The Perfect place to build a new stadium for the BILLS

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

Meantime, Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown said his office will negotiate directly with Bass Pro to try to come to an agreement to put a store in the Aud, or on that site. If, after 30 days, there is no deal, the commission will begin to look for other suitors for the site.
http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=43444

[Devin]

With what money?

[Mitchy moo]

With what money?

Why can't RW borrow like $300 Before he passes and give back to the city of Buffalo for the new stadium and buy it himself?? I mean he can't take it with him and his family isn't going to struggle with the $450 Million dollar balance. Just offer him a tax break and incentive to do it!! :drive:

[Devin]

Why can't RW borrow like $300 Before he passes and give back to the city of Buffalo for the new stadium and buy it himself?? I mean he can't take it with him and his family isn't going to struggle with the $450 Million dollar balance. Just offer him a tax break and incentive to do it!! :drive:

I believe if it were that easy it would have been done.

[Gunzlingr]

Does this mean the new stadium will be in Tulsa?

[Mitchy moo]

Does this mean the new stadium will be in Tulsa?

Yep, right next to Ice's house. He'll be selling lawn space for parking for $20.00 a car, lol. :drive:

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

With what money?

They already have :$: 65 Million dollar deal in place for Bass Pro to come here and set up here in the old Aud or rip it down. If Bass Pro doesn't come just use the $65 Million to build the new stadium problem solved. :shake:

[Mitchy moo]

Ask Hilliary if she wants to be president and get us some big NY money for the only real NY state based team. I and everyone else in that town will vote for her then!!

[Devin]

They already have :$: 65 Million dollar deal in place for Bass Pro to come here and set up here in the old Aud or rip it down. If Bass Pro doesn't come just use the $65 Million to build the new stadium problem solved. :shake:

$65 Million? What will that build? The parking lot?

[Devin]

The sad reality is the Buffalo area cant support the Bills and Ralph apparently is unable OR unwilling to spend his own cash.

I dont hate him, hes been a great owner. But being unable to sellout the FIns game is sort of a testiment to that.

Honestly in a couple more seasons if not sooner I think the Bills are gone.

[The_Philster]

$65 Million? What will that build? The parking lot?
Yeah..:laughter: 65 Million wouldn't do more than put in the foundation

[Devin]

http://forums.speakupwny.com/showthread.php?t=9024

Some fellow "Buffalonians" explaining how the Bills can kiss thier ass, they arent giving them another dime.

I sure hope this isnt the consensus.

[The_Philster]

http://forums.speakupwny.com/showthread.php?t=9024

Some fellow "Buffalonians" explaining how the Bills can kiss thier ass, they arent giving them another dime.

I sure hope this isnt the consensus.
I think most WNYers have more upstairs than people like those I see on that board. Buffalo is on its way up...but slowly and struggling to do so. If we lose the Bills, it's gonna hurt the region bigtime

[raphael120]

sorry, im new to this whole idea...what is bass pro?

[The_Philster]

sorry, im new to this whole idea...what is bass pro?
Fishing and Outdoors store
http://www.basspro.com/

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

Rich Stadium/Ralph Wilson Stadium was built for :$: Construction cost $22 million USD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Wilson_Stadium

[Devin]

yeah almost 35 years ago.

Bare minimum you're looking 250-450 mil. And thats pretty basic.

[The_Philster]

Rich Stadium/Ralph Wilson Stadium was built for :$: Construction cost $22 million USD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Wilson_Stadium
ever heard of inflation? Take a look at the costs for newer stadiums while you're looking that stuff up

[raphael120]

Fishing and Outdoors store
http://www.basspro.com/


so theyre trying to get them to sign up to build a retail spot out by the lake?

thats what this is all about?:whoosh:

[The_Philster]

so theyre trying to get them to sign up to build a retail spot out by the lake?

thats what this is all about?:whoosh:
They were signed up to do just that...on the site of the Aud...they're backing out now

[The_Philster]

Paul Brown Stadium $455 M (2002)
LP Field $290 M (1999)
Reliant Stadium $352 M (2002)
Qwest Field $360 M (2002)
Invesco Field $364.2 M (2001)

[SABuffalo786]

You honestly think they'll be able to place an NFL sized stadium in the space between the HSBC tower, the News Building, the Arena, and the waterfront.


