What is your perception of Dick Jauron? [Archive] - BillsZone.com

Ickybaluky

10-31-2006, 11:11 AM

I found these old links and thought they were interesting:

RATING THE COACHES - 2000 SEASON (http://www.post-gazette.com/steelers/20000901fbncoaches3.asp)

12. Dick Jauron
Chicago Bears
Second year
Career record: 6-10
Comment: Don't be fooled by the record. Jauron has the Bears on the verge of the playoffs with a wide-open offense. He gets players to respond.

20. Bill Belichick
New England Patriots
First year
Career record: 36-44
Comment: Everyone keeps waiting for all those years working with Bill Parcells to rub off on Belichick. Guess what? It ain't happenin'.

RATING THE COACHES - 2001 SEASON (http://cbs.sportsline.com/b/page/pressbox/0,1328,3969965,00.html)

27. Dick Jauron, Chicago Bears. When he was named the Bears coach, there were many in the league who thought he'd be a better head coach than coordinator. So far, that hasn't proved to be true, although he has been limited by poor quarterback play. Jauron's players love him. His cerebral approach -- as a Yale graduate, he might be the league's smartest coach -- is a calming influence in a league of screaming, ranting coaches. Yet he's stern enough to get his point across. The 2001 season is make-or-break for Jauron.

30. Bill Belichick, New England Patriots. His players don't like him, the media doesn't like him, and his inflexibility is tiring. So why is he back running an NFL team? It's because he's a great defensive coordinator who is from the Bill Parcells' tree. Belichick is a much better coordinator than head coach, which the Patriots will find out.

Drive 4 Five

10-31-2006, 11:19 AM

I'd say those comments were probably written by Mark Weiler. J/K

PECKERWOOD

10-31-2006, 11:28 AM

I think he is a good coach. It's not like he inherited a good team, when he came here. He has had only 1 offseason to get players for his system, and so far he has done a fantastic job of doing so. I guess Marv, Modrak and Co. deserve some credit for that also. As long as I keep seeing improvements and the players playing hard for him, he can stay.

Earthquake Enyart

10-31-2006, 12:11 PM

:5: :::

Jeff1220

10-31-2006, 02:30 PM

imo, DJ is more of an unknown commodity than JP right now.

OpIv37

10-31-2006, 02:32 PM

I'm not thrilled with Jauron at all so far. He's been outcoached in every game. And the team has no discipline- too many turnovers and penalties.

Jan Reimers

10-31-2006, 03:23 PM

Better players might turn him into a genius. It's happened before.

Statman

10-31-2006, 03:36 PM

I'm not thrilled with Jauron at all so far. He's been outcoached in every game. And the team has no discipline- too many turnovers and penalties.
It can't be. His 2000/2001 previews prove that it doesn't mean anything.

:rolleyes:

I'm curious what the same guy said about his 2002 and 2003 seasons.

Tough division Jauron had to work in too. lol

Statman

10-31-2006, 03:37 PM

Better players might turn him into a genius. It's happened before.
He had nothing to say about the high priced nothings brought in this offseason?

Jan Reimers

10-31-2006, 03:59 PM

He had nothing to say about the high priced nothings brought in this offseason?
Unlike a lot of posters here, I don't know a lot about how much lattitude - or money - Ralph allows Marv and DJ to have in the FA process. I do think the draft was pretty good, and that we're in kind of a mess from the Donahoe era, and that we might give DJ (and Marv) more than one offseason and 8 weeks of the regular season to turn the mess around.

Saratoga Slim

10-31-2006, 04:18 PM

Unlike a lot of posters here, I don't know a lot about how much lattitude - or money - Ralph allows Marv and DJ to have in the FA process. I do think the draft was pretty good, and that we're in kind of a mess from the Donahoe era, and that we might give DJ (and Marv) more than one offseason and 8 weeks of the regular season to turn the mess around.

yes. I fully agree that it's too early to render judgment on Jauron. especially since he has a team trying to grasp a new system, an inexperienced QB, a relatively untalented OL, and a combination of questionable talent and youth at the DT position.

it's really hard to say that he's been outcoached at this point. it may very well be a matter of execution, as you can only tell the guys how to do it so many times; once they get out there, it's up to them. I'm not saying that he deserves to be excused for the 2-5 start, but I do think that there's a very good chance that the boys on the field just aren't quite getting it yet.

casdhf

10-31-2006, 04:35 PM

23. Gregg Williams, Buffalo Bills. He has prepared his whole life to be an NFL head coach, so don't expect Williams to blow it. He works as hard as anybody and appears to have a solid grasp of the fine line between pushing too much and pushing not enough. As a defensive coach, he's one of the best. He likes to be aggressive, which is a plus with all the speed in the NFL these days. He has a chance to be a real good one.

gr8slayer

10-31-2006, 05:31 PM

He's a penis

Mr. Cynical

10-31-2006, 05:38 PM

Mr. Cynical

10-31-2006, 05:40 PM

Typ0

10-31-2006, 05:42 PM

being liked has nothing to do with his job. He's got to produce.

PECKERWOOD

10-31-2006, 06:22 PM

Wow, yeah Dick is a bad coach. We know that after half a season..

Mr. Cynical

10-31-2006, 07:16 PM

Wow, yeah Dick is a bad coach. We know that after half a season..

5 losing seasons out of 6 as HC in Chicago.
Replaced Mooch and went 1-4 in his stint with Detroit and wasn't asked to stay.
Never had a top 10 defense.
The current Bills team is undisciplined and unmotivated.

We know all we need to know.

Nighthawk

10-31-2006, 07:34 PM

I don't think he has proven to be a very good HC and we are seeing that more and more as the weeks go by. His teams seem to be less prepared to play each week and the team looks like it's going in reverse instead of moving forward. Yes, he is not loaded with talent, but there IS talent on this team. I really don't think he has what it takes to be a good HC. However, if he proves me wrong...I'd be happier than $h!t.

IAG

10-31-2006, 08:20 PM

He stinks out loud

YardRat

10-31-2006, 08:46 PM

I'll reserve judgement on the coaching staff until I at least see how they close out the year.

