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[THATHURMANATOR]

Only possible scenarios.

No discussing past moves that weren't made.

[OpIv37]

Jason Peters.

We've had him playing the same position for 16 straight games now- that's a waste of his talent.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Jason Peters.

We've had him playing the same position for 16 straight games now- that's a waste of his talent.
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[patmoran2006]

if the kid from Tampa Bay keeps playing like this, they might not throw big money at CHris Simms who will be a free agent , so he could be a possiblity... Matt Schaub could possibly be had, I dont think Atlanta will pay him big money to be a backup as a RFA..

If we were to somehow completely go into the tank and Brady Quinn was available in the draft, it would take me about 3.2 seconds to put his name down..

[Gunzlingr]

Chris 'No Spleen' Simms? With his 46.6 QB rating? 1 TD & 7 INT Chris Simms?? Are you ****ing high or something?

[patmoran2006]

LOL there you guys go with "stats" again..

You want stats? People DIS Losman if they compare him to Rob Johnson. I got news for you.. Rob Johnson was A LOT better than Losman if you want to throw out STATS as your measuring stick..

In his first 14 starts as a Bill, Losman has completed 54.7% of his passes, thrown 12 TDs and 13 interceptions.. He's rushed for 216 yards.

Rob Johnson in his first 14 starts as a Bill completed 63.2% of his passes.. He threw 17 touchdowns and just FIVE interceptions.. And he ran for 323 yards.

My point.. Stats dont mean ****.. Simms played real well last year and led Tampa to the Playoffs...... ANd this year, Tampa's line is so bad it makes Buffalo's look like the 2005 Seahawks...

Stats are OVERATED when it comes to quarterbacking... Give me a quarterback who's intelligent, who will be patient and poised and lead his team..

[THATHURMANATOR]

if the kid from Tampa Bay keeps playing like this, they might not throw big money at CHris Simms who will be a free agent , so he could be a possiblity... Matt Schaub could possibly be had, I dont think Atlanta will pay him big money to be a backup as a RFA..

If we were to somehow completely go into the tank and Brady Quinn was available in the draft, it would take me about 3.2 seconds to put his name down..
Chris Simms is a laughable option....

Schaub is something I would consider but at what cost could he be had? and he is totally unproven(remember Rob Johnson played a couple good games before the Bills gave away the house for him)

Quinn of course(although he isn't lighting the world on fire this year).

[Gunzlingr]

LOL there you guys go with "stats" again..

You want stats? People DIS Losman if they compare him to Rob Johnson. I got news for you.. Rob Johnson was A LOT better than Losman if you want to throw out STATS as your measuring stick..

In his first 14 starts as a Bill, Losman has completed 54.7% of his passes, thrown 12 TDs and 13 interceptions.. He's rushed for 216 yards.

Rob Johnson in his first 14 starts as a Bill completed 63.2% of his passes.. He threw 17 touchdowns and just FIVE interceptions.. And he ran for 323 yards.

My point.. Stats dont mean ****.. Simms played real well last year and led Tampa to the Playoffs...... ANd this year, Tampa's line is so bad it makes Buffalo's look like the 2005 Seahawks...

Stats are OVERATED when it comes to quarterbacking... Give me a quarterback who's intelligent, who will be patient and poised and lead his team..

He had a decent year in 3 seasons (granted he didn't play a full season 2 years), but this is the guy who was whimpering when getting tackled by Baltimore, in 19 games has thrown 12 tds and 17 Ints and 6 lost fumbles. Doesnt sound any better than what we have.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Enough with Simms. I have watched a bunch of his games. He looks to have the same Problems JP has. Why get another JP is you all hate JP?

[justasportsfan]

if the kid from Tampa Bay keeps playing like this, they might not throw big money at CHris Simms who will be a free agent , so he could be a possiblity... Matt Schaub could possibly be had, I dont think Atlanta will pay him big money to be a backup as a RFA..

