Please say goodbye to Spikes, Fletcher and Villareal.

**ICE74129** · 10-23-2006, 08:25 AM

Re: Please say goodbye to Spikes, Fletcher and Villareal.

you had best put JP on that list as well. This kid just can't grasp how to be a good leader and QB.

**OpIv37** · 10-23-2006, 08:30 AM

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Villarial BLOWS. I've been saying this at least since the Denver game last year- I can't wait to find a replacement for him.

Gandy showed his true colors against Detroit.

Fletch is a FA and will be too expensive to re-sign (especially with his scum agent). Plus he can't cover the pass, which is a huge liability in this D.

Spikes- because of the injuries, this is basically like preseason for him. I'll give him a few more games to see if he flashes his old self. But at his level of performance right now, he's not worth his cap hit either- restructure or cut next year.

**Night Train** · 10-23-2006, 08:30 AM

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Spikes may never be the same but calling him and Fletcher losers proves you're just another Billszone Drama Queen, craving attention at any cost.

BTW - Gandy and Fletchers contracts expire and do not need to be cut. Chris V may also be in that boat.

**Dr. Lecter** · 10-23-2006, 08:31 AM

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Wasn't the penalty on Kelsay? Fletcher tried to stop from hitting while Kelsay just drilled him.

**Ickybaluky** · 10-23-2006, 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by HHURRICANE

Fletcher is the same big mouth who had no problem blaming JP for the game yesterday but failed to admit that he cost us 7 points with his assinine penalty on a kneeling Brady.

That wasn't Fletcher's penalty. Fletcher actually got a sack on that play, as he touched Brady first. Kelsay got the penalty when he dove on top of Brady after Fletcher had touched him down.

**Historian** · 10-23-2006, 08:44 AM

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Umm..he hardly drilled him.

In fact, I thought it was a pretty lame penalty, considering what happened to Trent Green in almost the same situation.

And since when does a quarterback just give up and sit down with his head between his legs?

Pansey.

**patmoran2006** · 10-23-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter

Wasn't the penalty on Kelsay? Fletcher tried to stop from hitting while Kelsay just drilled him.

Absolutely.. It was on Kelsay, and he admitted it and worse, he said he didnt know he couldnt hit him.. blahblahblah

Fletcher is a player needed on this team, you NEED to have veteran leadership and since our quarterback has not the first clue on how to be a leader, a veteran has to do it.

You cant have a team of ALL young players, you need solid vets in there as well.. And there is nothing wrong with Fletch's game, he's still playing at a high level.

It comes down to dollars and what he wants.. If he signed a new deal for around same money I'd bring him back 2-3 years, otherwise see ya.

**HHURRICANE** · 10-23-2006, 08:46 AM

Re: Please say goodbye to Spikes, Fletcher and Villareal.

Originally posted by OpIv37

Villarial BLOWS. I've been saying this at least since the Denver game last year- I can't wait to find a replacement for him.

Gandy showed his true colors against Detroit.

Fletch is a FA and will be too expensive to re-sign (especially with his scum agent). Plus he can't cover the pass, which is a huge liability in this D.

Spikes- because of the injuries, this is basically like preseason for him. I'll give him a few more games to see if he flashes his old self. But at his level of performance right now, he's not worth his cap hit either- restructure or cut next year.

Yep.

**Dr. Lecter** · 10-23-2006, 08:48 AM

Re: Please say goodbye to Spikes, Fletcher and Villareal.

Originally posted by Billsology

Umm..he hardly drilled him.

In fact, I thought it was a pretty lame penalty, considering what happened to Trent Green in almost the same situation.

And since when does a quarterback just give up and sit down with his head between his legs?

Pansey.

He hit him pretty good, considering Brady had gone down to his knees (insert comment here). It was an asinine, inexcusable play for a veteran player. And it was different from Green because Green had just gone into a slide and the guy that hit him got pushed into him. The players know the refs will call that penalty every time.

The NFL treats QB's like they wear little skirts. (Insert Brady Comment)

**HHURRICANE** · 10-23-2006, 08:49 AM

Re: Please say goodbye to Spikes, Fletcher and Villareal.

Originally posted by Night Train

Spikes may never be the same but calling him and Fletcher losers proves you're just another Billszone Drama Queen, craving attention at any cost.

