X-Era
10-29-2006, 01:12 PM
After watching the full on assaults on the guy for some part of a few weeks of bad play by the TEAM, I think its time to realize that JP is all we need at QB provided we make a true effort to improve the overall teams talent level.
I have watched guys like Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Rex Grossman, Mike Vick, Donovan McNabb, and even Peyton Manning struggle plenty at times. Palmer and Manning, even Roth now show just what young QB's can look like at times. All have struggled, all have coughed up the ball and thrown bad throws. Yet all have also shown they can take their teams into the playoffs. Or more accurately, these TEAMS will go to the playoffs without hall of fame level QB play 100% of the time.
There in lies the rub. Every single team that these QB's reside on has better overall talent than we do.
Take a look at the Bengals for example. Heres a team with a top 5 WR, a top 10 RB, a great #2 WR, a top 5 LG, a top 5 CB, a decent defense, good coaching, an average OL outside of Steinbach. Is it any wonder that they are a playoff team? Carson has struggled plenty though. Look how mediocre his firt 14 starts were:
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class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 2</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Sep 19</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">MIA</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">W 16-13 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=Au3ac77935549dbyXaqYzg3.uLYF?gid=20040919004)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">53.3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">21</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">38</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">147</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3.9</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">20</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0.0</td><td class="yspscores" 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class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">27</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 4</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Oct 3</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">@ PIT</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">L 17-28 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=As.uG5LwDeQEE07pMd88hEj.uLYF?gid=20041003023)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">52.1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">20</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">37</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">164</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4.4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">24</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">8</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 5</td><td class="yspscores" align="left"> </td><td class="yspscores" align="left">bye</td><td class="yspscores" align="left"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> 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17-34 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=Am7ybyyFHQCtQRDThMMrOIX.uLYF?gid=20041017005)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">63.2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">20</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">36</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">148</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4.1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">21</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">17</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 7</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Oct 25</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">DEN</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">W 23-10 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AqC.fVcaPARcv4XaMnaT6t_.uLYF?gid=20041025004)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">85.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">12</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">21</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">198</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">9.4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">50</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">10</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 8</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Oct 31</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">@ TEN</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">L 20-27 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=ArigF0ZIgbTqwBIP3wHBXI7.uLYF?gid=20041031010)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">65.4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">20</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">36</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">247</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">6.9</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">62</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">30</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 9</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Nov 7</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">DAL</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">W 26-3 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=An9293w9ARC7nktlCzGU66v.uLYF?gid=20041107004)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">94.8</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">21</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">32</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">212</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">6.6</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">76</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td 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height="16">217</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">5.6</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">34</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">-3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">-1.5</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">-1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 11</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Nov 21</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">PIT</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">L 14-19 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AlvsEgAORErkyKfCZpFeJGH.uLYF?gid=20041121004)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">82.9</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">13</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">25</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">165</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">6.6</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">36</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">18</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 12</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Nov 28</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">CLE</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">W 58-48 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AqcHqLksfs7A9e32h.19cAD.uLYF?gid=20041128004)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">101.4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">22</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">29</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">251</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">8.7</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">53</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">10</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">5.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">11</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 13</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Dec 5</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">@ BAL</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">W 27-26 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AuTdVXXDhomXf5m6l1GJEMb.uLYF?gid=20041205033)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">127.1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">29</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">36</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">382</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">10.6</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">51</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">7</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3.5</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">9</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">27</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 14</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Dec 12</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">@ NWE</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">L 28-35 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AjhRbm4yEoyquKqcXkYJRBj.uLYF?gid=20041212017)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">110.1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">18</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">24</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">202</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">8.4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">33</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" 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Seriously, JP hasnt looked any worse than this. He has 15 starts, and I think although maybe slightly behind where Carson was at that point, one can argue we dont have the talent that they do either.
Theres no need for the anti-JP posters to respond. We all know how you feel and thats fine, your entitled.