If we were to somehow completely go into the tank and Brady Quinn was available in the draft, it would take me about 3.2 seconds to put his name down.. Let's grab another unproven and play project all over again. :rolleyes: NO thanks. I'd rather keep the project we have right now.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Enough with Simms. I have watched a bunch of his games. He looks to have the same Problems JP has. Why get another JP if you all hate JP?

[LtBillsFan66]

Jared Lorenzen!

[Gunzlingr]

Let's grab another unproven and play project all over again. :rolleyes: NO thanks. I'd rather keep the project we have right now.


Enough with Simms. I have watched a bunch of his games. He looks to have the same Problems JP has. Why get another JP is you all hate JP?

This is exactly my point!

[kernowboy]

Kyle Wright 1st round 2008 draft

I see us sticking with JP til then. Although the QB class of 2007 is quite deep we have far more fundamental problems than QB to worry about starting with both lines, and tight end. With only 6 picks, another QB of the future is a luxury item in 2007.

and there is nothing to look forward to in free agency either

[Earthquake Enyart]

I love Troy Smith.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I read that the only Starting left tackle in the league that has not had his contract extended is Mike Gandy.... NOT GOOD....

[X-Era]

Enough with Simms. I have watched a bunch of his games. He looks to have the same Problems JP has. Why get another JP is you all hate JP?

Facts are facts, without a blockbuster trade, we will end up with someone no better than Losman.

Now if you want to talk blockbuster trade, Im all ears.

[patmoran2006]

I read that the only Starting left tackle in the league that has not had his contract extended is Mike Gandy.... NOT GOOD....
as of now, there are really good OTs set to become UFA's after the season.. Upgrading at left tackle will have to come via a trade, early in the draft, or maybe moving Peters to the left side next year and find a right tackle..

I dont know.. but that doesnt look good.
THere are TWO players in the FA market I'd love to get our hands on.
Dwight Freeney, who would INSTANTLY improve our front seven, and one of two TE's, Jeremey Stevens or Daniel Graham.

[L.A. Playa]

welcome to the Jake Plummer era

[PECKERWOOD]

I started a topic called "Ok, lets get rid of Losman", yesterday. Pretty much asked the same question. Nobody had a good solution, yet everyone wants to get rid of him. I would not even consider Simms if he were available. And I pitty anybody who wants Shaub to replace JP. The only other option, is to draft a QB. I will support this team no matter what, but if we draft another QB we have to watch this same scenario unfold all over again. When are we ever going to learn? We need to upgrade the trenches on both sides of the ball, untill then, we will be lucky to breach .500.

[THATHURMANATOR]

as of now, there are really good OTs set to become UFA's after the season.. Upgrading at left tackle will have to come via a trade, early in the draft, or maybe moving Peters to the left side next year and find a right tackle..


Who?

[HHURRICANE]

Okay, for the record:

1) How anyone has or wants Chris Simms in a Bills uniform has be totally baffled. The kid was sucking it up big time and looked worse than JP did last year.

2) Shaub is a stud. The Falcons wouldn't give him up for Abraham. They ain't giving him up for anything we got.

3) If it's true that aren't going to be any LT's in UFA than Peters is playing LT. PERIOD. we can't wait another without one.

4) How many TE's do we need to carousel through Buffalo. I for one will never watch another game if we bring yet another TE in. We have two right now that are being under used.

[patmoran2006]

Who?
Oops I meant.. as of now, there ARENT good tackles in the FA market

[THATHURMANATOR]

By the way I'm glad we got rid of Rueben Brown. He looked terrible in his 13th year with Chicago. Ughhh!!!
I said no bringing up past moves DAMMIT!!!

[HHURRICANE]

I said no bringing up past moves DAMMIT!!!

I fixed it. I'm sorry!!! And I just thanked you for keeping it positive.:crap:

[RedEyE]

Chris Simms!!!! Chris Simms is a step up from Losman??? Give me a break.


