Begin loyal to a team

[the REAL Rudeman]

doesn't mean you can't state obvious facts and protest.

For example, I like the Bills, but I'm not so bright-eyed and optimistic to think they're any good. In fact, they suck. They'll lose againt Indy, and offer nothing to cheer about.

It also doesn't mean that you can single out current players.

For example, JP sucks. He's a complete bust and we're wasting money on him. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Why do people insist on being all smiles and supportive of things that obviously aren't true?

I'm really serious about this. Why are people SO loyal to a team or player that the truth falls on deaf ears or is met with such harsh contempt?

[OpIv37]

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doesn't mean you can't state obvious facts and protest.

For example, I like the Bills, but I'm not so bright-eyed and optimistic to think they're any good. In fact, they suck. They'll lose againt Indy, and offer nothing to cheer about.

It also doesn't mean that you can single out current players.

For example, JP sucks. He's a complete bust and we're wasting money on him. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Why do people insist on being all smiles and supportive of things that obviously aren't true?

I'm really serious about this. Why are people SO loyal to a team or player that the truth falls on deaf ears or is met with such harsh contempt?

I don't completely agree with your assessment of JP but I agree with your general premise.

If you're loyal to the team, you want them to WIN. If we keep blindly making excuses for players or coaches who aren't performing, we're never going to win.

Face it- a lot of guys on this team right now simply aren't good enough. It's a tough reality and none of us want that to be true, but it is. And burying our heads in the sand under the guise of "loyalty" or "being a true fan" sure as hell won't solve the problem.

[justasportsfan]

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Why are people SO loyal to a team or player that the truth falls on deaf ears or is met with such harsh contempt?

because we're not canadians?

[Inetpub]

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In thier defence, I can honestly say I believe that its faith. Faith that hopefully JP will be better, hopefully the Bills win the SB, hopefully our OL isnt horrid. Also, I forgot the IFs. IF this happens, if that happens.

Where I dont understand is why they dont start calling for heads when we do lose and lose often. I guess sometimes that the IFs and Faith is too large to realize whats going on because there are more facts leaning towards we are a crappy team than anything. As I said previously, WE DONT PAY TO SEE CRAPPY ENTERTAINMENT! If im buying Sunday Ticket to watch the Bills practice then thats my money donated to DTV and the NFL and Ralph.

Im a HUGE BILLS supporter. But Im also going to tell you the truth when someone sucks. Take that into account, I'll also give praise to them when they do decide to win and win often. Because this is Our team and we want them to win and if they arent winning, we should be asking ourselves WHAT DO WE NEED TO FIX THIS PROBLEM.

Waiting it out is a bad solution. Especially when a season is only 16 games! Waiting it out in baseball at 162 games is understandable. At 16 games, if people dont get it in practice, they wont get it in games. If they dont get it, they dont get it! Let someone play who will get it and push for the Bills to be the best!

[the REAL Rudeman]

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See, Phil groans me again. What's the point? Keep your head in the sand, big fella.

[Romes]

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You are right with your premise. You can critisize a team and still be a fan.

What bothers me about the JP bashing threads is evident in your post.

For example, JP sucks. He's a complete bust and we're wasting money on him. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

On one hand its your opinion that JP is a bust and we are wasting money on him.

Then a few sentences later its the truth that he will suck.

I'm really serious about this. Why are people SO loyal to a team or player that the truth falls on deaf ears or is met with such harsh contempt?

If its your opinion then fine. If its the truth then that is when I disagree.

[PECKERWOOD]

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Like the wise man say, ignorance is bliss.

[Yasgur's Farm]

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You are right with your premise. You can critisize a team and still be a fan.

What bothers me about the JP bashing threads is evident in your post.



On one hand its your opinion that JP is a bust and we are wasting money on him.

Then a few sentences later its the truth that he will suck.



If its your opinion then fine. If its the truth then that is when I disagree.

Absolutely... How can you say you have your right to an opinion and then deny others that same right?

[The_Philster]

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See, Phil groans me again. What's the point? Keep your head in the sand, big fella.

maybe you should think before you post...check what Romes said in response to your post

[shelby]

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There is a difference between fact and opinion.

That being said, i see nothing wrong with looking at life through rose colored glasses.

[Inetpub]

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You are right with your premise. You can critisize a team and still be a fan.

What bothers me about the JP bashing threads is evident in your post.



On one hand its your opinion that JP is a bust and we are wasting money on him.

Then a few sentences later its the truth that he will suck.



If its your opinion then fine. If its the truth then that is when I disagree.

The funny thing is, THAT IS THE TRUTH! We have wasted alot of money and alot of time on the dummy. Now thats not opinion. NAME 1 AREA JP has that supports he is a winner? his 3-12 record? LOL. fumbles? LOL. Patience? LOL. Leadership? JP's never heard of it. QB rating? ok. But RJ had a better QB rating in his 3 years in Buffalo. LOL!

the kids a bum JOKE!

[X-Era]

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doesn't mean you can't state obvious facts and protest.

For example, I like the Bills, but I'm not so bright-eyed and optimistic to think they're any good. In fact, they suck. They'll lose againt Indy, and offer nothing to cheer about.

It also doesn't mean that you can single out current players.

For example, JP sucks. He's a complete bust and we're wasting money on him. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Why do people insist on being all smiles and supportive of things that obviously aren't true?

I'm really serious about this. Why are people SO loyal to a team or player that the truth falls on deaf ears or is met with such harsh contempt?

I think whats pathetic is supposed "fans" who will claim some guy is either God or they suck. I love that. Its one or the other, theres no in between. These are typically city fans who's yaps run more than Howard Stern's.

Theres a thing called support. Its when you stand behind someone or something regardless of the ups and downs. Its a concept that most who use the term "he sucks" will never understand. That version of "fan" typically is prefaced with the term "fair weather".

The reality is that this TEAM sucks in the past 3 games. That, however, is worth about nothing, because it can all change in the next game.

Its the evaluation of the long road that matters, not the ups and downs.

[Romes]

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The funny thing is, THAT IS THE TRUTH! We have wasted alot of money and alot of time on the dummy. Now thats not opinion. NAME 1 AREA JP has that supports he is a winner? his 3-12 record? LOL. fumbles? LOL. Patience? LOL. Leadership? JP's never heard of it. QB rating? ok. But RJ had a better QB rating in his 3 years in Buffalo. LOL!

the kids a bum JOKE!

Good for you that you know the truth already.

But for me, I still need to see some more before I can say for sure.

[X-Era]

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The funny thing is, THAT IS THE TRUTH! We have wasted alot of money and alot of time on the dummy. Now thats not opinion. NAME 1 AREA JP has that supports he is a winner? his 3-12 record? LOL. fumbles? LOL. Patience? LOL. Leadership? JP's never heard of it. QB rating? ok. But RJ had a better QB rating in his 3 years in Buffalo. LOL!

the kids a bum JOKE!

Welcome to negrep land, youve got a one way ticket. You will find friends like Patmoran and TD are waiting for you with open arms.

[Inetpub]

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Welcome to negrep land, youve got a one way ticket. You will find friends like Patmoran and TD are waiting for you with open arms.

Wow that really hurt me. Welcome to negrep land..LOL.

At the end of the day, JP STILL SUCKS.