Thurms Pre approved topic of the day

[THATHURMANATOR]

Only possible scenarios please

No talking about past moves that were and were not made.

[Earthquake Enyart]

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Clone Jason Peters 4 times.

[Earthquake Enyart]

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http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagentsOL.html

According to this, the pickings are slim for FA help on either line.

Schaub is a RFA though.

[THATHURMANATOR]

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What do we give up by signing a RFA?

Schaub has looked good in a couple starts.

Back on topic sir!

[THATHURMANATOR]

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I really think we should move Peters to LT right now.

I don't think it would hurt to put Butler in at RT to try him out either.

I know Gandy is atrouscious at LT but could he be better than Villareal or Reyes at guard?

[RedEyE]

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I think we need better interior lineman and a TE. I can live with our current Center, but I think we need at least one monster Guard to open holes and with enough speed to pull on sweeps and end arounds.

I'd also like to see a top 10 TE added to the roster.

[THATHURMANATOR]

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I am not sold on Fowler either. He is getting pushed around out there.

We Do need a pass catching TE. Royal is fine as a blocker. I believe Graham and Stevens will be FAs at TE this offseason.

[mybills]

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Clone Jason Peters 4 times.

Is it Peters or Preston that brings on the penalty flags? Can't remember, but he did it 2 or 3 times in a row in the Vikes game (I think it was that game)..anyway, we can't keep getting stupid costly panalties.

[jamze132]

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Well, for the rest of this season, we need to see what Peter's can do at LT. And we need to see what Butler and Mertz can do at RT. As far as plugging in Gandy at LG, I don't know if that would make any difference. I assume just leave Reyes alone.

Depending on how Peter's plays on the left side and how well the two rookie RTs play, the O-line should 80% of the attention in the offseason. The rest should be on a DT who can play football. With an effective O-line, we will win more than we will lose.

[Earthquake Enyart]

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Is it Peters or Preston that brings on the penalty flags? Can't remember, but he did it 2 or 3 times in a row in the Vikes game (I think it was that game)..anyway, we can't keep getting stupid costly panalties.

Peters has had a lot of penalties.

Gandy used to play guard with the Bears.

Thurm, compensation depends how much $$ you give Schwab. I think it can go up to 2 #1's.

[kernowboy]

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We start off by benching Gandy and cutting him taking the hit. At $2.5m his salary makes us a laughing stock ... actually starting him makes us a laughing stock.

Fowler has been doing ok so let him continue building his rapport with JP.

I think the flags were by Preston but he should be played as Villarial will not be resigned. I also think Preston won't have practised with the first 5 so it was possible flags could happen due to lack of familiarity.

Move Peters to the left (more on that below)

Start Brad Butler on the right. There is a concern that he is not ready but you don't get ready being sat on your arse on the bench. He could be our Runyan or Tauscher or the reincarnation of Ballard but we will never know without giving him game time.

I would move Peters to the left - guard role. Huh .... Reyes has been only adequate, Peters at 6ft4 and 328lbs has prototype guard size and has got the feet, run blocking and pass blocking potential to be our next Ruben Brown, Alan Faneca etc

And on the left tackle I would immediately sign Mike Pearson to the veteran minimum. He has not got the size to play guard but has the nous to play LT. He has been a bookend since High School. Indeed if not for injuries and the subsequent drafting of Khaliff Barnes he'd still be the Jags LT. The Fins signed him but he was cheaper to cut than Shelton or McIntosh. Sometimes we forget that players get cut due to roster economics rather than ability.

In the draft, most of the guys we should be considering lile Joe Thomas, Sam Baker, Levi Brown (RT?), Doug Free, Arron Sears (OG), Ryan Harris, Mike Otto, Joe Staley are tackle rather than guard options. Jake Long is a RT so if he comes out we take him if Butler whiffs, Blalock could play guard though.