Schaub has had 3 good games and 2 bad games backing up Vick. I can't say whether or not he is a step up from Losman. Maybe vick wil get jacked up again and we can see him play the remainder of the season to better judge.

There isn't another QB out there right now that is available and can come in here and put up better numbers then JP.

If the Bills want to put better talent at QB then they're just going to have to pry a big name guy away from anothr team via trade, or gamble on yet another QB prospect in the draft.

Those are your options.

[RedEyE]

One QB that I would consider going after is Charlie Batch. I think he has enough ability and experience to get a team far in the NFL. Outside of that I have no one.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Charlie Batch is old and washed up Red. NO Thanks.

[RedEyE]

Charlie Batch is old and washed up Red. NO Thanks.

Really he's not. He's in his 9th year in the league and has played only 4 full seasons with the Lions. I'd take him while we groom another youngun' then slide him back into a back-up roll. His numbers while in Detroit outmatch Losman year-for-year, thus far.

Still a band-aide and far from a cure.

[THATHURMANATOR]

These Numbers don't look that great to me. Plus they are from 5 years ago....

1998 DET 12 173 303 57.1 2178 7.2 11 6 83.5
1999 DET 11 151 270 55.9 1957 7.2 13 7 84.1
2000 DET 15 221 412 53.6 2489 6.0 13 15 67.3
2001 DET 10 198 341 58.1 2392 7.0 12 12 76.8

[Earthquake Enyart]

So we should just keep him, even though he blows and will never win?

[PECKERWOOD]

Really he's not. He's in his 9th year in the league and has played only 4 full seasons with the Lions. I'd take him while we groom another youngun' then slide him back into a back-up roll. His numbers while in Detroit outmatch Losman year-for-year, thus far.

Still a band-aide and far from a cure.
Its established that Batch is a journeyman, QB. Atleast with Losman your not 100% sure what you have yet, he has the potential to be a solid starting QB.

[THATHURMANATOR]

So we should just keep him, even though he blows and will never win?
Until something better comes along.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Until something better comes along.
How do we know Nall isn't better if he never plays?

[THATHURMANATOR]

Are you serious?

[Earthquake Enyart]

Yes.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I would honestly rather give Losman the full season.

[Earthquake Enyart]

You're not convinced that he blows?

If he plays the same all season, what do we do next year?

[THATHURMANATOR]

I am not convinced he blows. I don't think he will ever be a star but I think he could be good enough.

What do we do? We draft a new QB or hope a decent Vet is cut or available through trade. If we are reduced to hoping Nall Ball is the savior we are in even bigger trouble than I imagined.

[Ickybaluky]

You might offer Jacksonville a draft pick for David Garrard to see if they are willing to deal him (they have been willing before, but want decent comp). He is locked up at affordable dollars through 2008, but if Jacksonville works out an extenstion with Byron Leftwich he would be a chip they could use to make themselves better, and they like their 3rd string QB (Quinn Gray, a very similar player to Garrard).

Big kid, strong arm and good mobility. Has some playing experience. Came from a smaller program (East Carolina) and has shown progress developing and won games when Leftwish was hurt. If you aren't completely certain about JP after the season, you can bring him in to compete and he would be a solid backup if he gets beat out.

Makes sense to me, anyway.

[Earthquake Enyart]

He reminds me of Rick Mirer. :ill:

[Ickybaluky]

Charlie Batch is old and washed up Red. NO Thanks.

Some think of him as washed up, I like to think of him as a 10th-year rookie who hasn't receive proper coaching.

[Ickybaluky]

Garrard is a lot bigger and has a stronger arm than Mirer. He has real upside because he came out of college raw with a lot of tools but lacking experience.

The fact he has led teams to wins is a boost for him, as he has displayed leadership. Given his game experience and his showing improvement in the last few years, he is worth a look.