PECKERWOOD

10-31-2006, 08:55 PM

5 losing seasons out of 6 as HC in Chicago.
Replaced Mooch and went 1-4 in his stint with Detroit and wasn't asked to stay.
Never had a top 10 defense.
The current Bills team is undisciplined and unmotivated.

We know all we need to know.
He is a better head coach than coordinator. Marv Levy wasnt exactly the winner before he got Buffalo either, was he?

Its just ridiculous you are already criticizing the guy. Hasn't even been a full season and you are ready to run him out of town.

PECKERWOOD

10-31-2006, 08:57 PM

I'll reserve judgement on the coaching staff until I at least see how they close out the year.
:goodpost:

Mr. Cynical

10-31-2006, 09:39 PM

Marv Levy wasnt exactly the winner before he got Buffalo either, was he?

Even tho it was the CFL he led his team to 2 grey cup championships in 5 years. That's a winner in my book.

Elminster

10-31-2006, 10:55 PM

I'm still forming it. Get back to me once the dust settles from the Ravens game...

don137

11-01-2006, 08:30 AM

Too early to form definite opinion but from what I see so far I am not a fan of his coaching. I see too many bad coaching decisions and don't see much improvement at all in this team. I will wait to the end of the year to say whether or not he is the answer but since he has coached before with only one season of success history is not on his side.

bigbub2352

11-01-2006, 08:36 AM

I hate to say it but i am not a big fan of his coaches on the Offensive and defsive die of the ball, i dont know what steve fairchild is trying to do, nor perry fewell, also he shows no emotion, team lacks disipline and seems unmotivated, in my opinion u need someone who commands good play not someone who is player friendly, dont think we made the right decision here

HHURRICANE

11-01-2006, 08:46 AM

Way too early to call DJ good or bad. He has 7 games under his belt. It takes a while to figure out who you can count on and who you can't.

I'll bet you if DJ is put in the exact same situation that he faced in week 1 against NE he doesn't put the ball in McGahee's hands. He'll kick the field goal. He needs time to learn what he has and adjust accordingly.

His true test will be next year when it really is his team and not the team he inherited.

I think our lack of talent is way more concerning than Dick Jauron.

I think we will miss the playoffs in 2007 as well.

Saratoga Slim

11-01-2006, 10:43 AM

I'll bet you if DJ is put in the exact same situation that he faced in week 1 against NE he doesn't put the ball in McGahee's hands. He'll kick the field goal. He needs time to learn what he has and adjust accordingly.

His true test will be next year when it really is his team and not the team he inherited.

I think our lack of talent is way more concerning than Dick Jauron.

Excellent post. The only thing I have to add is that our "lack of talent" is partly due to an actual lack of talent at some positions (notably the OL), and partly due to the fact that some of the talent that we do have is too young and inexperienced to fully make their mark (i.e. the 2006 draft class).

You're right. next year will be the true, no-excuses test for Jauron. He'll have had two offseasons to pick his guys, and it'll be time to produce.

unpaid_bills

11-01-2006, 11:08 PM

The Old Men (Ralph and Marv) love Dick
JP loves to play for Dick
The other players seem to like Dick
Because ...
Dick is hard
Dick is solid
Dick is disciplined, at times
Dick is also soft at times
But our Dick does call the shots
Dick got us into the mess
In fact, everyone should have a little Dick in them
We shouldnt be so hard on our Dick
We all need to take it easy on our Dick
Afterall our Dick is theHead Man!
As Bills fans, all we have to look forward to is ...... Dick
So therefore, all the Bills fans should love, praise and worship their Dick

Anyway, what would all do without our Dick?

PECKERWOOD

11-01-2006, 11:13 PM

Even tho it was the CFL he led his team to 2 grey cup championships in 5 years. That's a winner in my book.
Spurrier was a big winner at the college level before he came to the NFL. Different league, not worthy of comparison, in my book.

dplus47

11-01-2006, 11:57 PM

Spurrier was a big winner at the college level before he came to the NFL. Different league, not worthy of comparison, in my book.

spurrier is always trotted out to prove points, but he's a bit of an anomaly in coaching: remember, he mocked other NFL coaches for spending too many hours at work. jim haslett is the one i remember most clearly. in college, spurrier ran a gimmicky system that he thought would just automatically work in the NFL. in other words, it was all about pre-drawn X's and O's, with little work and little leadership and motivation. spurrier thought he could come to the NFL and play just as much golf as before: i wouldn't go comparing him to marv levy or any other coach who exhibits leadership and a work ethic. just sayin'...

mybills

11-02-2006, 06:31 AM

If the title of this thread is a question about Jauron, why did you post comments about NE's coach. :dizzy:

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 08:04 AM

Ickybaluky

11-02-2006, 08:19 AM

If the title of this thread is a question about Jauron, why did you post comments about NE's coach. :dizzy:

To show you how perceptions can sometimes look silly in retrospect. Look at how Belichick was viewed back in 2001, compared to now. It is only for comparison purposes.

The point is, judgements can be totally off-base. How can you criticize Jauron at this point with all he has had to deal with? The guy inherited a young team with a young QB and has overseen a huge amount of turnover. In that instance, you can't judge the guy. Wait until his program is a little more mature before you decide what kind of coach he is.

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 08:26 AM

To show you how perceptions can sometimes look silly in retrospect. Look at how Belichick was viewed back in 2001, compared to now. It is only for comparison purposes.

The point is, judgements can be totally off-base. How can you criticize Jauron at this point with all he has had to deal with? The guy inherited a young team with a young QB and has overseen a huge amount of turnover. In that instance, you can't judge the guy. Wait until his program is a little more mature before you decide what kind of coach he is.
Exactly. I guess coaches only deserve one season to show what they got. Everybody knows you can rebuild an entire team with one draft.

Mr. Pink

11-02-2006, 08:26 AM

Gregg Williams-Mike Mularkey-Dick Jauron.....

Where's the difference on the field? Oh wait, there is NONE!

dplus47

11-02-2006, 12:31 PM

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Marv Levy was a huge winner before he got here! The same people that want Jauron gone, would of been *****ing about Marv right now too.

those records are from the pre-free agency period, so you could look at that and say they had a decent turnaround. he didn't make that happen on the golf course, which is why i think spurrier is a bad example even if you have a point to make.

i like what jauron has to say when i hear him talk (as much as i can like a bills' coach), but i think he still has something to prove as a HC. that said, i wouldn't be calling for his head at this point. he has inherited a mess and should be given time to show improvement.