Seriously?

[The_Philster]

You honestly think they'll be able to place an NFL sized stadium in the space between the HSBC tower, the News Building, the Arena, and the waterfront.


Seriously?
someone hasn't seen that area if they actually think that....there's area south of the Arena that could be a good location, though

[SABuffalo786]

Yeah, South along Perry towards where they want(ed) to put the Casino.


Would really give that area the kick in the ass it needs.

[The_Philster]

Yeah, South along Perry towards where they want(ed) to put the Casino.


Would really give that area the kick in the ass it needs.
yep...I drive through that area once in a while and it just blows me mind how desolate it always seems to be

[Typ0]

I think most WNYers have more upstairs than people like those I see on that board. Buffalo is on its way up...but slowly and struggling to do so. If we lose the Bills, it's gonna hurt the region bigtime


You're out of your mind if you think people in this area are going to foot the bill for a new stadium. Fire departments and hospitals are being closed. Teachers and support workers are being laid off. The population of this area would have to be almost entirely stupid to fork over the $$$ for a new stadium while larger markets with more funding are paying nothing and getting their buildings built by the NFL. And the NFL is not going to be building a stadium here to make $10M a year when they can relocate and make $100M somewhere else. The only chance the Bills will stay in Buffalo is if there is enough time to get the economy on an upturn and take care of the real problems and then perhaps a luxury like an NFL team can be seen as a loss leader to pump up the image and income base of the area. Personally, I think the writing is on the wall and the Bills will be leaving town.

[The_Philster]

You're out of your mind if you think people in this area are going to foot the bill for a new stadium.Good thing I don't think that then, huh? ;)

[SABURZFAN]

according to ICE,the Bills won't be around long so why bother? :idunno:

[X-Era]

You're out of your mind if you think people in this area are going to foot the bill for a new stadium. Fire departments and hospitals are being closed. Teachers and support workers are being laid off. The population of this area would have to be almost entirely stupid to fork over the $$$ for a new stadium while larger markets with more funding are paying nothing and getting their buildings built by the NFL. And the NFL is not going to be building a stadium here to make $10M a year when they can relocate and make $100M somewhere else. The only chance the Bills will stay in Buffalo is if there is enough time to get the economy on an upturn and take care of the real problems and then perhaps a luxury like an NFL team can be seen as a loss leader to pump up the image and income base of the area. Personally, I think the writing is on the wall and the Bills will be leaving town.

The greatest non-issue ever!

Ralph just hasnt had his diaper changed in a while.

Were just fine, its a non-issue. He wants action on the small market issue and is clamoring for a resolution. Thats all, nothing more. There doing upgrades to the stadium including the big new Jumbotron. Ralphs full of crap (in his diaper) and everyone knows it.

It will get fixed its a matter of time.

[Nighthawk]

yeah almost 35 years ago.

Bare minimum you're looking 250-450 mil. And thats pretty basic.

If Ralph was smart, he would ask for the $150 million that he is entitled to by the NFL fund to build new stadiums. Therefore, the cost is less than you would think. Here is the facts...if the people of WNY want the Bills, then they will have to build a new stadium...case closed.

[Nighthawk]

You're out of your mind if you think people in this area are going to foot the bill for a new stadium. Fire departments and hospitals are being closed. Teachers and support workers are being laid off. The population of this area would have to be almost entirely stupid to fork over the $$$ for a new stadium while larger markets with more funding are paying nothing and getting their buildings built by the NFL. And the NFL is not going to be building a stadium here to make $10M a year when they can relocate and make $100M somewhere else. The only chance the Bills will stay in Buffalo is if there is enough time to get the economy on an upturn and take care of the real problems and then perhaps a luxury like an NFL team can be seen as a loss leader to pump up the image and income base of the area. Personally, I think the writing is on the wall and the Bills will be leaving town.

Lots of valid points, but a typical Buffalonian response. Everybody in this area seem to be quitters who just won't take the extra effort to get something done. The biggest quitters are the politicians, but with the attitude of some of the fans on this board it is hard to question why we might lose the Bills. How can Buffalo ever succeed if the people who live there don't believe in it?

