Bigger, Faster, Stronger..

[Tatonka]

yeah.. sure TKO..

I basically forgot that he played for us..

I did see him sweating on the sidelines, but i have no idea why.

[SABURZFAN]

talk about somebody on the decline in their career...

[Nighthawk]

He's a ghost out there. It seems that the injury really took it's toll on him and he may never be the same.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Sam Cowart all over again.

[gr8slayer]

I dont want to believe it but it's true so far for the most part.

[BuffaloBillsStampede]

It's not like hes playing horrible first of all, second of all you all knew going in that it takes a long time to get back to your old self after this injury just ask Julian Peterson. I wouldn't give up on him just yet. Lets see if he shows some good signs down the stretch.

[ParanoidAndroid]

It's not like hes playing horrible first of all, second of all you all knew going in that it takes a long time to get back to your old self after this injury just ask Julian Peterson. I wouldn't give up on him just yet. Lets see if he shows some good signs down the stretch.

I hope you're right and he does come around. This season is a lost cause anyway, so maybe it would be in our best interest to limit his number of plays the rest of the way.

[BuffaloBillsStampede]

no it wouldn't because he needs to feel the speed of the nfl to get back if anything we need to play him a lot.

[Mr. Pink]

Well TKO was right about one thing....

BIGGER...his wallet sure is bigger now.

[patmoran2006]

Im gonna "sorta" disagree with this..

He is FAR from dominate, you're 100% on the money with that Tatonka.. But, I think he's coming along.. He looked a lot quicker Sunday than he did the week before. I mean none were bone-crushing, but he did have nine tackles.

I think he's going to get better. Not 2004 better, but significantly better than he's been til now.

[SABURZFAN]

his best days were in cincinatti.

[ICE74129]

He's a ghost out there. It seems that the injury really took it's toll on him and he may never be the same.I think some of us tried to tell you guys that. All the wishful thinking in the world isn't going to change the fact he isn't going to be anywhere near what he was

[THATHURMANATOR]

Give the guy a chance guys come on. He is trying to come back from the worst possible injury in the sport. Give him some time at least.

[HHURRICANE]

It's not like hes playing horrible first of all, second of all you all knew going in that it takes a long time to get back to your old self after this injury just ask Julian Peterson. I wouldn't give up on him just yet. Lets see if he shows some good signs down the stretch.

I don't have any issues with you Stampede and you are a good poster but Spikes isn't my brother, friend, or a cousion. As a fan, I don't need to be patient either. He's on the wrong side of 30 and this is an injury that you DON'T come back from and regain 100% of your ability. He's done and it's time to move on.

[HHURRICANE]

I think some of us tried to tell you guys that. All the wishful thinking in the world isn't going to change the fact he isn't going to be anywhere near what he was

The "some of us" was me. I knew the details better than most here but I got crap for it anyway. Santa is not real either. He's done so get over it and move on.

This idea that we have to give him a chance is ridiculous. For what? He got paid. I'd like to win around here. If he can't help us do that than let's stop wasting a roster spot. I watched the game and he was horrible. HORRIBLE! rewatch it if you don't believe me. Plus he looks like he ways 210 out there. Where's his muscle mass?

[Statman]

Sam Cowart all over again.
Yes. It's also unfair to blame him for it. Everyone knows that when you have an Achilles injury that you're never the same if you are a defender.

Can anyone blame TKO?

Why did anyone believe he would be back at full strength?

[Lee-83]

After this season cut him and start Ellison.

[madness]

Give the guy a chance guys come on. He is trying to come back from the worst possible injury in the sport. Give him some time at least.

Not to mention he's playing in a new scheme in which he has no experience. He can't rely just on his instincts anymore, a lot of things about his position are totally new to him. He's also way behind everyone else in terms of field experience since he never could go 'all out' this preseason.