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 12:46 PM

Spurrier was a big winner at the college level before he came to the NFL. Different league, not worthy of comparison, in my book.

CFL is a professional league, college football isn't. Anyway....

Tell me what Dick has done in his past that has warranted giving him the benefit of the doubt here? You used Marv as a comparison saying that he wasn't succesful in Kansas City yet was successful here. However, as I pointed out (even though you disagree) he had winning successes before coming here. Other than the one 13-3 season (against mostly sub 500 teams I might add), what has he done that makes you think he will succeed?

There's another thread on this topic that I started a long time ago and nothing has changed since. In fact, given the state of the team (unmotivated, undisciplined) I would argue he's hurt his case even more to date.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=106990

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 12:49 PM

To show you how perceptions can sometimes look silly in retrospect. Look at how Belichick was viewed back in 2001, compared to now. It is only for comparison purposes.

The point is, judgements can be totally off-base. How can you criticize Jauron at this point with all he has had to deal with? The guy inherited a young team with a young QB and has overseen a huge amount of turnover. In that instance, you can't judge the guy. Wait until his program is a little more mature before you decide what kind of coach he is.

Belichick was a defensive genius even though his HC record wasn't good.

What does Dick have other than his Yale degree?

Still haven't heard a compelling argument from anyone yet....

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=106990

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 05:39 PM

CFL is a professional league, college football isn't. Anyway....

Tell me what Dick has done in his past that has warranted giving him the benefit of the doubt here? You used Marv as a comparison saying that he wasn't succesful in Kansas City yet was successful here. However, as I pointed out (even though you disagree) he had winning successes before coming here. Other than the one 13-3 season (against mostly sub 500 teams I might add), what has he done that makes you think he will succeed?

There's another thread on this topic that I started a long time ago and nothing has changed since. In fact, given the state of the team (unmotivated, undisciplined) I would argue he's hurt his case even more to date.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=106990

Good, I'm glad you have taken the bait. Marv has been successfull on multiple levels concerning football. By you saying that Dick Jauron is a bad coach, and a bad hiring, you are in turn saying Marv is a bad GM. So if Marv, knows the game of the football, he was a successful coach in the past, he can spot talent like a sore thumb. What makes you think, you know more about football than Marv?

Also, you should quit paying attention to stats so much. You say that Jaurons 13-3 season, was against sub par teams, but what you are failing to assert is that Chicago was a subpar team when he inherited it. He drafted around half of Chicago's starters on their current roster now, and their undefeated. Quit acting like Dick Jauron isnt qualified enough to be a coach.

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 06:27 PM

Good, I'm glad you have taken the bait. Marv has been successfull on multiple levels concerning football. By you saying that Dick Jauron is a bad coach, and a bad hiring, you are in turn saying Marv is a bad GM. So if Marv, knows the game of the football, he was a successful coach in the past, he can spot talent like a sore thumb. What makes you think, you know more about football than Marv?

Actually its you who have taken the bait....

So if Marv, knows the game of the football, he was a successful coach in the past, he can spot talent like a sore thumb.

Being a good coach does not mean you are automatically a good GM (*see Mike Holmgren) So that argument holds zero water. IMO Marv made a mistake by hiring Dick. So far I don't see anything to prove my opinion wrong.

What makes you think, you know more about football than Marv?

I never said I know more about football than Marv. Ever. But that doesn't mean he can't make mistakes, does it? Just because someone is in the NFL and has had success does not make that person infallible. Let me ask you this....if you think Marv was a good hire, then you must have faith in Ralph. Yet Ralph hired TD. How did that work out?

You still have not said anything to prove Dick has what it takes to be a good HC other than saying you have faith in Marv's decision. Blind trust is not my cup of tea. Sorry.

Also, you should quit paying attention to stats so much. You say that Jaurons 13-3 season, was against sub par teams, but what you are failing to assert is that Chicago was a subpar team when he inherited it. He drafted around half of Chicago's starters on their current roster now, and their undefeated. Quit acting like Dick Jauron isnt qualified enough to be a coach.

No matter how you want to spin it, he had 5 out of 6 losing seasons. That's a stat that can't be ignored or mitigated. If he was so good they'd have kept him. So would Detroit. Neither did. There's a reason for that - he isn't a good HC. (or even DC for that matter as he never had a top 10 defense)

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 06:37 PM

Actually its you who have taken the bait....

Being a good coach does not mean you are automatically a good GM (*see Mike Holmgren) So that argument holds zero water. IMO Marv made a mistake by hiring Dick. So far I don't see anything to prove my opinion wrong.

I never said I know more about football than Marv. Ever. But that doesn't mean he can't make mistakes, does it? Just because someone is in the NFL and has had success does not make that person infallible. Let me ask you this....if you think Marv was a good hire, then you must have faith in Ralph. Yet Ralph hired TD. How did that work out?

You still have not said anything to prove Dick has what it takes to be a good HC other than saying you have faith in Marv's decision. Blind trust is not my cup of tea. Sorry.

So you are saying Marv is a bad GM? I was not once trying to prove that he is going to be a good head coach here. I am simply saying that he could be. He deserves more than half a season, to prove himself. It just makes me so sick, that you are willing to throw Marv under the bus, halfway through the season.

To answer your question about Ralph, I do have faith in Ralphie. He has run a pretty good franchise. We were the AFL champions in 64-65, and we went to 4 superbowls in the NFL, under his ownership. You are damn right, I have faith in Ralph. I never said people dont make mistakes, but people that are good at what they do, dont make mistakes that huge. If you are going to say Marv made a mistake with Jauron, you are basically saying we need a new GM and head coach. And by your previous statements and implications, it wouldnt be a reach to say, you think, we need a new owner. If that is the case, why are you even here?

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 06:44 PM

No matter how you want to spin it, he had 5 out of 6 losing seasons. That's a stat that can't be ignored or mitigated. If he was so good they'd have kept him. So would Detroit. Neither did. There's a reason for that - he isn't a good HC. (or even DC for that matter as he never had a top 10 defense)

Greg Williams sure made it into the top 5 defense alot, yet he didnt succeed. So why do you keep throwing the top 10 defense crap into my face? It has no merit. Some people are good coordinators and others are meant to be head coaches. The HC's job is too keep everyone together, its not his job to coordinate offense or defense, that shows you dont know much about football.

