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[Bling]

Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Marc Bulger
Donovan McNabb
Jon Kitna
Carson Palmer
Brett Favre
Philip Rivers
Tom Brady
Rex Grossman
Eli Manning
Jake Delhomme
Brad Johnson
Charlie Frye
Steve McNair
David Carr
Chad Pennigton
JP Losman
Alex Smith
Jake Plummer
Michael Vick

are the only QB's that have started all their team's 10 game this year. 21. JP ranks 18th in passing and 18th in TD.


There is 1 QB with more passing yards with less starts (Ben Roethlisbeger 1 less start, 477 more than JP), and 3 QB's within 400 yards with less starts (Damon Huard 2 less starts, Mark Brunell 1 less start, Joey Harrington 4 less starts).


Tony Romo, with 6 less starts, is 2 TD's behind and 488 passing yards behind.




Stats can be very easy to manipulate. I'm just telling you the stats that are real. Not QBs vs. the Texans Defense where there are huge variables.

[camelcowboy]

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Joey Harrington as the dolphin's qb still makes me laugh everytime i hear it.

[Gunzlingr]

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JP is 100% in completion percentage when it comes down to TD passes!

[justasportsfan]

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Stats can be very easy to manipulate. .

Agreed.

Do we have stats for the no. of times a qb was made to play caretaker and another saying how many times they are not allowed to audible?

[Wraith]

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Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Marc Bulger
Donovan McNabb
Jon Kitna
Carson Palmer
Brett Favre
Philip Rivers
Tom Brady
Rex Grossman
Eli Manning
Jake Delhomme
Brad Johnson
Charlie Frye
Steve McNair
David Carr
Chad Pennigton
JP Losman
Alex Smith
Jake Plummer
Michael Vick

are the only QB's that have started all their team's 10 game this year. 21. JP ranks 18th in passing and 18th in TD.


There is 1 QB with more passing yards with less starts (Ben Roethlisbeger 1 less start, 477 more than JP), and 3 QB's within 400 yards with less starts (Damon Huard 2 less starts, Mark Brunell 1 less start, Joey Harrington 4 less starts).


Tony Romo, with 6 less starts, is 2 TD's behind and 488 passing yards behind.




Stats can be very easy to manipulate. I'm just telling you the stats that are real. Not QBs vs. the Texans Defense where there are huge variables.

Nice try....

Every single QB on that list has more attempts than Losman. Losman has 262 passing attempts. The lowest attempts total of anyone higher on that list than him is David Carr at 285. Chad Pennington is the only other QB on your list with fewer than 300 attempts. Even Roethlisberger, with one fewer start, has thrown the ball 44 more times than Losman.

Now if we want to take a look at yards per attempt, which factors in how many times they throw the ball, you will see that Losman is 13th in the league, better than QBs such as Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Brad Johnson, Eli Manning, Chad Pennington, Jake Delhomme, and Steve McNair.

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Losman is also 16th in the league (out of 34 QBs who qualify) in TD rate, which takes into account how many passing attempts the QB has had.

You're right, statistics can be manipulated. You're doing it right now.

[OpIv37]

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and how many of those guys play behind OL's as bad as ours? How many only have 18 starts and only 10 in a new system? How many have receivers better than ours? How many played the schedule we did (NE twice, Chicago and Indy on the road, etc)?

having the same number of starts this season does not mean two QB's should be equal. You're oversimplifying, Bling.

[Statman]

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Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Marc Bulger
Donovan McNabb
Jon Kitna
Carson Palmer
Brett Favre
Philip Rivers
Tom Brady
Rex Grossman
Eli Manning
Jake Delhomme
Brad Johnson
Charlie Frye
Steve McNair
David Carr
Chad Pennigton
JP Losman
Alex Smith
Jake Plummer
Michael Vick

are the only QB's that have started all their team's 10 game this year. 21. JP ranks 18th in passing and 18th in TD.


There is 1 QB with more passing yards with less starts (Ben Roethlisbeger 1 less start, 477 more than JP), and 3 QB's within 400 yards with less starts (Damon Huard 2 less starts, Mark Brunell 1 less start, Joey Harrington 4 less starts).