But I cant see that spending a very high draft pick on a new guy and at the same time not addressing perpetual team problems or even overall talent level helps us. I think a shorter path to where we all want to go is to simply boost the overall talent, and invest in the trenches. I have every belief in the world that JP wil prove to be just fine with a better team.
I honestly feel that Peters at LT, and Gandy at LG will have a tangible good result on JP's game starting next weekend.
Calvin Johnson? Joe Thomas? Eric Steinbach? Dwight Freeney? Eric Johnson? Buster Davis? Garrett Wolfe? theres plenty of talent that can make this team better. We have lots of FA's this next year, we are likely to have high draft picks, this is a great time to make bigtime changes to make your team better in a hurry.
It will hurt this team to gut one of your corp youngsters and be forced to invest heavily in an all new QB. IMO, its just not worth it. Build the team first and have the luxury of spending a ton, if necessary, to get a top QB. But dont make that move until your sold that your team is good enough and we arent even close.
Stick by JP for the rest of the year, we will know whether hes good enough or not. The Bills have been clear that they are sticking with him, they also have been clear that they arent good enough talent wise overall. Lets fix the team, and we will be just fine.
Patience is a virtue!
I have watched guys like Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Rex Grossman, Mike Vick, Donovan McNabb, and even Peyton Manning struggle plenty at times. Palmer and Manning, even Roth now show just what young QB's can look like at times. All have struggled, all have coughed up the ball and thrown bad throws. Yet all have also shown they can take their teams into the playoffs. Or more accurately, these TEAMS will go to the playoffs without hall of fame level QB play 100% of the time.
There in lies the rub. Every single team that these QB's reside on has better overall talent than we do.
Take a look at the Bengals for example. Heres a team with a top 5 WR, a top 10 RB, a great #2 WR, a top 5 LG, a top 5 CB, a decent defense, good coaching, an average OL outside of Steinbach. Is it any wonder that they are a playoff team? Carson has struggled plenty though. Look how mediocre his firt 14 starts were:
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="yspsctbg" align="center"><td colspan="4" class="ysptblhdr" height="18">Season Stats</td> <td rowspan="20" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td><td colspan="9" class="ysptblhdr">Passing</td><td rowspan="20" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td><td colspan="6" class="ysptblhdr">Rushing</td><td rowspan="20" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td><td colspan="3" class="ysptblhdr">Sacked</td><td rowspan="20" class="yspwhitebg" nowrap="nowrap" width="1"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td><td colspan="3" class="ysptblhdr">Fumbles</td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblthbody1" align="right"> <td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18"> Week</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18">Date</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18">Opp</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" align="left" height="18">Score</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">QBRat</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">Comp</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">Att</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">Yds</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">Y/A</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">Lng</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">Int</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">TD</td><td height="16"> </td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">Att</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">Yds</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">Y/A</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">Lng</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">TD</td><td height="16"> </td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">Sack</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">SackYds</td><td height="16"> </td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">Fum</td><td class="yspdetailttl" height="16">FumL</td><td height="16"> </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 1</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Sep 12</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">@ NYJ</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">L 24-31 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AhZocDsskARUSMyxUGZkbpD.uLYF?gid=20040912020)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">105.2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">18</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">27</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">248</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">9.2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">53</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">10</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">5.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">11</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">10</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 2</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Sep 19</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">MIA</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">W 16-13 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=Au3ac77935549dbyXaqYzg3.uLYF?gid=20040919004)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">53.3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">21</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">38</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">147</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3.9</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">20</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">5</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">31</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 3</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Sep 26</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">BAL</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">L 9-23 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=Auyp.BpcDLn2CaD8My8k0.v.uLYF?gid=20040926004)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">43.4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">25</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">52</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">316</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">6.1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">23</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">27</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 4</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Oct 3</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">@ PIT</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">L 17-28 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=As.uG5LwDeQEE07pMd88hEj.uLYF?gid=20041003023)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">52.1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">20</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">37</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">164</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4.4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">24</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">8</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 5</td><td class="yspscores" align="left"> </td><td class="yspscores" align="left">bye</td><td class="yspscores" align="left"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 6</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Oct 17</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">@ CLE</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">L 17-34 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=Am7ybyyFHQCtQRDThMMrOIX.uLYF?gid=20041017005)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">63.2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">20</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">36</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">148</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4.1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">21</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">17</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 7</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Oct 25</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">DEN</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">W 23-10 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AqC.fVcaPARcv4XaMnaT6t_.uLYF?gid=20041025004)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">85.