38-54 career wins and losses. 1-4 of those were when he was an interim coach. He still managed to do alright in Chicago without a good QB. 13-3 with Joe Shmoe at the helm isnt that bad. Atleast, we know he can coach a playoff calibre team. We know he can draft players well, and from the looks of it, the staff he hired isnt too shabby, either.

With all that said, I'm not saying Jaurons career is going to last here. I'm just willing to give him a fair shake.

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 06:46 PM

I never said people dont make mistakes, but people that are good at what they do, dont make mistakes that huge.

I'm confused. You say Ralph is good at what he does, and that good people don't make huge mistakes. Again, explain TD.

If you are going to say Marv made a mistake with Jauron, you are basically saying we need a new GM and head coach. And by your previous statements and implications, it wouldnt be a reach to say, you think, we need a new owner.

Yes, yes and yes.

If that is the case, why are you even here?

Because I'm a Bills fan. You?

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 06:51 PM

Some people are good coordinators and others are meant to be head coaches.

Amd some are neither.

The HC's job is too keep everyone together, its not his job to coordinate offense or defense

Thanks for the tip. I thought the HC was supposed to make sure the Gatorade was cold.

38-54 career wins and losses. 1-4 of those were when he was an interim coach. He still managed to do alright in Chicago without a good QB. 13-3 with Joe Shmoe at the helm isnt that bad. Atleast, we know he can coach a playoff calibre team. We know he can draft players well, and from the looks of it, the staff he hired isnt too shabby, either.

So you want to base his ability to be an HC on one winning season? That speaks volumes.

With all that said, I'm not saying Jaurons career is going to last here. I'm just willing to give him a fair shake.

You can give him whatever you want. It's a free country. For me, he has to earn my respect and nothing in his history....nor in his current role with the Bills...has given me a reason to give it to him. Guilty until proven innocent? Sure. I don't care. This isn't the legal system. It's football.

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 06:59 PM

I'm confused. You say Ralph is good at what he does, and that good people don't make huge mistakes. Again, explain TD.

Yes, yes and yes.

Because I'm a Bills fan. You?

Ralph is good at what he does, 4 superbowl appearances and two AFL titles ring a bell? I thought you were a Bill's fan, you should atleast be familiar with our history.

Tom Donahoe wasn't the best hiring, I will give you that much. The combined records of his coaches added up to: 31-49. That isnt good by no means, but it could of been alot worst. We could of ended up with Millen as GM. So while Donahoe wasnt a good GM, he certainly wasnt the worst. We were pretty much middle of the pack.

So Ralph Wilson needs to go? You ungrateful piece of.. If it werent for him, we may not even have a team to complain about.

I'm here because I was born and raised in Buffalo, and I know what it means to be a Buffalonian. Buffalo is all about hardworking blue collar people, good people that want to watch their team play. I have never met someone as prima dona as you are, your posts are just complaints about everything. Rant, rant and rant.

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 07:07 PM

Amd some are neither.

Thanks for the tip. I thought the HC was supposed to make sure the Gatorade was cold.

So you want to base his ability to be an HC on one winning season? That speaks volumes.

You can give him whatever you want. It's a free country. For me, he has to earn my respect and nothing in his history....nor in his current role with the Bills...has given me a reason to give it to him. Guilty until proven innocent? Sure. I don't care. This isn't the legal system. It's football.

Thanks for the tip. I thought the HC was supposed to make sure the Gatorade was cold.

Im sure you did, and since I owned you on the point, chances are you wont be tossing around that top 10 coordinator bull**** again.

He was coach of the year in '01. It sure means something. What do you expect? You expect us to sign Bill Bellichick or something? Maybe you should root for the Patriots or Cowgirls. If you didnt notice, we really dont have the money to pay for every big name out there.

Lastly, Marv had to sign whoever was on the market at the time. You have to sign who is AVAILABLE. Jauron, Sherman and Martz, were the biggest names out there. The other coaches we're all pretty much rookies. And you as well as I know, that everyone in Buffalo was pushing for an experienced HC. So for once, can you be happy and quit complaining about everything?

You can give him whatever you want. It's a free country. For me, he has to earn my respect and nothing in his history....nor in his current role with the Bills...has given me a reason to give it to him. Guilty until proven innocent? Sure. I don't care. This isn't the legal system. It's football.

Cool, I can agree with that. However, that doesnt mean its reasonable to spew specious comments, like Jauron is a failure in Buffalo. That is just bullcrap, and to state it like its fact is messed up. Atleast give the guy a chance.

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 07:49 PM

Ralph is good at what he does, 4 superbowl appearances and two AFL titles ring a bell? I thought you were a Bill's fan, you should atleast be familiar with our history.

Whatever. You said he was good and that good people don't make huge mistakes. I called you out on the hiring of TD - a decision not ONE Bills fan is going to say was even close to being good - and you got owned.

Tom Donahoe wasn't the best hiring, I will give you that much. The combined records of his coaches added up to: 31-49. That isnt good by no means, but it could of been alot worst. We could of ended up with Millen as GM. So while Donahoe wasnt a good GM, he certainly wasnt the worst. We were pretty much middle of the pack.

Middle of the pack???? Since when is 31-49 "middle of the pack"?

So Ralph Wilson needs to go? You ungrateful piece of.. If it werent for him, we may not even have a team to complain about.

Hey, life moves on. Deal with it. I'm grateful for what he *did* but just like players who get too old to play, owners can get too old to own. He hasn't made any good decisions since hiring his Glory Days staff (and even fired the best person from that era, Polian). I like him as a person but I want the Bills to win. That, IMO, is not going to happen under his watch.

I'm here because I was born and raised in Buffalo, and I know what it means to be a Buffalonian. Buffalo is all about hardworking blue collar people, good people that want to watch their team play. I have never met someone as prima dona as you are, your posts are just complaints about everything. Rant, rant and rant.