Heck, if Leftwich doesn't have a good year this season I wouldn't be surprised if Jacksonville writes him off and goes with Garrard. Granted, I don't think that happens, but it is possible.

[Gunzlingr]

Gerrard is interesting, but the last QB we got from Jacksonville :ill:

[Earthquake Enyart]

Garrard is a lot bigger and has a stronger arm than Mirer. He has real upside because he came out of college raw with a lot of tools but lacking experience.

The fact he has led teams to wins is a boost for him, as he has displayed leadership. Given his game experience and his showing improvement in the last few years, he is worth a look.

Heck, if Leftwich doesn't have a good year this season I wouldn't be surprised if Jacksonville writes him off and goes with Garrard. Granted, I don't think that happens, but it is possible.
I meant JP reminds me of Mirer.

Garrard and Schawb are pretty much the only backups that would be worth something. Besides Nall.

[mchurchfie]

Only possible scenarios.

No discussing past moves that weren't made.
Trade him for a lifesize poster of Jim Kelly and a bag of chips.

[HHURRICANE]

I meant JP reminds me of Mirer.

Garrard and Schawb are pretty much the only backups that would be worth something. Besides Nall.

Dude the Nall thing is getting old. Nal is sitting on the bench for a reason. He sucks. Why would replace Losman with someone who's worse? That's why he's the #3 QB and not the #2 QB.

[Typ0]

We passed on taking either one of TWO stud QBs in the last draft to have them waiting and learning JUST IN CASE JP didn't cut it...and now we're going to trade draft picks for a crappy FA QB or go with Jake Plummer. Yeah, I like our chances.

[THATHURMANATOR]

We passed on taking either one of TWO stud QBs in the last draft to have them waiting and learning JUST IN CASE JP didn't cut it...and now we're going to trade draft picks for a crappy FA QB or go with Jake Plummer. Yeah, I like our chances.
First post I have every groaned at. I told you not to talk about things that were in the past.....

[THATHURMANATOR]

None of the options given sound all that much better than JP currently...

[Typ0]

First post I have every groaned at. I told you not to talk about things that were in the past.....

I know what you said :bandwagon

[BillsFever21]

if the kid from Tampa Bay keeps playing like this, they might not throw big money at CHris Simms who will be a free agent , so he could be a possiblity... Matt Schaub could possibly be had, I dont think Atlanta will pay him big money to be a backup as a RFA..

If we were to somehow completely go into the tank and Brady Quinn was available in the draft, it would take me about 3.2 seconds to put his name down..

You mean the Chris Simms with John Gruden as his HC that had 1 TD and 7 INT's this season before getting injured? That would be a HUGE improvement over 7 TD's and 5 INT's with Dick Jauron leading the troops.

[THATHURMANATOR]

None of the options given sound all that much better than JP currently...

[RedEyE]

Bottom line is our best option is to beef up the offensive line and shell out big money to a high dollar TE. Hang onto McGahee and doing all of that could make Losman look like Brett Favre 8 years younger.

[BillsFever21]

Pat's solution to upgrade over JP Losman is Chris Simms. Yeah, we would be far better off. That is just too damn funny.

Chris Simms has had John Gruden coaching him for 3 seasons and he's worse then JP Losman who has had Mike Mularkey and Dick Jauron.

JP has made some great plays this year. Fix the OL and get a real coach on this team that can manage a game and call plays that will keep the defense honest and on their toes and he will be that much better.

We have junk at HC, OL and WR and JP is still out there making big plays. Anyone who can sit there and say he's the reason why we're losing just has pure hatred and blames everything on the QB.

JP was the ONLY reason why we were in the game against the Lions on Sunday. He's the only one who made any plays out there. Nobody else did that's for sure.

[Ron Burgundy]

if the kid from Tampa Bay keeps playing like this, they might not throw big money at CHris Simms who will be a free agent , so he could be a possiblity... Matt Schaub could possibly be had, I dont think Atlanta will pay him big money to be a backup as a RFA..