[The_Philster]

they will have to build a new stadiumI don't think that's necessarily true. For one thing, short of some electronics work that'll be getting handled with the $20 M that's already going to the stadium, there's nothing really wrong with what we have.
For another, what would a new stadium do for us short of the short term work on construction? Higher ticket prices? The fans in the area, for the most part, couldn't afford to pay much more. Some season ticket holders would be priced out

[Nighthawk]

I don't think that's necessarily true. For one thing, short of some electronics work that'll be getting handled with the $20 M that's already going to the stadium, there's nothing really wrong with what we have.
For another, what would a new stadium do for us short of the short term work on construction? Higher ticket prices? The fans in the area, for the most part, couldn't afford to pay much more. Some season ticket holders would be priced out

Phil, you are totally and utterly wrong. Jacobs has said as much when asked if he is interested in purchasing the team. No new owner will buy this team without the assurance that a new stadium is built. The Ralph is a pile of crap and not a very good stadium to watch a game in. Those are facts. It's a dinosaur and the creature comforts are not there. A new stadium, one that is done right, would draw more fans and better atmosphere to the games. I for one, can't stand the atmosphere (or lack of it) at the Ralph. That is a major problem when trying to draw the casual fan.

[Typ0]

If Ralph was smart, he would ask for the $150 million that he is entitled to by the NFL fund to build new stadiums. Therefore, the cost is less than you would think. Here is the facts...if the people of WNY want the Bills, then they will have to build a new stadium...case closed.

if Ralph was smart he'd be selling or at least envision the team selling to the highest bidder. A lot of people think he's some shrewd owner but I see more evidence he's old and incompetent. He's called press conferences and not even known what day it is and told jokes that make absolutely no sense. There's a good chance he's grandstanding to point the blame at the NFL for the team leaving to save face with the people of WNY for an event he sees as inevitable.

[Typ0]

Phil, you are totally and utterly wrong. Jacobs has said as much when asked if he is interested in purchasing the team. No new owner will buy this team without the assurance that a new stadium is built. The Ralph is a pile of crap and not a very good stadium to watch a game in. Those are facts. It's a dinosaur and the creature comforts are not there. A new stadium, one that is done right, would draw more fans and better atmosphere to the games. I for one, can't stand the atmosphere (or lack of it) at the Ralph. That is a major problem when trying to draw the casual fan.

The real question is not the fans you guys are talking about but the corporate environment that will pay a premium cost for luxury suites. Without that solid corporate base willing to pay a new stadium is not feasible.

[Night Train]

It's not going to happen, so why talk nonsense ? It has nothing to do with a quitters mentality but the economics of Erie County and the State. Zero chance of funding.

I love the OP location and the current stadium.

[Nighthawk]

if Ralph was smart he'd be selling or at least envision the team selling to the highest bidder. A lot of people think he's some shrewd owner but I see more evidence he's old and incompetent. He's called press conferences and not even known what day it is and told jokes that make absolutely no sense. There's a good chance he's grandstanding to point the blame at the NFL for the team leaving to save face with the people of WNY for an event he sees as inevitable.

This is more like the truth than people might think. IMO, Ralph is in it for himself...not Buffalo and it looks like he is setting it up to make a big pocket of money for his kids before he dies. I don't trust Ralph.

[Typ0]

Lots of valid points, but a typical Buffalonian response. Everybody in this area seem to be quitters who just won't take the extra effort to get something done. The biggest quitters are the politicians, but with the attitude of some of the fans on this board it is hard to question why we might lose the Bills. How can Buffalo ever succeed if the people who live there don't believe in it?

this is another arguement that reduces it to "real fans" vs. "fairweather fans". This is the United States and the ordinary joe doesn't matter here nearly as much as the benjamins.

[Nighthawk]

It's not going to happen, so why talk nonsense ? It has nothing to do with a quitters mentality but the economics of Erie County and the State. Zero chance of funding.

I love the OP location and the current stadium.

Listen, the state can fund a new stadium and there are politicians now in office who can make it happen. Have faith my friend!

[Typ0]

It's not going to happen, so why talk nonsense ? It has nothing to do with a quitters mentality but the economics of Erie County and the State. Zero chance of funding.