Guess what genius? My father was born and raised in Buffalo and so was I. So you can take your blue collar righteousness and stuff it back up where the sun don't shine. I know what Buffalo is about, which is also why I want the Bills to win so badly. It will help the community immensely in many different ways.

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 07:56 PM

Whatever. You said he was good and that good people don't make huge mistakes. I called you out on the hiring of TD - a decision not ONE Bills fan is going to say was even close to being good - and you got owned.

Middle of the pack???? Since when is 31-49 "middle of the pack"?

Hey, life moves on. Deal with it. I'm grateful for what he *did* but just like players who get too old to play, owners can get too old to own. He hasn't made any good decisions since hiring his Glory Days staff (and even fired the best person from that era, Polian). I like him as a person but I want the Bills to win. That, IMO, is not going to happen under his watch.

Guess what genius? My father was born and raised in Buffalo and so was I. So you can take your blue collar righteousness and stuff it back up where the sun don't shine. I know what Buffalo is about, which is also why I want the Bills to win so badly. It will help the community immensely in many different ways.

Guess what genius? My father was born and raised in Buffalo and so was I. So you can take your blue collar righteousness and stuff it back up where the sun don't shine. I know what Buffalo is about, which is also why I want the Bills to win so badly. It will help the community immensely in many different ways.
Really, you sure act like a stuck up white collar.. Forget it. Have your daddy buy you a new mercedes or something.

Hey, life moves on. Deal with it. I'm grateful for what he *did* but just like players who get too old to play, owners can get too old to own. He hasn't made any good decisions since hiring his Glory Days staff (and even fired the best person from that era, Polian). I like him as a person but I want the Bills to win. That, IMO, is not going to happen under his watch.

So you pull out a coaches history of winning, but when it comes to our owner and his history as a good owner and a winning owner, you neglect his accomplishments. Biased? To say the least.

Just because our record isnt .500 over those years, doesnt mean we werent average. Many teams that are considered middle of the pack, actually have a losing record.

And I never said TD was a good signing, I said he was an average GM. Got a prob? Furthermore, you are putting words in my mouth. You somehow tried to link TD and Ralph together, which simply didnt make sense. So you got owned. Come again, Señorita.

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 07:59 PM

Im sure you did, and since I owned you on the point, chances are you wont be tossing around that top 10 coordinator bull**** again.

:rofl:

Owned? I fully intend to keep "tossing around" the fact that NONE of his defenses were ever in the top 10. His "claim to fame" is supposedly his defensive genius. This is/was why he has been hired around the league. My point still stands - his claim to fame is a mirage.

He was coach of the year in '01. It sure means something. What do you expect? You expect us to sign Bill Bellichick or something? Maybe you should root for the Patriots or Cowgirls. If you didnt notice, we really dont have the money to pay for every big name out there.

I expect to get a competent coach who can lead this team back to respectability. End of story.

So for once, can you be happy and quit complaining about everything?

I really wonder what drives people like you. How can you be happy about the Bills situation? Would you like it better if I (or anyone looking at the reality of the situation) just said "Go team! We can do it! Have faith!"? Sorry but I'm not going to "be happy" until the front office is competent and the team shows progress.

Cool, I can agree with that. However, that doesnt mean its reasonable to spew specious comments, like Jauron is a failure in Buffalo. That is just bullcrap, and to state it like its fact is messed up. Atleast give the guy a chance.

I can state my opinion however I like. I never said it was "fact". This is such a twist of words it's not even funny. I once toyed with the idea of putting "NOTE: THIS IS MY OPINION. IT IS NOT FACT" at the end of every post. I just don't have the energy or desire to do that for the few people that don't get the difference between an opinion and fact.

But for this one time....IN MY OPINION, Dick is a failure in Buffalo, much like most of his career. IN MY OPINION he has done nothing in his past to deserve the benefit of the doubt. IN MY OPINION he will be gone in three years.

Iehoshua

11-02-2006, 08:03 PM

Isn't there a limit to 1 war per day in the Zone? I think Inet and I already met that quota earlier... Cyn and BuffaloFever are giving us a run for our money!

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 08:10 PM

Really, you sure act like a stuck up white collar.. Forget it. Have your daddy buy you a new mercedes or something.

Oh, I am definitely white collar. I worked my way through college (part scholarship) and eventually went to grad school. But I don't insult other's class in life because I've been on both sides and money doesn't mean anything about who a person really is. Apparently you still have yet to learn that lesson.

So you pull out a coaches history of winning, but when it comes to our owner and his history as a good owner and a winning owner, you neglect his accomplishments. Biased? To say the least.

It's not biased, it's reality. Ralph is 88. Biological fact. He's done.

And I never said TD was a good signing, I said he was an average GM. Got a prob?

No, I don't have a problem. But apparently you do if you think TD is an "average GM". Find one person that agrees with you and I'll buy you a cookie.

You somehow tried to link TD and Ralph together, which simply didnt make sense. So you got owned. Come again, Señorita.

:roflmao:

Wow, you are so off base it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

Let's try this again...

YOU said good people don't make huge mistakes. FACT.
YOU said Ralph is a good owner. FACT.
Ralph hired TD. FACT.

So I want to see how it was me who somehow linked TD and Ralph and how it doesn't make sense. Try not to choke on your foot when you reply.

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 08:13 PM

Isn't there a limit to 1 war per day in the Zone? I think Inet and I already met that quota earlier... Cyn and BuffaloFever are giving us a run for our money!

:cheers:

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 08:15 PM

:rofl:

Owned? I fully intend to keep "tossing around" the fact that NONE of his defenses were ever in the top 10. His "claim to fame" is supposedly his defensive genius. This is/was why he has been hired around the league. My point still stands - his claim to fame is a mirage.

I expect to get a competent coach who can lead this team back to respectability. End of story.

I really wonder what drives people like you. How can you be happy about the Bills situation? Would you like it better if I (or anyone looking at the reality of the situation) just said "Go team! We can do it! Have faith!"? Sorry but I'm not going to "be happy" until the front office is competent and the team shows progress.

I can state my opinion however I like. I never said it was "fact". This is such a twist of words it's not even funny. I once towyed with the idea of putting "NOTE: THIS IS MY OPINION. IT IS NOT FACT" at the end of every post. I just don't have the energy or desire to do that for the few people that don't get the difference between an opinion and fact.