Tony Romo, with 6 less starts, is 2 TD's behind and 488 passing yards behind.




Stats can be very easy to manipulate. I'm just telling you the stats that are real. Not QBs vs. the Texans Defense where there are huge variables.

How do you think JP would be on Dallas with their running game and line and D?

[Bling]

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Nice try....

Every single QB on that list has more attempts than Losman. Losman has 262 passing attempts. The lowest attempts total of anyone higher on that list than him is David Carr at 285. Chad Pennington is the only other QB on your list with fewer than 300 attempts. Even Roethlisberger, with one fewer start, has thrown the ball 44 more times than Losman.

That's where we go our separate ways. I believe the reason why he has less attempts is because the Bills' coaching staff doesn't trust Losman.

Now if we want to take a look at yards per attempt, which factors in how many times they throw the ball, you will see that Losman is 13th in the league, better than QBs such as Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Brad Johnson, Eli Manning, Chad Pennington, Jake Delhomme, and Steve McNair.

I can spin it too. If they don't think you're going to pass, it's easier to get yards, no?

You're right, statistics can be manipulated. You're doing it right now.

Look who's talking.



FACT: Bills don't like to pass. Why? Because they don't trust Losman, or because they think running is the best way to win? You decide.

[camelcowboy]

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Losman was told they were going to open up the play book, he responded with a big day. Maybe the bills should let the kid play, i don't know the number of total starts he has but, its probally less then most of the qbs on the list.

[BillsNick]

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Bling

[justasportsfan]

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How do you think JP would be on Dallas with their running game and line and D?

I just know Drew would commit suicide if that happened.

[Bling]

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and how many of those guys play behind OL's as bad as ours? How many only have 18 starts and only 10 in a new system? How many have receivers better than ours? How many played the schedule we did (NE twice, Chicago and Indy on the road, etc)?

having the same number of starts this season does not mean two QB's should be equal. You're oversimplifying, Bling.

Easy. Miami, Dallas, New Orleans, Detriot, San Fran, Houston, Cleveland all boast pretty bad O-Lines. But that's oversimplifying too.


Which is why I get to back to it. Do the Bills trust Losman? Is he proving anything against worthy opponents? Are you pulling any upsets? Is he making stupid mistakes still? Is he showing signs of life? Is he crippled by the Bills system?

[justasportsfan]

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FACT: Bills don't like to pass. Why? Because they don't trust Losman, or because they think running is the best way to win? You decide.

Where'd you pull those facts from?

[Wraith]

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That's where we go our separate ways. I believe the reason why he has less attempts is because the Bills' coaching staff doesn't trust Losman.



I can spin it too. If they don't think you're going to pass, it's easier to get yards, no?



Look who's talking.



FACT: Bills don't like to pass. Why? Because they don't trust Losman, or because they think running is the best way to win? You decide.

It's not spin, it's called normalizing the data, and it is what you do when you are comparing count data from unequal sample sizes.

[OpIv37]

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Easy. Miami, Dallas, New Orleans, Detriot, San Fran, Houston, Cleveland all boast pretty bad O-Lines. But that's oversimplifying too.


Which is why I get to back to it. Do the Bills trust Losman? Is he proving anything against worthy opponents? Are you pulling any upsets? Is he making stupid mistakes still? Is he showing signs of life? Is he crippled by the Bills system?

look, no one here is trying to deny that Losman has struggled. But you're trying to say that he's bad based on an incomplete and invalid comparison.

The only real way to judge him at this point is to look at his own personal improvement- is he learning from mistakes and doing certain things better now than he was at the beginning of this season? Comparing stats to other QB's in completely different situations is not going to tell us what we want to know about Losman- he needs to be judged on his own improvement and whether or not he's helping the team win. Hell, Drew Bledsoe had amazing numbers in 2002 and all it got us was 8-8.

Personally, I'm not entirely satisfied with Losman's progress over the course of the season so far, but he definitely showed signs of life on Sunday. So I'm going to evaluate him on his individual performance and not by comparing him to players he can't control on teams he can't control.