I love the OP location and the current stadium.

the location stinks and make the stadium unfeasible. The people of OP don't want it there.

[X-Era]

Phil, you are totally and utterly wrong. Jacobs has said as much when asked if he is interested in purchasing the team. No new owner will buy this team without the assurance that a new stadium is built. The Ralph is a pile of crap and not a very good stadium to watch a game in. Those are facts. It's a dinosaur and the creature comforts are not there. A new stadium, one that is done right, would draw more fans and better atmosphere to the games. I for one, can't stand the atmosphere (or lack of it) at the Ralph. That is a major problem when trying to draw the casual fan.

And this my friends would by why Im happy to keep it the way it is!

Let the bandwagon jumpers pour into the Cowfags stadium, lets leave the cold and wind to the REAL fans, this is the home of the 12th man, NOT the 386th casual fan.

Its fine, would a new one be great? sure. Necessary? I honestly dont believe so. At least not next year or even the year after. Lets make a nice playoff march next year and the money will be there, TRUST ME!

[Nighthawk]

this is another arguement that reduces it to "real fans" vs. "fairweather fans". This is the United States and the ordinary joe doesn't matter here nearly as much as the benjamins.

True enough, but if you want something...you have to fight for it. People can't just let it happen, they have to make some noise and not just accept it as "just another business leaving Buffalo."

[Typ0]

Listen, the state can fund a new stadium and there are politicians now in office who can make it happen. Have faith my friend!

the state won't get that done. The voting population in NYC wouldn't even support a stadium on their own turf what makes you think they give two hoots about WNY?

[The_Philster]

The Ralph is a pile of crap and not a very good stadium to watch a game in. Those are facts.no...it's a matter of opinion. There's not a bad seat as far as viewing the game in the stadium...I've had seasons for 11 years...and short of the improvements needed in the electronics stuff, I can't complain about what we have there

creature comforts are not therelike what? You say creature comforts, I think of bells and whistles which are unnecessary and sometimes distractions

I for one, can't stand the atmosphere (or lack of it) at the Ralph. maybe you need to move to a different section :idunno:

[Nighthawk]

And this my friends would by why Im happy to keep it the way it is!

Let the bandwagon jumpers pour into the Cowfags stadium, lets leave the cold and wind to the REAL fans, this is the home of the 12th man, NOT the 386th casual fan.

Its fine, would a new one be great? sure. Necessary? I honestly dont believe so. At least not next year or even the year after. Lets make a nice playoff march next year and the money will be there, TRUST ME!

I'm sorry, but business is about getting the "casual" consumer to buy your product, the hardcore people will always be there. To succeed in business you better have an eye out for the casual fan or you will get burned!

[Typ0]

And this my friends would by why Im happy to keep it the way it is!

Let the bandwagon jumpers pour into the Cowfags stadium, lets leave the cold and wind to the REAL fans, this is the home of the 12th man, NOT the 386th casual fan.

Its fine, would a new one be great? sure. Necessary? I honestly dont believe so. At least not next year or even the year after. Lets make a nice playoff march next year and the money will be there, TRUST ME!


unfortunately these things have to be planned five years in advance. If they even want to talk about real efforts to keep the team here they should start sitting at the table now not later.

[Nighthawk]

the state won't get that done. The voting population in NYC wouldn't even support a stadium on their own turf what makes you think they give two hoots about WNY?

They wouldn't support a 1 billion dollar stadium, but a 350 million stadium (minus $150 million we can get from the NFL) is not that terrible...in the scheme of things.

[Typ0]

like what? You say creature comforts, I think of bells and whistles which are unnecessary and sometimes distractions


for one thing, this area needs a stadium that functions as more than just a place to hold 8 or 10 football games a year.

[The_Philster]

They wouldn't support a 1 billion dollar stadium, but a 350 million stadium (minus $150 million we can get from the NFL) is not that terrible...in the scheme of things.
That's still $200 M...quite a huge chunk of change

[The_Philster]

for one thing, this area needs a stadium that functions as more than just a place to hold 8 or 10 football games a year.
that part I will agree with...it does get used for more than just Bills games...some high school games...but that's not nearly enough. Even adding up the time the Bills practice in the stadium as well as what little time the Jills might use in there and the high schoolers...it's barely a month or two of use

[X-Era]

unfortunately these things have to be planned five years in advance. If they even want to talk about real efforts to keep the team here they should start sitting at the table now not later.