But for this one time....IN MY OPINION, Dick is a failure in Buffalo, much like most of his career. IN MY OPINION he has done nothing in his past to deserve the benefit of the doubt. IN MY OPINION he will be gone in three years.

I can state my opinion however I like. I never said it was "fact". This is such a twist of words it's not even funny. I once towyed with the idea of putting "NOTE: THIS IS MY OPINION. IT IS NOT FACT" at the end of every post. I just don't have the energy or desire to do that for the few people that don't get the difference between an opinion and fact.

I never said you couldnt speak your opinion, any which way you want. I'm just simply pointing out your argument is erroneous. It's just funny how you act like your word is law. Your negative about every gosh damn person on this team, you are bound to be right about one of them. Really, is there anything about this team you actually like? You dont like the owner, GM, coach nor do you like many of our players. Its ridiculous, if you dont enjoy this team, why the f__k, are you bothering people that do?

I really wonder what drives people like you. How can you be happy about the Bills situation? Would you like it better if I (or anyone looking at the reality of the situation) just said "Go team! We can do it! Have faith!"? Sorry but I'm not going to "be happy" until the front office is competent and the team shows progress.

Did I say, I was happy with the Bill's situation? No, I didnt 'Dick' head:laughing: . I simply said that, I am happy I even have a team to root for. And unlike you, Im not going to doubt Ralph's ability as an owner, he has forgot about more information than you have ever learned. Who'se intelligence should I question, a billionare, who has owned a successful franchise for many years, or some random ass nobody who knows nothing about football. Thought so.

I expect to get a competent coach who can lead this team back to respectability. End of story.

You expect a competent coach, who can lead this team to victory? Good one, Nostradumbass, how can you predict that Jauron will be a failure in Buffalo?

Owned? I fully intend to keep "tossing around" the fact that NONE of his defenses were ever in the top 10. His "claim to fame" is supposedly his defensive genius. This is/was why he has been hired around the league. My point still stands - his claim to fame is a mirage.

Chicago has always had a decent defense, even when Jauron was there. They obviously did well enough for the Bears to go 13-3. And everyone knows that the pinnacle of the Bears team, is their defense. And Dick Jauron was a part of that.

23/53 players currently on Chicago's roster, were drafted by Jauron. Around 13 of them are starters. There are 11 players on each side of the ball, so that means that he drafted half of Chicago's current starters.

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 08:19 PM

No, I didnt 'Dick' head:laughing: .

Nostradumbass

Suck it.

Glad to see you're staying within the TOS.

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 08:23 PM

Glad to see you're staying within the TOS.
Dont forget to argue my points, you can always go cry to the mods. Wouldnt surprise me really, since you like complaining so much and all.

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 08:26 PM

Dont forget to argue my points, you can always go cry to the mods. Wouldnt surprise me really, since you like complaining so much and all.

I have no problem with playing by the rules. Apparently you feel the need to go beyond them, however, which is usually the case when one's argument is falling apart.

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 08:32 PM

I have no problem with playing by the rules. Apparently you feel the need to go beyond them, however, which is usually the case when one's argument is falling apart.

Do you want me to dig up all the times you violated the TOS? I thought not, because there is a thread where you were making 'Dick' jokes. So If I was violating the TOS, so be it, but you do too.

My argument isnt falling apart, I gave you a pretty nice size response and I am awaiting your response to it. Instead you are pointing out the fun I was poking at you. Listen to yourself, this is about football. A mans sport, quit crying. It's a good indication your argument is falling apart, and in fact fallacious (like I said all along), when you are failing to argue any points. You took your fair share of jabs at me, so dont ***** when I jab back.

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 08:35 PM

I never said you couldnt speak your opinion, any which way you want. I'm just simply pointing out your argument is erroneous. It's just funny how you act like your word is law.

I see. So you are saying you are right, I am wrong, no questions asked. And you said I was being a prima donna? I'm the one acting like my word is the law? :lol:

Its ridiculous, if you dont enjoy this team, why the f__k, are you bothering people that do?

I am a Bills fan. That's all I need to say and don't need to justify to you why or how I watch/enjoy the team.

Nostradumbass, how can you predict that Jauron will be a failure in Buffalo?

One more time...please focus....IN MY OPINION he will be a failure. That's the last time I'm going to say it.

23/53 players currently on Chicago's roster, were drafted by Jauron. Around 13 of them are starters. There are 11 players on each side of the ball, so that means that he drafted half of Chicago's current starters. Suck it.

Hmmm. For someone who felt the need to explain the role of an HC to me, maybe I should help clarify something for you in return. The GM drafts the players. Hope that helps.

SO, as I see it, I've answered all your "points". I'm pretty much done here unless you have any new ones. Please don't rehash the same ones over again as I'm not interested in repeating myself again.

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 08:52 PM

I see. So you are saying you are right, I am wrong, no questions asked. And you said I was being a prima donna? I'm the one acting like my word is the law? :lol:

I am a Bills fan. That's all I need to say and don't need to justify to you why or how I watch/enjoy the team.

One more time...please focus....IN MY OPINION he will be a failure. That's the last time I'm going to say it.

Hmmm. For someone who felt the need to explain the role of an HC to me, maybe I should help clarify something for you in return. The GM drafts the players. Hope that helps.

SO, as I see it, I've answered all your "points". I'm pretty much done here unless you have any new ones. Please don't rehash the same ones over again as I'm not interested in repeating myself again.

Hmmm. For someone who felt the need to explain the role of an HC to me, maybe I should help clarify something for you in return. The GM drafts the players. Hope that helps. The GM and the HC draft the players. Do you honestly think that the HC has no say in who is drafted!?! :laughing:

One more time...please focus....IN MY OPINION he will be a failure. That's the last time I'm going to say it.

It's the way you present your opinion. You state it like its history, and its already been done. Every single one of your opinions is presented like this. For example.

( What you would say) Dick Jauron, will be gone in 2 years.
( What a normal person would say ) Dick Jauron, will probably be gone in 2 years.

Really, its simple English. You state your opinions like there facts. So, if you keep stating your opinions like there facts, how can one decipher factual statements from your opinions? Thats probably a poor example, but every single one of your posts are presented like that.