You're a fool if you don't give him a whole season to come full stride, but let's not let facts get in the way... Let's string him up and add him to the list of 'reasons why we suck'! :bandwagon

[HHURRICANE]

You're a fool if you don't give him a whole season to come full stride, but let's not let facts get in the way... Let's string him up and add him to the list of 'reasons why we suck'! :bandwagon

He's going to get the whole season no-matter-what. Do we have anyone behind him? But he should get added to the list because he currently is a non-entity out there.

Plus you're carzy if you think we are keeping him next year for 5.5 million.

[Mr. Pink]

Not to mention he's playing in a new scheme in which he has no experience. He can't rely just on his instincts anymore, a lot of things about his position are totally new to him. He's also way behind everyone else in terms of field experience since he never could go 'all out' this preseason.

You're a fool if you don't give him a whole season to come full stride, but let's not let facts get in the way... Let's string him up and add him to the list of 'reasons why we suck'! :bandwagon


Did you happen to catch on the pick by KO, Spikes running upfield trailing the play....he was running with a limp. It has nothing to do with the new scheme and learning it. It has to do with the fact he's not healthy enough to be on the field to help this defense. At this point, he's a liability.

Will we ever regain his old form? no one knows.

But economics dictate he won't be on this roster next year unless he takes a huge paycut. He makes like what 6 million or 7 million? He's not worth the salary at this juncture.

[justasportsfan]

I'm willing to be patient. It's not like we were expecting to make playoffs this year anyways. If this year ws meant for our young players to develop, might as well use it to get him into the swing of things. We all knew this injury takes longer to heal than a torn ACL/MCL.

[Ickybaluky]

He's on the wrong side of 30 and this is an injury that you DON'T come back from and regain 100% of your ability. He's done and it's time to move on.

He is actually 29. He doesn't turn 30 until next month and won't enter the wrong side if it for 13 months.

Achilles injury aside, LB is not a position where you are done in your early 30's. There are tons of LB out there who perform well after 30, it is not like RB.

Time will tell if Spikes regains his pre-injury form, but there have been others that have done so. He is barely a year over his injury date, so he still has some time to go before he can be judged. That said, the second half of the season should be important to him, because he has to show improvement to justify his high salary next season. Based on the recovery other players have shown (Julian Peterson, Mike Brown, Ronald Curry), he should start to gain his old from back in the last couple months.

[madness]

He is actually 29. He doesn't turn 30 until next month and won't enter the wrong side if it for 13 months.

Achilles injury aside, LB is not a position where you are done in your early 30's. There are tons of LB out there who perform well after 30, it is not like RB.

Time will tell if Spikes regains his pre-injury form, but there have been others that have done so. He is barely a year over his injury date, so he still has some time to go before he can be judged. That said, the second half of the season should be important to him, because he has to show improvement to justify his high salary next season. Based on the recovery other players have shown (Julian Peterson, Mike Brown, Ronald Curry), he should start to gain his old from back in the last couple months.

As usual, :goodpost:

[justasportsfan]

He is actually 29. He doesn't turn 30 until next month and won't enter the wrong side if it for 13 months.

Achilles injury aside, LB is not a position where you are done in your early 30's. There are tons of LB out there who perform well after 30, it is not like RB.

Time will tell if Spikes regains his pre-injury form, but there have been others that have done so. He is barely a year over his injury date, so he still has some time to go before he can be judged. That said, the second half of the season should be important to him, because he has to show improvement to justify his high salary next season. Based on the recovery other players have shown (Julian Peterson, Mike Brown, Ronald Curry), he should start to gain his old from back in the last couple months.Like I said on a different thread, never underestimate the heart of a warrior.

Speaking of warriors, how's Seau been doing since he joined the Pats? Is he at least an asset?

[HHURRICANE]

Like I said on a different thread, never underestimate the heart of a warrior.

Speaking of warriors, how's Seau been doing since he joined the Pats? Is he at least an asset?

Let me try this again. In a month he will be on the wrong side of thirty. You don't pay 5.5 million for a guy with a bad achilles who is limping around the field. You just don't, no matter how big his heart is!!