If we were to somehow completely go into the tank and Brady Quinn was available in the draft, it would take me about 3.2 seconds to put his name down..

No Simms, he's the next Losman.

Schaub comes from the finest learning institution in the country but I'm not sold on him as a full-time starter...he is an upgrade, though.

And as far as the next draft goes, Troy > Brady

[patmoran2006]

Pat's solution to upgrade over JP Losman is Chris Simms. Yeah, we would be far better off. That is just too damn funny.

Chris Simms has had John Gruden coaching him for 3 seasons and he's worse then JP Losman who has had Mike Mularkey and Dick Jauron.

JP has made some great plays this year. Fix the OL and get a real coach on this team that can manage a game and call plays that will keep the defense honest and on their toes and he will be that much better.

We have junk at HC, OL and WR and JP is still out there making big plays. Anyone who can sit there and say he's the reason why we're losing just has pure hatred and blames everything on the QB.

JP was the ONLY reason why we were in the game against the Lions on Sunday. He's the only one who made any plays out there. Nobody else did that's for sure.
LOL, are you serious!!!!!!!! JP is the ONLY one who threw the ball in the first quarter DIRECTLY into Dre Bly's numbers .. He's the only one who threw a TELEGRAPHED (his fourth in five quarters) an interception after Mr Tunnel Vision himself locked into Lee Evans.. He's the ONLY one who nearly got Willis McGahee's head taken off because he's incapable of having any touch on a four yard pass.. He's the ONLY ONE who THREE TIMES in a ROW threw the ball SHORT of the first down marker on third down.. He's the ONLY one who on THREE Of his five sacks held on to the ball forever.. he's the oNLY ONE who nearly took us out of field goal range after McGee's 72 yard return because he likes to hold on to the ball for 8 hours.. He's the ONLY ONE who sulks like a little ***** on the sideline when a tackle or guard misses a block or someone drops a pass or he makes a mistake, because he has ZERO and I do mean ZERO leadership qualities.. (which is MORE PREVELANT over anything else I've said)

And if you want to play "Stat Boy" When it comes to Simms numbers THIS YEAR, then see my earlier post, when Rob Johnson's "stats" wipe the floor with Losman's stats after their first 14 starts..

your hard on for Losman is getting ridiculous.. You like to blame 52 other players and an entire coaching staff and front office, yet you refuse to blame the quarterback, when we have guards, rookie safeties and a ****in PUNTER who's a better leader than he is.

[patmoran2006]

and by the way, even though he looks great now.. Dont be surprised to see Chad Pennington on the open market this off-season...

Or Trent Green just to name a few more..

[Jeff1220]

Heck, if Leftwich doesn't have a good year this season I wouldn't be surprised if Jacksonville writes him off and goes with Garrard. Granted, I don't think that happens, but it is possible.

The last few days, I've been wondering about this same scenario w/Vick in Atlanta. Word is (PFT, so take it for what it is) that the OC and DC there almost had a Buddy Ryan/Kevin Gilbride moment and that Knapp, the OC, is blaming Vick for the offensive woes. If Atlanta were to trade Vick, they could get a whole lot in talent and picks, then plug Schaub in as QB. Despite Vick's struggles, I'm sure some team out there would sell the farm for him based on his talent and, more importantly, his ability to bring in revenue (ticket and Jersey sales, anyone?). If I were the Atlanta FO (ie.ABlank), I'd take a serious look at this situation. They could be set up with loads of talent for years to come, and still be solid at the QB position.

[Ickybaluky]

The last few days, I've been wondering about this same scenario w/Vick in Atlanta. Word is (PFT, so take it for what it is) that the OC and DC there almost had a Buddy Ryan/Kevin Gilbride moment and that Knapp, the OC, is blaming Vick for the offensive woes. If Atlanta were to trade Vick, they could get a whole lot in talent and picks, then plug Schaub in as QB. Despite Vick's struggles, I'm sure some team out there would sell the farm for him based on his talent and, more importantly, his ability to bring in revenue (ticket and Jersey sales, anyone?). If I were the Atlanta FO (ie.ABlank), I'd take a serious look at this situation. They could be set up with loads of talent for years to come, and still be solid at the QB position.