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">12</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">21</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">198</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">9.4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">50</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">10</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 8</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Oct 31</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">@ TEN</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">L 20-27 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=ArigF0ZIgbTqwBIP3wHBXI7.uLYF?gid=20041031010)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">65.4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">20</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">36</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">247</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">6.9</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">62</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">30</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 9</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Nov 7</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">DAL</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">W 26-3 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=An9293w9ARC7nktlCzGU66v.uLYF?gid=20041107004)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">94.8</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">21</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">32</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">212</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">6.6</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">76</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0.5</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 10</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Nov 14</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">@ WAS</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">W 17-10 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=Ak9O3Kr0mDH3o9m9nExrDQP.uLYF?gid=20041114028)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">63.7</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">24</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">39</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">217</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">5.6</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">34</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">-3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">-1.5</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">-1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 11</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Nov 21</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">PIT</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">L 14-19 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AlvsEgAORErkyKfCZpFeJGH.uLYF?gid=20041121004)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">82.9</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">13</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">25</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">165</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">6.6</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">36</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">18</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 12</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Nov 28</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">CLE</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">W 58-48 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AqcHqLksfs7A9e32h.19cAD.uLYF?gid=20041128004)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">101.4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">22</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">29</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">251</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">8.7</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">53</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">10</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">5.0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">11</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 13</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Dec 5</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">@ BAL</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">W 27-26 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AuTdVXXDhomXf5m6l1GJEMb.uLYF?gid=20041205033)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">127.1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">29</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">36</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">382</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">10.6</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">51</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">7</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3.5</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">9</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">3</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">27</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td></tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16"> 14</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">Dec 12</td><td class="yspscores" align="left">@ NWE</td><td class="yspscores" align="left" height="16">L 28-35 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylt=AjhRbm4yEoyquKqcXkYJRBj.uLYF?gid=20041212017)</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">110.1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">18</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">24</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">202</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">8.4</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">33</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">19</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">9.5</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">14</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16"> </td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" height="16">
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Seriously, JP hasnt looked any worse than this. He has 15 starts, and I think although maybe slightly behind where Carson was at that point, one can argue we dont have the talent that they do either.
Theres no need for the anti-JP posters to respond. We all know how you feel and thats fine, your entitled.
But I cant see that spending a very high draft pick on a new guy and at the same time not addressing perpetual team problems or even overall talent level helps us. I think a shorter path to where we all want to go is to simply boost the overall talent, and invest in the trenches. I have every belief in the world that JP wil prove to be just fine with a better team.
I honestly feel that Peters at LT, and Gandy at LG will have a tangible good result on JP's game starting next weekend.
Calvin Johnson? Joe Thomas? Eric Steinbach? Dwight Freeney? Eric Johnson? Buster Davis? Garrett Wolfe? theres plenty of talent that can make this team better. We have lots of FA's this next year, we are likely to have high draft picks, this is a great time to make bigtime changes to make your team better in a hurry.
It will hurt this team to gut one of your corp youngsters and be forced to invest heavily in an all new QB. IMO, its just not worth it. Build the team first and have the luxury of spending a ton, if necessary, to get a top QB. But dont make that move until your sold that your team is good enough and we arent even close.
Stick by JP for the rest of the year, we will know whether hes good enough or not. The Bills have been clear that they are sticking with him, they also have been clear that they arent good enough talent wise overall. Lets fix the team, and we will be just fine.
Patience is a virtue!