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  • Yasgur's Farm
    Moderator
    • Feb 2005
    • 7091

    57% 3rd down conversion rate...

    That's what JP did against Indy when he was allowed to drop back on 3rd down...

    Ist quarter...
    3rd and 5... JP pass for 8 yards and a 1st down.
    3rd and 4... JP pass for 6 yards and a 1st down.
    3rd and 13... JP pass for 24 yards and a 1st down.

    Follwed by 3 straight run plays and a FG.

    2nd quarter...
    No 3rd down pass attempts

    3rd quarter...
    3rd and 10... Incomplete
    3rd and 1... Incomplete


    4th quarter...
    3rd and 6... JP pass for 24 yards and a 1st down.
    3rd and 5... sack.

    7 times JP dropped back to pass on 3rd down... 4 times he converted... That's a 57% conversion rate. Take away the attempt where he was sacked and we're looking at 67% conversion rate.

    TAKE THE HANDCUFFS OFF THE KID!!!
  • LtBillsFan66
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 35553

    #2
    Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...



    Percentages are useless when there are so few attempts.

    Look at "the kid" over the season and you'll see how lousy he is on 3rd downs.

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    • Yasgur's Farm
      Moderator
      • Feb 2005
      • 7091

      #3
      Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...

      Originally posted by billsfanone


      Percentages are useless when there are so few attempts.

      Look at "the kid" over the season and you'll see how lousy he is on 3rd downs.
      I would suggest that you do that exact same research... Your argument won't hold water.

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      • Patrick76777
        Registered User
        • Jul 2002
        • 17297

        #4
        Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...

        Originally posted by billsfanone


        Percentages are useless when there are so few attempts.

        Look at "the kid" over the season and you'll see how lousy he is on 3rd downs.

        I'm so sick of people saying, "the Kid"
        Resign our own guys!

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        • LtBillsFan66
          Registered User
          • Jul 2002
          • 35553

          #5
          Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...

          Guess what, sales at my company are up 100% from yesterday!!! Great, right? No. Yesterday we had one sale. Today we had 2. We should get 1,000 sales a day.

          See how percentages can be deceiving?

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          • LtBillsFan66
            Registered User
            • Jul 2002
            • 35553

            #6
            Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...

            Originally posted by Patrick76777
            I'm so sick of people saying, "the Kid"
            Well he does pout on the bench like a little baby, so maybe it's appropriate!

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            • Yasgur's Farm
              Moderator
              • Feb 2005
              • 7091

              #7
              Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...

              Originally posted by billsfanone
              Guess what, sales at my company are up 100% from yesterday!!! Great, right? No. Yesterday we had one sale. Today we had 2. We should get 1,000 sales a day.

              See how percentages can be deceiving?
              So... show the percentages for the year? Or are you just willing to make accusations without backing them?

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              • LtBillsFan66
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 35553

                #8
                Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...

                Originally posted by draz54
                So... show the percentages for the year? Or are you just willing to make accusations without backing them?
                Show JPs 3rd down percentages.

                My point was to put things in perspective.

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                • YardRat
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                  • Dec 2004
                  • 86290

                  #9
                  Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...

                  Take away the incompletions along with the sack and he's at 100%. Tremendous.
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                  • Yasgur's Farm
                    Moderator
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 7091

                    #10
                    Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...

                    Originally posted by YardRat
                    Take away the incompletions along with the sack and he's at 100%. Tremendous.
                    tThat's an ignorant statement...

                    I didn't omit any 3rd down pass attempts.

                    7 total attempts 4 1st downs... Simple as that.

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                    • Yasgur's Farm
                      Moderator
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 7091

                      #11
                      Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...

                      Originally posted by billsfanone
                      Show JPs 3rd down percentages.

                      My point was to put things in perspective.
                      Originally posted by billsfanone
                      Look at "the kid" over the season and you'll see how lousy he is on 3rd downs.
                      What's it gonna be?

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                      • patmoran2006
                        Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 19840

                        #12
                        Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...

                        Originally posted by draz54
                        That's what JP did against Indy when he was allowed to drop back on 3rd down...

                        Ist quarter...
                        3rd and 5... JP pass for 8 yards and a 1st down.
                        3rd and 4... JP pass for 6 yards and a 1st down.
                        3rd and 13... JP pass for 24 yards and a 1st down.

                        Follwed by 3 straight run plays and a FG.

                        2nd quarter...
                        No 3rd down pass attempts

                        3rd quarter...
                        3rd and 10... Incomplete
                        3rd and 1... Incomplete


                        4th quarter...
                        3rd and 6... JP pass for 24 yards and a 1st down.
                        3rd and 5... sack.

                        7 times JP dropped back to pass on 3rd down... 4 times he converted... That's a 57% conversion rate. Take away the attempt where he was sacked and we're looking at 67% conversion rate.

                        TAKE THE HANDCUFFS OFF THE KID!!!
                        I am going to agree with you, on your last sentence.

                        I say take the handcuffs off him too.

                        Let him throw 30-35 times per game for the rest of the season.. Personally, I think its a 2-3 turnover train wreck waiting to happen all the time.. BUT, it will be one less EXCUSE once it happens to keep this clown past this year.


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                        • patmoran2006
                          Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 19840

                          #13
                          Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...

                          For the record, Losman hasnt thrown a TD on third down this year, and he's been picked four times.. and coming into the Indy game, his 3rd down % was 25.7


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                          • Yasgur's Farm
                            Moderator
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 7091

                            #14
                            Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...

                            Originally posted by patmoran2006
                            For the record, Losman hasnt thrown a TD on third down this year, and he's been picked four times.. and coming into the Indy game, his 3rd down % was 25.7
                            Way to bring facts to the table... BillsFanOne could use a lesson from you.

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                            • Philagape
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                              • Jul 2002
                              • 19432

                              #15
                              Re: 57% 3rd down conversion rate...

                              Originally posted by patmoran2006
                              For the record, Losman hasnt thrown a TD on third down this year, and he's been picked four times.. and coming into the Indy game, his 3rd down % was 25.7
                              So he showed improvement.
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