That would surprise me because:

1) Michael Vick is very marketable, and in Atlanta it isn't easy selling tickets. They played to a half-filled house for years before Vick arrived, and they have built their whole marketing campaign around the guy.

2) They signed Vick to a huge contract and would take big dead-money cap charges if they got rid of him. On top of that, they would have to pay Schaub good money if they tabbed him to start.

If Atlanta has a dissapointing year, I'd bet the coaching staff gets axed before Vick goes.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Pennington would be decent I suppose but he is getting older.

Green definite upgrade but why would he be available? He is also over 35

[patmoran2006]

He'd be available cause Brodie Croyle may be ready next year..

Someone like Green would be a good QB for the Bills ONLY if they were to draft a young QB and groom him for 1-2 years while a vet like Green showed him the ropes

[THATHURMANATOR]

He'd be available cause Brodie Croyle may be ready next year..

Someone like Green would be a good QB for the Bills ONLY if they were to draft a young QB and groom him for 1-2 years while a vet like Green showed him the ropes
So we rebuild for another 2 to 3 years then?

[kernowboy]

If a vet gets cut for cap reasons and I do possibly like Pennington as an option then we can use the 2007 draft to focus on the OL with maybe a couple of DL players, get a TE in free agency and maybe look at a QB in R1 in 2008. I don't think we should draft another young QB until we know he has a good line in front of him. Pennington has played with a couple of OL rookies this season and has played with leadership. I would like us to sign an outdoor cold weather QB vet though.

[patmoran2006]

So we rebuild for another 2 to 3 years then?
No.. not at all.. You play a vet like Green who knows what he's doing while the rookie (or whatever young guy) is on the bench learning from him.

[patmoran2006]

and im not saying this will happen.. Im answering the question you posed in your thread

[THATHURMANATOR]

Understood but it seems as if people are asking for something without looking towards the consequences...

[patmoran2006]

IF we were to rid ourselves of Losman next year for whatever reason, I wouldnt want a rookie starting.. I'd want to draft a rookie and bring a veteran into play for 1-2 years..

[justasportsfan]

IF we were to rid ourselves of Losman next year for whatever reason, I wouldnt want a rookie starting.. I'd want to draft a rookie and bring a veteran into play for 1-2 years..
that is still a risk. What's the difference with the risk we're taking now?

[patmoran2006]

The risk is he spends the next 3-4 years playing exactly how he plays now.. we will NEVER be a playoff team unless Losman improves, ****ty line or not.. He turns the ball over TOO MUCH between tunnel vision picks and fumbles..

Unless he improves.. WHether he can and will I suppose is up to the staff.

[Gunzlingr]

The risk is he spends the next 3-4 years playing exactly how he plays now.. we will NEVER be a playoff team unless Losman improves, ****ty line or not.. He turns the ball over TOO MUCH between tunnel vision picks and fumbles..

Unless he improves.. WHether he can and will I suppose is up to the staff.

He has turned it over less than Chris Simms and thrown for more TDs, yet you seem to think Simms is a good QB.

[patmoran2006]

#1- I never said Simms was a great QB... I answered a question that Thurm asked about other possibilities. I think he has more upside than Losman because I dont think there's a less intelligent QB in the entire NFL and possibly the CFL or Arena League than Losman... ANYTHING Losman does well is 100% physical.

#2- I dont believe in stats, especially for QBs.. Simms can be a quality QB, the first few games this year dont deter me from him that entire organization was a mess and our line looks like 5 Anthony Munoz's compared to theirs.

3- Simms was good enough to lead TB to a playoff birth last year. I'll take that right now.