BTW - Gandy and Fletchers contracts expire and do not need to be cut. Chris V may also be in that boat.

Wether we don't renew their contarct or cut them, the result is the same.

"Drama Queen"??? How about a realist.

**HHURRICANE** · 10-23-2006, 08:52 AM

Re: Please say goodbye to Spikes, Fletcher and Villareal.

Originally posted by patmoran2006

Fletcher is a player needed on this team, you NEED to have veteran leadership and since our quarterback has not the first clue on how to be a leader, a veteran has to do it.

You cant have a team of ALL young players, you need solid vets in there as well.. And there is nothing wrong with Fletch's game, he's still playing at a high level.

It comes down to dollars and what he wants.. If he signed a new deal for around same money I'd bring him back 2-3 years, otherwise see ya.

Funny how I never here the other players saying that Fletcher is a leader. I don't want any lingering memories of this sucky era left. Spikes, Fletcher and Villareal can all take the same bus.

**ICE74129** · 10-23-2006, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by HHURRICANE

Funny how I never here the other players saying that Fletcher is a leader. I don't want any lingering memories of this sucky era left. Spikes, Fletcher and Villareal can all take the same bus.

Good point! When have we heard any PLAYER refer to Fletcher as a leader

**kernowboy** · 10-23-2006, 09:04 AM

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I agree with those named and can also add Clements to the list

Gandy is not a starting tackle. At present he's not even back up material.

Fletcher is now 32 on the downside of his career and would want over $5m which his play simply doesn't warrant.

As for Clements he wants Champ Bailey money which I estimate to be $9m a season. He's not playing to $900,000 a season. At most he should get a max of $5m a season. He'll insist on more than that. Good bye.

Villarial I think has lost a step. At least we saw a glimpse of Merz at the game which gives me hope he can step up and play at guard. I still fancy Preston as the big centre we possible need. We should stop moving around. We drafted him as the centre of the future. Well the future is now.

With TKO I don't think he can ever reclaim his pre-eminence. The bottom line is performance does not justify his cap number. My concern is if both him and Fletcher go we are seriously short of starting calibre depth. Ellison shows promise but we may need to add a draft pick as well

You can also add to the list Everett who has been mascerading as a TE, Tim Anderson as he not done enough, the need for a big WR which means Price, Davis or Reed will need to be off loaded, Shelton who's contract is up at the end of the season and either Bowen or Wire though I think the former only signed a 1 year deal so is an UFA anyway. We need to sign a FA, who can spell or mentor Simpson

If we are drafting a QB, you cut Holcomb first, then Nall, then Losman, because Holcomb contibutes nothing, Nall will be a career back up and JP, at least he is close enough to push any QB.

So potentially we need either in the draft or FA

LT
ILB
OLB
a backup CB who can start in a pinch, Youboty deserves a shout.
OG but not urgently as Merz, Preston and even Peters could move inside.
a big NT
TE
QB
WR ... a No2 who is large in stature
FB
FS

I think the FB will be an OFA, the WR could be Kelley Washington or Elvin Wilford.

Safeties which are available are Tony Parrish and Michael Lewis both unlikely to be re-signed but who played college FS. Lewis in only 26. Terrence Holt is also available as a FS and I think either he on Jon McCraw will be cut loose.

At corner, I think Mike Rumph, Andre Woolfork or Michael Waddell, and all providing depth with possible starting ability.

LB will be the trickiest. June has had legal problems which may seriously count against him, Adalius Thomas is big but not always effective, Briggs will be franchised. I would love to grab Chase Blackburn for the strongside but he is an ERFA.

Of course there may be cuts but I see us drafting a LT, QB, ILB, TE, OG and a big NT sleeper from a small school, probably in that order.

**Philagape** · 10-23-2006, 09:18 AM

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I can't believe Villarial is still in the NFL. I've never seen a guard so consistently bad.

I agree Fletcher is gone after this year. The defense needs speed, and he won't get any faster. With all the help this team needs, we need all the cap room we can get. And we've done a pretty good job developing young linebackers.

In a football context, Spikes is a tragedy. One of the game's great players reduced to a shell of his former self. One can only pray he'll improve this season; if not, you need to think about the future.

Gandy? It's sad if anyone thought he was a solution in the first place.