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I feel no less about Leinart than I did early in the season. He will be a good NFL player, despite his struggles the last couple weeks. Arizona is a very disfunctional franchise right now, but Leinarts long-term prognosis is still great. He will be a very good NFL QB, IMO.
Realistically, it's too early to tell with Leinart, just as it is with JP. But at least JP has the arm strength to throw into the winds of the Ralph, which I believe is one of the reasons we drafted him. I'm not sure Leinart has the requisite arm strength.
Just like there are QBs for systems, there are also QBs for stadiums/weather conditions. At least JP has a chance at the Ralph.
Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?
Leinart is a rookie. And yet even with his mistakes he has still shown more poise than JP who is in his 3rd year (regardless of his overall playing time he has still been in and around the NFL for 3 years)
Realistically, it's too early to tell with Leinart, just as it is with JP. But at least JP has the arm strength to throw into the winds of the Ralph, which I believe is one of the reasons we drafted him. I'm not sure Leinart has the requisite arm strength.
Just like there are QBs for systems, there are also QBs for stadiums/weather conditions. At least JP has a chance at the Ralph.
You know, I don't like the "arm strength" argument. The great Jim Kelly had a total rag arm his last 3-4 seasons, and he got the job done quite well. It's not like Leinart's arm is jelly.
I think the better argument for why Leinart wouldn't have fit in Buffalo is because of the lifestyle. It's a blue-coller town which requires a certain kind of person (like a Jim Kelly) for the city to embrace. Leinart, while extremely talented, is more a Hollywood-type of guy. NYC would have suit him well, similar to Joe Namath, but not Buffalo.
That being said, I'm with Dozer, if I had to choose a guy, I'd choose Leinart, hands down.
Realistically, it's too early to tell with Leinart, just as it is with JP. But at least JP has the arm strength to throw into the winds of the Ralph, which I believe is one of the reasons we drafted him. I'm not sure Leinart has the requisite arm strength.
Just like there are QBs for systems, there are also QBs for stadiums/weather conditions. At least JP has a chance at the Ralph.
I don't buy it. Tom Brady has proven you can play QB in crap weather and not have the cannon of an arm like a Bledsoe, Joe Ferguson, or JP Losman.
If anything- guys with arm strength that can defeat most weather have zero touch or finesse. Brett Favres are the rare exception
I really dont care what Leinart does.. I understand our decision to go with JP this year, and if we would of taken Leinart this draft, we would have questions about JP still. What is happening now, is a needed process to determine which direction this franchise has to take.
You know, I don't like the "arm strength" argument. The great Jim Kelly had a total rag arm his last 3-4 seasons, and he got the job done quite well. It's not like Leinart's arm is jelly.
I think the better argument for why Leinart wouldn't have fit in Buffalo is because of the lifestyle. It's a blue-coller town which requires a certain kind of person (like a Jim Kelly) for the city to embrace. Leinart, while extremely talented, is more a Hollywood-type of guy. NYC would have suit him well, similar to Joe Namath, but not Buffalo.
That being said, I'm with Dozer, if I had to choose a guy, I'd choose Leinart, hands down.
Jon
Amazing. Once more, opinion trumps fact.
Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?
What is your friggin' problem? I'm actually making an argument that while I think Leinart is the superior player, he may not have worked out in Buffalo because of his personality and the lifestyle, which supports yours and lot of people's arguments that Marv made the right choice not drafting him. Yet you are arguing with me?
What about your argument above that reads very much as if Losman is the more talented player than Leinart? How does that make any sense? You have a guy who transferred from UCLA because he couldn't start, was on a losing team at a low-ranking I-A school, and you have the most decorated college QB arguably ever who played in a pro-style offense with pro-caliber players and pro situations. How can you even put Losman and Leinart on an equal plane right now?
I'm all for Losman turning it around. Let me be clear: TURNING IT AROUND, which means PLAYING THE OPPOSITE OF BADLY.
It's time people stop defending this kid in every situation. Support, yes, but defend, no. Those are two different things. Losman needs to put the big boy pants on and start to play better. That doesn't mean the team is going to necessarily play better, but he has to start doing his part, which he hasn't done yet. And he needs to start leading by example.
Just saying, because I don't think Joe Montana or Steve Young had trouble being successful there, and neither of them had strong arms.
Arm strength is overrated. What good is it throwing the ball far if you can't put it where it is supposed to go?
I always remember the story about Kyle Boller, who wowed scouts at the combine with his arm by throwing the ball through the endzone from 65 yards away on his knees. There is a skill that has helped him.
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