. He declared early coming out of Georgia Tech after being declared academically ineligible to play football, and despite being very raw was drafted in the 3rd round by the Rams based on his athletic skills.

He does have maturity issues and the Rams have been frustrated with him not taking his job serious enough in the past. The incident earlier in the year came about because he stayed out all night at a casino and overslept, missing practice. He then didn't contact the team for a couple days, because he didn't have an excuse and didn't know what to do. That is an example of his lack of maturity.

However, athletically he is very gifted. He played QB in high school, and basically was converted to DE at Georgia Tech because he just kept growing. He has tremendous potential as a pass rusher based on his athleticism if he can improve his game instincts and technique.

how bad is it here when the best poster on the board (ie. posting good info, unbiased, and not pissing moaning) is a NE fan.

[HHURRICANE]

All of you talking about how our line is too white are stupid. Kelsay, Denney, and Schobel have a combined 10 sacks this year. They are also the top three sack leaders on our team.

Do you watch the games or do you get your stats in brail?!! These guys suck!! 4 of their sacks came against Miami. Matter-of-fact all of Denney's were against Miami. So that means they have had 6 in the other 5 games?!!

Denney has had 13.5 sacks in 5 years. 2.7 a year!!!

Kelsay has had 11 sacks in 4 years. 2.7 a year!!!

[blackonyx89]

[quote=Thurmal]All of you talking about how our line is too white are stupid. Kelsay, Denney, and Schobel have a combined 10 sacks this year. They are also the top three sack leaders on our team.

They're still soft! Why do you think they went out and got Hargrove?

[patmoran2006]

Since it's apparently illegal for the Bills to acquire a quality defensive end post Bruce Smith/Phil Hansen... This guy will probably rotate with Ryan Denney to take Kelsay's place after he becomes a free agent at season's end.

[YardRat]

I'll reserve judgement on him until I see him play in a Bill's uniform.

[Coach Sal]

Tony will be the kind of player that will make a big play for us (sack, forced fumble, etc.), then get abused the very next play by a big, strong lineman.

He can make plays in our defensive system if they use him as a pass rusher and let him pin his ears back (which is what the "Tampa-2" DE's are supposed to be able to do most of the time). Otherwise, it would be a wasted trade.