[BuffaloBillsStampede]

I think everyone is being too hard in him and expecting too much from him at this point. I know he makes a lot of money, but that injury is a ***** to come back from and it takes almost a whole year of playing time to tell.

[raphael120]

think he'd take a pay cut? renegotiate? i mean...who really would pick him up?

remember, WE"RE the team that signs the washed up talent...he belongs here

[socalfan]

With Elison in there we were 2-2 with TKO in there we are 1-3.

[Ickybaluky]

Speaking of warriors, how's Seau been doing since he joined the Pats? Is he at least an asset?

Yeah, he has played well beyond expectations. He has picked up the system quickly and been stellar against the run. He has lost some range, obviously, but he still has great instincts and anticipates the play. He is a hard guy to fool and has really worked well inside with Bruschi, which has allowed Mike Vrabel to stay outside.

The question with Seau now remains his staying healthy. He hasn't made it through a full season in 5 years, so it hardly seems reasonable to expect him to last the season without missing some time. The Pats have been playing him inside on run downs, short yardage and goalline, so he isn't playing full-time. However, it is still a question whether he can hold up.

[justasportsfan]

Yeah, he has played well beyond expectations. He has picked up the system quickly and been stellar against the run. He has lost some range, obviously, but he still has great instincts and anticipates the play. He is a hard guy to fool and has really worked well inside with Bruschi, which has allowed Mike Vrabel to stay outside.

The question with Seau now remains his staying healthy. He hasn't made it through a full season in 5 years, so it hardly seems reasonable to expect him to last the season without missing some time. The Pats have been playing him inside on run downs, short yardage and goalline, so he isn't playing full-time. However, it is still a question whether he can hold up.
He and Montana were my favorite players of all time until Seau joined the fins and now the pats. :hitself:

[justasportsfan]

Let me try this again. In a month he will be on the wrong side of thirty. You don't pay 5.5 million for a guy with a bad achilles who is limping around the field. You just don't, no matter how big his heart is!!You don't just give up on a special player like Spikes too soon either. Like someone said here, if he doesn't improve towards the end of the season, then and only then will we need to reasses his contract with the team.

[DynaPaul]

Sam Cowart all over again.

Or Bryce Paup.

[HHURRICANE]

You don't just give up on a special player like Spikes too soon either. Like someone said here, if he doesn't improve towards the end of the season, then and only then will we need to reasses his contract with the team.

Bo Jackson was a special player. If he can't play, he can't play. He has til the end of the year no matter what. We'll see.

[G. Host]

Since Bills are obligated to pay him this year and are not in cap trouble next year the Bills ought to look for 'value' LBs in offseason but give TKO chance to show he is worth keeping in offseason. Bills could cut him just before game 1 if they needed to.

[Mr. Pink]

think he'd take a pay cut? renegotiate? i mean...who really would pick him up?

remember, WE"RE the team that signs the washed up talent...he belongs here


If we were to cut him, which I see as a 50/50 proposition right now, someone would pick him up with an incentive laden contract to see if he can prove he still belongs in the nfl.

Cowart was picked up after all and has played productive ball after the achilles, just took some time to recover.

In the salary cap NFL you can't afford to pay someone 5.5 mill for someone who's nowhere near 100%.

[PECKERWOOD]

With Elison in there we were 2-2 with TKO in there we are 1-3.

Yeah, get Ellison back in there so we can start winning again! :)

[BuffaloBillsStampede]

Yeah I am sure the Keith Ellison was the key to all those victories.......

[justasportsfan]

Bo Jackson was a special player. If he can't play, he can't play. He has til the end of the year no matter what. We'll see. Bo had an injury that even ended his baseball carreer ,and in football he a moving target. Spikes does the hitting. Apples and oranges.

In the meantime, spikes had an injury that people have been able to overcome especially with todays medical improvement.

[Lee-83]

20 tackles, **** you!

[R. Rich]

talk about somebody on the decline in their career...

That's a bit unfair. I still think Tatonka has potential.