Dollar for dollar

[the REAL Rudeman]

JP Losman ranks among the worst QBs to ever play the game, along with Rob Johnson and Ryan Leaf.

Why have we had two of the three?

[Philagape]

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Gotta add Drew Brees to that list.




Oh I'm sorry, had a flashback to 2003 there.

[mikemac2001]

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ya drew brees sucked early on...so did alot of qb's

[The_Philster]

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ya drew brees sucked early on...so did alot of qb's

How dare you enter facts into the argument!!

[TacklingDummy]

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JP Losman ranks among the worst QBs to ever play the game, along with Rob Johnson and Ryan Leaf.

Why have we had two of the three?

Rocket Arm
Can Scramble
Can't read a defense
O-line fault
Coaches fault
Youth
Upside
Potential
Athletic Ability
Bust


History repeating itself over again.

[the REAL Rudeman]

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Peyton Manning was 13-3 in his second season. Tom Brady was 11-4 in his second season, having had only one start the year before.

JP aint all that young anymore.

[The_Philster]

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Peyton Manning was 13-3 in his second season. Tom Brady was 11-4 in his second season, having had only one start the year before.

JP aint all that young anymore.

and what talent did they have surrounding them?




Yeah...I thought so
It's a team game in the NFL...this ain't fantasy football

[the REAL Rudeman]

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a decent QB will make everyone around them better. But a ****bird like JP exacerbates a weakness that wouldn't necessarily be there.

[unpaid_bills]

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JP is not one of the worst of all time, not even the worst Bill. How about Billy Joe Hobert, Todd Collins.

The one thing that dissappionted me most. The OL play especially Gandy he wiffed many blocks. They tried the extra TE did not seem to help. Until we improve the OL and blocking schemes it does not really matter who we have back there. I personally like JP he has a lot of things to learn but at least showed some promise this year (except for the last 2 games) lets give the guy a little slack - see how he does this week with the back against the wall against the Pats. Look at it this way - he is the best chance we have for now - the only way he is gonna improve is to play.

[the REAL Rudeman]

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I admire your enthusiams, Unpaid. But the best chance we have of moving the ball down the field is to keep punting and hope for the fumble recovery.

[YardRat]

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and what talent did they have surrounding them?




Yeah...I thought so
It's a team game in the NFL...this ain't fantasy football

I'm tiring of hearing the 'surrounding talent' argument.

Could the o-line be better? Yes. Could the defense be better, especially on the line? Yes. Could the play-calling or coaching in general be better? Yes. Could we use another quality receiving threat opposite Evans? Yes.

Give this team the best of all worlds as far as surrounding talent, though, and ANYBODY could be the QB of the Buffalo Bills. We could win with Holcomb or Nall if the rest of the roster was chock full of studs and stars. Just ask Brian Billick, Joe Gibbs, Chuck Noll, Mike Ditka, John Gruden, John Madden, Don Shula, Vince Lombardi, etc.

Is that all JP, a QB we traded up into the first round to snag, is supposed to be? Serviceable? Why the hell should the team pay first round money for 'adequacy' instead of excellence?

Star QB's in this league, one's worth the big money and status, make the team around them better by making plays when the world IS NOT perfect between the lines on the gridiron. Big time, franchise-type QB's have the ability to carry a team, not come along for the ride.

They lead, not follow. They will their teams to a better performance, and victories. They overcome the mistakes of others, not ask others to overcome the errors they make.

If all anyone is looking for out of JP is to be average or below and ride shotgun through the season, fine...those are your standards and your opinions and you're welcome to them.

I expect more out of JP. I expect him to to lead, and lead by example and performance. Thus far he hasn't shown the ability to do that, and that's disappointing.

[the REAL Rudeman]

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well said, my friend. well said.

[Jan Reimers]

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It is premature and totally without supporting fact to refer to Losman, "dollar for dollar," as "among the worst QBs to ever play the game. . . "

The only "worst" going on here is this ill-conceived and totally useless thread. It adds nothing relevant to any intelligent discussion of Bills' football.

[alohabillsfan]

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Dollar for Dollar

JP=$425000.00
Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rate
2004 Buffalo Bills 4 0 5 3 60.0 32 6.40 17 0 1 39.2
2005 Buffalo Bills 9 8 228 113 49.6 1340 5.88 58 8 8 64.9
2006 Buffalo Bills 6 6 172 106 61.6 1121 6.52 51 6 5 80.1

ELI=$1641000.00
Year Team GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rate
2004 New York 9 7 197 95 48.2 1043 5.29 52 6 9 55.4
2005 New York 16 16 557 294 52.8 3762 6.75 78 24 17 75.9
2006 New York 5 5 176 115 65.3 1329 7.55 46 11 7 92.3

BIG BEN=$655500.00
Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rate
2004 Pittsburgh 14 13 295 196 66.4 2621 8.88 58 17 11 98.1
2005 Pittsburgh 12 12 268 168 62.7 2385 8.90 85 17 9 98.6
2006 Pittsburgh 4 4 121 71 58.7 807 6.67 50 2 7 60.2


Want to know the real rip off Carr 5.25 Million!

[the REAL Rudeman]

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It is premature and totally without supporting fact to refer to Losman, "dollar for dollar," as "among the worst QBs to ever play the game. . . "

The only "worst" going on here is this ill-conceived and totally useless thread. It adds nothing relevant to any intelligent discussion of Bills' football.

Attack the poster, not the post.