They are NOT leaving guys, not happening. The NFL wont let it happen, Ralph has a bigger set than the flippin Browns/Ravens ***. The fan base is there and will be getting better. Add in the fact that the revenue sharing has not come to a conclusion yet but has to.

Its not happening. Even if it were to occur, Golisano who is currently raking in the dough, will step up, I have no doubt. Whether it be a buyout or to restart the Bills a.l.a. the Browns.

This is crap thats been going on forever, let is rest until we need real concern. Ralphs silly mouth isnt cause for concern, its the full diaper Im telling ya.

[Nighthawk]

That's still $200 M...quite a huge chunk of change

Oh, I know, but I'm just saying it probably would be much easier to get that than what they were looking for. We're not talking about a small company we are trying to keep, we're talking about a mult-billion dollar company and that pulls a lot of weight.

[Nighthawk]

for one thing, this area needs a stadium that functions as more than just a place to hold 8 or 10 football games a year.

And this is where the Bills can work the magic needed to get it done. The city desperately needs a large convention center and that can be part of a dome/retractable roof stadium. It has to be multi-functional and then it would have a chance to get built. Just a football stadium has no prayer of being built.

[The_Philster]

Honestly, I think the idea of restarting the franchise like the Browns did is a longshot at best. Even before Modell ****ed over the Browns fans, Cleveland was making a lot of improvements...there were solid signs the city was getting better. Buffalo's improving, but not at nearly the same rate

[Typ0]

that part I will agree with...it does get used for more than just Bills games...some high school games...but that's not nearly enough. Even adding up the time the Bills practice in the stadium as well as what little time the Jills might use in there and the high schoolers...it's barely a month or two of use

Phil, that isn't even revenue generating use. It needs to hold at least 20 large revenue generating events preferrably more. Times they turn on the lights and create a lot of overhead with no revenues are a negative not a positive.

[Typ0]

Honestly, I think the idea of restarting the franchise like the Browns did is a longshot at best. Even before Modell ****ed over the Browns fans, Cleveland was making a lot of improvements...there were solid signs the city was getting better. Buffalo's improving, but not at nearly the same rate

didn't Modell lobby for a new stadium for over a decade only to get the finger every time?

[Typ0]

I don't see the NFL expanding in the US either.

[X-Era]

I don't see the NFL expanding in the US either.

OK, great, so after a HUGE Fins win you have managed to pull a Debby Downer here. Who exactly will become YOUR new team after we leave?

[The_Philster]

didn't Modell lobby for a new stadium for over a decade only to get the finger every time?
I don't know how long he lobbied for it...I do know he was rebuffed in his attempts, though. As I remember, they regarded the Browns as needing it less at the time than other things they were working on. Supposedly, he was next in line but no one knows that for sure except the politicians of Cleveland at the time

[The_Philster]

OK, great, so after a HUGE Fins win you have managed to pull a Debby Downer here. Who exactly will become YOUR new team after we leave?
some of us will give up on the NFL altogether...that's been the subject of dozens of threads here on the Zone

[X-Era]

some of us will give up on the NFL altogether...that's been the subject of dozens of threads here on the Zone

All of which I wished were moved to some new area, maybe X-files, conspericy theory forum, something.

[Bill Brasky]

http://forums.speakupwny.com/showthread.php?t=9024

Some fellow "Buffalonians" explaining how the Bills can kiss thier ass, they arent giving them another dime.

I sure hope this isnt the consensus.
what a bunch of ****in crybabies. i've never heard so many people ***** about money in my life. and these are probably a bunch of old crabby *******s living off everybody's social security and bleeding the system dry.

let the team walk and watch this area completely fall apart... taxes are gonna go up regardless if a new stadium is built or not... it amazes me that these idiots don't realize this.

[Typ0]

OK, great, so after a HUGE Fins win you have managed to pull a Debby Downer here. Who exactly will become YOUR new team after we leave?

I DIDN'T START THIS THREAD!