I see. So you are saying you are right, I am wrong, no questions asked. And you said I was being a prima donna? I'm the one acting like my word is the law?

I said you were a prima dona, because you complain more than T.O. Seriously, you two would make the perfect couple. Not a shred of happiness, and you both complain all the time. Atleast, TO has the curteousy to move onto a different team, I hope you would do the same. Try the Cowboys or Patriots, you should hop on their bandwagons. Since, Buffalo does nothing right, in your eyes.

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 09:09 PM

The GM and the HC draft the players. Do you honestly think that the HC has no say in who is drafted!?! :laughing:

So since it is the GM and the HC who draft the players, how do you know how much input Dick really had? How do you know which of those 13 players you mentioned were his picks? You don't. So using that as the basis of your argument as to how good Dick did is weak at best.

It's the way you present your opinion. You state it like its history, and its already been done. Every single one of your opinions is presented like this. For example.

( What you would say) Dick Jauron, will be gone in 2 years.
( What a normal person would say ) Dick Jauron, will probably be gone in 2 years.

Really, its simple English. You state your opinions like there facts. So, if you keep stating your opinions like there facts, how can one decipher factual statements from your opinions? Thats probably a poor example, but every single one of your posts are presented like that.

Most people realize that when someone *predicts* something, it is *not* fact. I'm not going to preface every prediction with "probably" just so you can decipher the difference.

I said you were a prima dona, because you complain more than T.O. Seriously, you two would make the perfect couple. Not a shred of happiness, and you both complain all the time. Atleast, TO has the curteousy to move onto a different team, I hope you would do the same. Try the Cowboys or Patriots, you should hop on their bandwagons. Since, Buffalo does nothing right, in your eyes.

If you don't want to read my posts, you know what to do. Use ignore. Very simple.

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 09:21 PM

So since it is the GM and the HC who draft the players, how do you know how much input Dick really had? How do you know which of those 13 players you mentioned were his picks? You don't. So using that as the basis of your argument as to how good Dick did is weak at best.

Most people realize that when someone *predicts* something, it is *not* fact. I'm not going to preface every prediction with "probably" just so you can decipher the difference.

If you don't want to read my posts, you know what to do. Use ignore. Very simple.

So since it is the GM and the HC who draft the players, how do you know how much input Dick really had? How do you know which of those 13 players you mentioned were his picks? You don't. So using that as the basis of your argument as to how good Dick did is weak at best.

LOL, all of the players Dick Jauron and any of his GM's drafted, were 'his' players! People talk you know? It's not like the GM walks into the room and says: "Listen Dick, were drafting blah blah blah! If you dont like it, too bad!" :laughing: Yes, its really hard for your brain to grasp. Dick was involved in every draft choice.

Most people realize that when someone *predicts* something, it is *not* fact. I'm not going to preface every prediction with "probably" just so you can decipher the difference.

Even previous history that is controversial, you assert your opinion like it's fact. Dont worry, there is no need to fix your grammar, most people wont read your horsecrap anyways. ;)

If you don't want to read my posts, you know what to do. Use ignore. Very simple.

That may be the only smart thing, you have ever said. :bigwave:

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 09:27 PM

LOL, all of the players Dick Jauron and any of his GM's drafted, were 'his' players! People talk you know? It's not like the GM walks into the room and says: "Listen Dick, were drafting blah blah blah! If you dont like it, too bad!" :laughing: Yes, its really hard for your brain to grasp. Dick was involved in every draft choice.

It's good to know you were in Chicago's war room during the draft. How was the food?

Even previous history that is controversial, you assert your opinion like it's fact. Dont worry, there is no need to fix your grammar, most people wont read your horsecrap anyways. ;)

Nice sidestep. Predictions are by default not fact, and you didn't acknowledge your mistake in saying so. But that's okay. There is no need to admit your mistakes when they are that obvious.

That may be the only smart thing, you have ever said. :bigwave:

Then I assume you won't be replying to this post, since you agree it is a smart thing for you to do. Wonder what the Vegas odds are on you doing the smart thing.....the crowd awaits......

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 09:37 PM

It's good to know you were in Chicago's war room during the draft. How was the food?

Nice sidestep. Predictions are by default not fact, and you didn't acknowledge your mistake in saying so. But that's okay. There is no need to admit your mistakes when they are that obvious.

Then I assume you won't be replying to this post, since you agree it is a smart thing for you to do. Wonder what the Vegas odds are on you doing the smart thing.....the crowd awaits......

Then I assume you won't be replying to this post, since you agree it is a smart thing for you to do. Wonder what the Vegas odds are on you doing the smart thing.....the crowd awaits......[/

Haha, I'm not letting you off that easy. I will ignore you, after you are done directing comments towards me. Since, you did ask me some questions and it would be very rude not to respond back!

Nice sidestep. Predictions are by default not fact, and you didn't acknowledge your mistake in saying so. But that's okay. There is no need to admit your mistakes when they are that obvious.

Re-read my post junior! I never said anything about predictions. :whistling

It's good to know you were in Chicago's war room during the draft. How was the food?

The food was pretty good, the shrimp gave me diarreah though. :laughing:
Anyways, it is not a big leap to assume that Jauron has say in which players are drafted.

:air:

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 09:59 PM

Re-read my post junior! I never said anything about predictions. :whistling

Oh really? Hmmm.....

Originally Posted by BuffaloFever
Nostradumbass, how can you predict that Jauron will be a failure in Buffalo?

Originally Posted by BuffaloFever
( What you would say) Dick Jauron, will be gone in 2 years.
( What a normal person would say ) Dick Jauron, will probably be gone in 2 years.

Let me know how that shoe tastes.

Anyways, it is not a big leap to assume that Jauron has say in which players are drafted.

It's also not solid evidence to support your argument that he was primarily responsible for the drafting of the players you mentioned. Most likely....and this is an ASSUMPTION based on the primary role of the GM....the GM had more to do with those players being drafted than Dick. However, unlike you, I wasn't in there eating bad shrimp so I can't say for sure.

That said, unless you want to let me know about that shoe, I haven't asked any more questions. So feel free to hit ignore when ready.

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 10:15 PM

Oh really? Hmmm.....

