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  • Pride
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 10191

    Stupid Question... but

    I am truly trying to go against conventional thinking and question the reasoning for the use of Tight Ends in an offense.

    I understand the need when you have a Shockey, Gonzalez, or the like... but when you have average TE's... why bother having them on your roster?

    Instead of 3 wide with a TE, go 4 Wide or use an extra OLman at the TE spot.

    Can someone explain the basic reason for the TE positiion?
  • Bling
    Registered User
    • Jul 2004
    • 13022

    #2
    Re: Stupid Question... but

    I was thinking the same thing with how ****ty McMike is playing. You'd think they'd just put in another 'TE', some big LT, but I guess in theory, if you put a 300 lber, he wouldn't be fast enough to cover a CB or a LB? And I guess a TE always keeps a Defense honest and consider the possibility of a pass. It'd be an interesting thought to put in another T during a run play.

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    • THATHURMANATOR
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 69112

      #3
      Re: Stupid Question... but

      They do a lot of blocking Pride.

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      • RedEyE
        Registered User
        • Jul 2002
        • 24661

        #4
        Re: Stupid Question... but

        The TE opens a realm of offensive possibilites in your passing and running games. He can be sent in motion for run and pass protection. Pairing up a heafty but quick handed TE against a LB tends to be a mismatch most QBs love. And in the case of guys like Shockey or Gates, they can also be used as decoys to keep the running game rolling. Using a TE to pull off an OLB on one side as you run a pitch out can be just enough movement from the defense to gain some serious yardage. A lot of teams today are going to a double TE set for added pass protection and short yardage versatility. The Patriots are masters at running this style offense and can eat green as well as clock when using it.

        This is precisely why you want a TE that can not only block but has the ability to catch the ball as well. He needs to be big because most of his receptions are played in the middle of the field near bone crushing defensemen.

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        • Romes
          Registered User
          • Jul 2002
          • 5766

          #5
          Re: Stupid Question... but

          A tight end allows you to disguise if you are going to run or pass. Since, in theory, they can both block and catch.
          Originally posted by paladin warrior
          RALPH is drove me nut.

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          • Pride
            Registered User
            • Jul 2002
            • 10191

            #6
            Re: Stupid Question... but

            Originally posted by Romes
            A tight end allows you to disguise if you are going to run or pass. Since, in theory, they can both block and catch.

            Understood... but if you have an average TE that isnt much of a blocker (Royal), why not just put in a 4th WR?

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            • RedEyE
              Registered User
              • Jul 2002
              • 24661

              #7
              Re: Stupid Question... but

              Originally posted by Pride
              Understood... but if you have an average TE that isnt much of a blocker (Royal), why not just put in a 4th WR?
              When you have a below average line blocking, how can you expect Losman to find time to make the throw? Royal provides the added pass protection required and run blocking skills to help open holes.

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              • THATHURMANATOR
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 69112

                #8
                Re: Stupid Question... but

                Originally posted by Pride
                Understood... but if you have an average TE that isnt much of a blocker (Royal), why not just put in a 4th WR?
                Royal was brought to this team because he was a great blocker. He was never toughted as a pass catching TE in Washington.

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                • madness
                  Registered User
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 13690

                  #9
                  Re: Stupid Question... but

                  wikipedia gives about a good explanation as any. Simple answer... to keep the defense honest. The TE is an essential part of any offense.

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                  • Romes
                    Registered User
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 5766

                    #10
                    Re: Stupid Question... but

                    Originally posted by Pride
                    Understood... but if you have an average TE that isnt much of a blocker (Royal), why not just put in a 4th WR?
                    its a good question, the only thing i can think of is cause its more difficult to run out of a 4 WR set.

                    Royal has had less blunders blocking than he has had in the receiving game, though.
                    Originally posted by paladin warrior
                    RALPH is drove me nut.

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                    • Pride
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 10191

                      #11
                      Re: Stupid Question... but

                      This all makes sense I guess...

                      I suppose I would rather just put an extra OL in there on 3rd and 3 than have a "blocking" TE.

                      I especially don't like when we go with our "big package" that includes 3 TE's... so our third string TE is in there rather than a 2nd string Guard or Tackle... just makes no sense to me in 3rd and shorts or 4th and 1's.

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                      • THATHURMANATOR
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 69112

                        #12
                        Re: Stupid Question... but

                        Think of it like this Pride. If you didn't have a TE you would be blocking linebackers and D ends with a Wide receiver on run plays.

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                        • Pride
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 10191

                          #13
                          Re: Stupid Question... but

                          I understand that T... I guess my issue is on more obvious run plays... like a 3rd and 1.. why use a TE? Why not just throw in another OL who can probably better block a D end or LB.

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                          • Jan Reimers
                            Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
                            • May 2003
                            • 17353

                            #14
                            Re: Stupid Question... but

                            We have underutilized our TEs through the last several coaching staffs. If you think back to Pete Metzelaars and Keith (K-Gun) McKellar, you can remember their value.

                            Among other things, a good TE is of great help in the red zone.
                            Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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                            • Romes
                              Registered User
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 5766

                              #15
                              Re: Stupid Question... but

                              Originally posted by Jan Reimers
                              We have underutilized our TEs through the last several coaching staffs. If you think back to Pete Metzelaars and Keith (K-Gun) McKellar, you can remember their value.

                              Among other things, a good TE is of great help in the red zone.
                              if they can keep their toes in bounds
                              Originally posted by paladin warrior
                              RALPH is drove me nut.

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