With an established line of LT - Peters - Fowler - Preston - Butler we are then faced with following possibilities
1) Pearson does really well and as he's only 26, LT is no longer a need
2) Pearson does ok, meaning much better than Gandy - like thats everyone - but we look at LT in the draft
3) We draft an LT in R2 due to the extraordinary depth in the 2007 draft for LTs meaning we can look at TE, DT, LB if Fletcher/TKO leave, even QB in R1
4) We can bed in the LT in 2007 and start the QB in 2008 aka Ferguson and Clemens at the Jets or Pearson has done so well we can start Quinn/Stanton/Brohm/Smith immediately.

All of this assumes that with Pearson and Peters in place on the left, JP doesn't have to run for his life every play and starts playing like a first rounder. Then we won't need either a new LT or QB.

and all it needs is signing one player who is waiting by his phone.

Mike Pearson

[THATHURMANATOR]

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Peters has had a lot of penalties.

Gandy used to play guard with the Bears.

Thurm, compensation depends how much $$ you give Schwab. I think it can go up to 2 #1's.

I wouldn't sign Schaub(an unknown) for anything more that would cause us to lose a 3rd rounder.

[THATHURMANATOR]

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We start off by benching Gandy and cutting him taking the hit. At $2.5m his salary makes us a laughing stock ... actually starting him makes us a laughing stock.

Fowler has been doing ok so let him continue building his rapport with JP.

I think the flags were by Preston but he should be played as Villarial will not be resigned. I also think Preston won't have practised with the first 5 so it was possible flags could happen due to lack of familiarity.

Move Peters to the left (more on that below)

Start Brad Butler on the right. There is a concern that he is not ready but you don't get ready being sat on your arse on the bench. He could be our Runyan or Tauscher or the reincarnation of Ballard but we will never know without giving him game time.

I would move Peters to the left - guard role. Huh .... Reyes has been only adequate, Peters at 6ft4 and 328lbs has prototype guard size and has got the feet, run blocking and pass blocking potential to be our next Ruben Brown, Alan Faneca etc

And on the left tackle I would immediately sign Mike Pearson to the veteran minimum. He has not got the size to play guard but has the nous to play LT. He has been a bookend since High School. Indeed if not for injuries and the subsequent drafting of Khaliff Barnes he'd still be the Jags LT. The Fins signed him but he was cheaper to cut than Shelton or McIntosh. Sometimes we forget that players get cut due to roster economics rather than ability.

In the draft, most of the guys we should be considering lile Joe Thomas, Sam Baker, Levi Brown (RT?), Doug Free, Arron Sears (OG), Ryan Harris, Mike Otto, Joe Staley are tackle rather than guard options. Jake Long is a RT so if he comes out we take him if Butler whiffs, Blalock could play guard though.

With an established line of LT - Peters - Fowler - Preston - Butler we are then faced with following possibilities
1) Pearson does really well and as he's only 26, LT is no longer a need
2) Pearson does ok, meaning much better than Gandy - like thats everyone - but we look at LT in the draft
3) We draft an LT in R2 due to the extraordinary depth in the 2007 draft for LTs meaning we can look at TE, DT, LB if Fletcher/TKO leave, even QB in R1
4) We can bed in the LT in 2007 and start the QB in 2008 aka Ferguson and Clemens at the Jets or Pearson has done so well we can start Quinn/Stanton/Brohm/Smith immediately.

All of this assumes that with Pearson and Peters in place on the left, JP doesn't have to run for his life every play and starts playing like a first rounder. Then we won't need either a new LT or QB.

and all it needs is signing one player who is waiting by his phone.

Mike Pearson

GREAT POST!!!

[mybills]

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What's up with Walter Stilth? They have him listed on the practice squad. 23 year old rookie, 6'9" and 320 lbs. (Someone mentioned size and youth).

[billsfairweatherfan]

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Only possible scenarios please

No talking about past moves that were and were not made.

How about replaceing the real problem.the qb first? line can wait.holcomb made it work.maybe nall do better.jp not working out at all.so start with the qb first than we will talk .