[The_Philster]

No.. not at all.. You play a vet like Green who knows what he's doing while the rookie (or whatever young guy) is on the bench learning from him.
The McNair model...I like it...IF JP doesn't pan out...jury's still out

[TacklingDummy]

Pull a Mike Ditka, send all our draft picks next year to the Raiders for the 1st pick in the draft (if its the Raiders) and draft Brady Quinn.

[PECKERWOOD]

How do we know Nall isn't better if he never plays?How do you know JP sucks if he doesnt get to play? Were 6 games into the season, give it a rest.

[YardRat]

JP plays this year at least through week 12. If a change is deemed necessary at QB at that time, elevate Nall to starter and demote JP to #3. Experiment over, bust proclaimed.

However Nall performs in the final four games determines what, how, and who you go after in the off-season.

[EDS]

You might offer Jacksonville a draft pick for David Garrard to see if they are willing to deal him (they have been willing before, but want decent comp). He is locked up at affordable dollars through 2008, but if Jacksonville works out an extenstion with Byron Leftwich he would be a chip they could use to make themselves better, and they like their 3rd string QB (Quinn Gray, a very similar player to Garrard).

Big kid, strong arm and good mobility. Has some playing experience. Came from a smaller program (East Carolina) and has shown progress developing and won games when Leftwish was hurt. If you aren't completely certain about JP after the season, you can bring him in to compete and he would be a solid backup if he gets beat out.

Makes sense to me, anyway.

What are your thoughts on Cassell? He had a good pre-season if memory serves.

[Ickybaluky]

What are your thoughts on Cassell? He had a good pre-season if memory serves.

Coaching staff likes him and he performed well enough in the offseason that they were comfortable making him the backup to Brady and not bringing in a veteran. He has good size and is a smart kid. Has a pretty good arm and has played well when he has had opportunities.

However, he is a complete unknown in terms of how he would be given long-term playing time. He has very little experience, and basically the only thing that separates him from any other young QB is the Pats coaching staff likes him a lot.

However, I don't see the Pats trading him yet, least of all to Buffalo. They control him through 2008 and he is an affordable backup that has grown in their system and knows it well. He is too valuable to trade yet, although perhaps they would look at trading him after next season if they felt he could bring back value.

[unpaid_bills]

until they fix the OL it really does not matter. How about Todd Collins.

[THATHURMANATOR]

It really is funny to me that no one has a good solution in regards to replacing JP yet they want him out immediatly.

JP was Horrible in Chicago there is no denying.

JP was average to below average against Detroit, but made some great plays.

I really don't think he needs to be replaced.

[RedEyE]

I just really want to see JP get rid of the ball quicker and the offense rely more heavily on the run.

[THATHURMANATOR]

100% Red

JP get rid of the ball quicker.

JP practice screen passes and dump offs

Fairchild tone down the game plan. Focus on quick hitting runs and power running

[THATHURMANATOR]

They also need to move the Pocket a lot more like they did with Flutie back in the day.

[kernowboy]

Ultimately it will be determined by who is available

1) Can we fix the OL before next years draft?
2) Do we need next years draft to fix the OL?
3) Can we draft a QB and fix the OL by drafting a good LT in R2? Light, Roos and Barnes are all starters drafted in R2
4) Will any veteran want to play behind our OL without us seriously overpaying?
5) Will Pennington or Green be made available?
6) Can we risk a R3 pick on Schaub who has yet to convince more than Rob Johnson did? He's been good in 3 games and whiffed in 2.
7) Can be trade down in the draft get extra picks and still get quality players? (I think we can on the OL)
8) Will we get a 3rd round compensation pick for Clements?
9) Will Youboty be ready to replace Clements or will our cap space need to be spent on a Defensive back FA or DT or LB or TE before a QB?
10) if we improve the OL during the bye week, by re-assigning players or grabbing a FA, will Losman start playing better meaning we already have the answer?