Let me know how that shoe tastes.

It's also not solid evidence to support your argument that he was primarily responsible for the drafting of the players you mentioned. Most likely....and this is an ASSUMPTION based on the primary role of the GM....the GM had more to do with those players being drafted than Dick. However, unlike you, I wasn't in there eating bad shrimp so I can't say for sure.

That said, unless you want to let me know about that shoe, I haven't asked any more questions. So feel free to hit ignore when ready.

Even previous history that is controversial, you assert your opinion like it's fact. Dont worry, there is no need to fix your grammar, most people wont read your horsecrap anyways. ;)

There you go, junior. I know you have selective hearing, but incase you are a cave man, or just plain ******ed, that was what I was refering to! Good day.

It's also not solid evidence to support your argument that he was primarily responsible for the drafting of the players you mentioned. Most likely....and this is an ASSUMPTION based on the primary role of the GM....the GM had more to do with those players being drafted than Dick. However, unlike you, I wasn't in there eating bad shrimp so I can't say for sure.

I'm 99.9% sure, Dick Jauron had the last word, on which player was drafted. You are a very simple person, if you think otherwise. GM's do help scout out players, and work out contracts. However, it is the coaches last word that matters the most. If the GM tries to pull balognia like that, they get fired. See Donahoe's removal from Pittsburgh.

How about you tell me how my boot tastes after I remove it from your..

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 10:45 PM

There you go, junior. I know you have selective hearing, but incase you are a cave man, or just plain ******ed, that was what I was refering to! Good day.

This is actually kinda fun. You are so obviously skirting your mistakes now it's seriously funny. You explicitly stated you never said anything about predictions, yet I clearly and indisputably showed that you did. But keep it up, I'm sure it's entertaining for the rest of the gang here as well.

I'm 99.9% sure, Dick Jauron had the last word, on which player was drafted. You are a very simple person, if you think otherwise. GM's do help scout out players, and work out contracts. However, it is the coaches last word that matters the most. If the GM tries to pull balognia like that, they get fired. See Donahoe's removal from Pittsburgh.

I'm not quite sure what "bolognia" is, but the GM's primary job is to draft players and get FAs. If you think otherwise, well, there's not much more I can say.

How about you tell me how my boot tastes after I remove it from your..

Thanks, but I don't think there's much of your boot left given how much you've already eaten off of it.

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 11:01 PM

This is actually kinda fun. You are so obviously skirting your mistakes now it's seriously funny. You explicitly stated you never said anything about predictions, yet I clearly and indisputably showed that you did. But keep it up, I'm sure it's entertaining for the rest of the gang here as well.

I'm not quite sure what "bolognia" is, but the GM's primary job is to draft players and get FAs. If you think otherwise, well, there's not much more I can say.

Thanks, but I don't think there's much of your boot left given how much you've already eaten off of it.

This is actually kinda fun. You are so obviously skirting your mistakes now it's seriously funny. You explicitly stated you never said anything about predictions, yet I clearly and indisputably showed that you did. But keep it up, I'm sure it's entertaining for the rest of the gang here as well.

Lol, Im not 'skirting' anything. You pulled out a post like 2 pages ago, versus the recent post I was refering to. That goes beyond selective hearing, and more along the lines of sabotaging, my post! Nice try!! It is kind of funny, you act like you are superior in your demeanor, I'm glad I could drag you down to Earth. You have succeeded at one thing, changing the subject. I made the points, I wanted to make about Jauron. It's actually pretty funny hearing you whine about TOS violations! Get a life!

I'm not quite sure what "bolognia" is, but the GM's primary job is to draft players and get FAs. If you think otherwise, well, there's not much more I can say.

Wow, you sound like somebody straight out of kinigirly's tard blog. Did you ever notice on draft day, how the GM and the HC are sitting there next to each other, conversing? It's because the GM scouts the type of players the HC wants, and the HC picks the player, obviously the GM makes suggestions. Make no mistake, the HC gets to pick his own players. If you cant see that, you are 'special.' Its funny, the best you could do was point out one typo! :laughing:

Thanks, but I don't think there's much of your boot left given how much you've already eaten off of it.

I'm not even going to add to that, that is just ******ed.

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 11:07 PM

Lol, Im not 'skirting' anything. You pulled out a post like 2 pages ago, versus the recent post I was refering to. That goes beyond selective hearing, and more along the lines of sabotaging, my post! Nice try!! It is kind of funny, you act like you are superior in your demeanor, I'm glad I could drag you down to Earth. You have succeeded at one thing, changing the subject. I made the points, I wanted to make about Jauron. It's actually pretty funny hearing you whine about TOS violations! Get a life!

Wow, you sound like somebody straight out of kinigirly's tard blog. Did you ever notice on draft day, how the GM and the HC are sitting there next to each other, conversing? It's because the GM scouts the type of players the HC wants, and the HC picks the player, obviously the GM makes suggestions. Make no mistake, the HC gets to pick his own players. If you cant see that, you are 'special.' Its funny, the best you could do was point out one typo! :laughing:

I'm not even going to add to that, that is just ******ed.

Keep it up! The crowd wants more! :up:

PECKERWOOD

11-02-2006, 11:10 PM

Keep it up! The crowd wants more! :up:
Sure, give me a worthy response and I will give them just that.

Mr. Cynical

11-02-2006, 11:11 PM

Sure, give me a worthy response and I will give them just that.

And the hits just keep on comin' :jig:

pats-were-right

11-03-2006, 08:15 AM

spurrier is always trotted out to prove points, but he's a bit of an anomaly in coaching: remember, he mocked other NFL coaches for spending too many hours at work. jim haslett is the one i remember most clearly. in college, spurrier ran a gimmicky system that he thought would just automatically work in the NFL. in other words, it was all about pre-drawn X's and O's, with little work and little leadership and motivation. spurrier thought he could come to the NFL and play just as much golf as before: i wouldn't go comparing him to marv levy or any other coach who exhibits leadership and a work ethic. just sayin'...

Although I can't stand the guy, Spurrier wasn't exactly a disaster as an NFL coach. Two 6-10 seasons with a team that was assembled poorly (and not by him). Yeah he whiffed on Ramsey, but he was the last pick in the first round, not exactly a top ten.