Interesting stats

[SABURZFAN]

losman's record as a starter- 8 wins 15 losses


vince young's record as a starter- 8 wins 4 losses



that is Just Pathetic. :down:

[Stewie]

OMG you mean the first qb overall played better than the 4th qb chosen in their respective years?

NO WAY!

[gr8slayer]

Our run defense has been equally pathetic. Can't win if you can't stop the run.

[SABURZFAN]

i don't want to hear excuses....... :shakeno:

[gr8slayer]

i don't want to hear excuses....... :shakeno:
You mean facts? Run and stop the run. Best ways to win. We can't do either.

[TigerJ]

Teams win and teams lose. Vince Young is a rare talent, but he was never available to the Bills and could not have been under any circumstances I can think of. Quit your whining.

[SABURZFAN]

You mean facts? Run and stop the run. Best ways to win. We can't do either.



here's a fact.the Bills rush defense is ONE yard worst than the Titans.

here's ANOTHER fact.the Bills defense is 19th overall.the Titans defense is 32nd overall.



next excuse........ :rolleyes:

[SABURZFAN]

*crickets chirping*

[THATHURMANATOR]

Stop licking JP balls everyone! HE STINKS!

[justasportsfan]

losman's record as a starter- 8 wins 15 losses


vince young's record as a starter- 8 wins 4 losses



that is Just Pathetic. :down:I agree , Barry Sanders was a crappy rb. Look at his record. He blows


/sarcasm.



Pathetic thread.

[Mr. Cynical]

*crickets chirping*

:rofl:

While I'm not anywhere near as critical of JP as you are, there's something to be said about your comment.

[SABURZFAN]

I agree , Barry Sanders was a crappy rb. Look at his record. He blows


/sarcasm.



Pathetic thread.



worst post of the year. :down:

[Yasgur's Farm]

losman's record as a starter- 8 wins 15 losses


vince young's record as a starter- 8 wins 4 losses



that is Just Pathetic. :down:SAB... Do you really wanna be diggin a deeper hole for yourself when it's become obvious that you'll have to accept JP?

[SABURZFAN]

SAB... Do you really wanna be diggin a deeper hole for yourself when it's become obvious that you'll have to accept JP?


we can blame Donna Ho. :mad:

[Carlton Bailey]

Passing: Vince Young - 12 TDs, 11 INTs; JP Losman - 18 TDs, 12 INTs

As long as we're in the business of pointing out facts...

[Yasgur's Farm]

JP and Lee are 2 things to be thanking TD for.

[SABURZFAN]

Passing: Vince Young - 12 TDs, 11 INTs; JP Losman - 18 TDs, 12 INTs

As long as we're in the business of pointing out facts...


fact is,it took young less time to 8 wins than it did LOSSman.

[Gunzlingr]

Passer Rating:

JP #10 in the league - 86.8
VY #29 in the league - 69.7

Not to mention that the Titans D won more than 1 of those games.

[Mr. Cynical]

Passing: Vince Young - 12 TDs, 11 INTs; JP Losman - 18 TDs, 12 INTs

As long as we're in the business of pointing out facts...

Well to be fair, Vince had to split the first 2 games with Kerry Collins and didn't play in the 3rd.....not to mention Vince is a rookie and JP is in his 3rd year.

But I don't really wanna get into a Vince vs JP debate either. It's too early to know what Vince is all about and he plays for better coaches than JP. So it's not really apples to apples.

[Carlton Bailey]

fact is,it took young less time to 8 wins than it did LOSSman.

Was Vince Young ever corrupted by a horrific coaching staff? No. Odds are, if he had to deal with Mularkey, Clements and the rest of the stooges, he'd have experienced some troubled waters, too. Norm Chow is an excellent coach who knew exactly how to bring Young along.

Now that Losman has a more rational coaching staff, he's getting the job done -- and this is coming from a guy who wanted him gone after the 2-5 start. He really has shown me a lot of positives over the last eight weeks.

Give the guy a chance, and quit hating him for the sake of hating him.

Young's a great player, and hopefully Losman will be as well. Both are high-level AFC QBs right now, in my mind.

Also, Young was the third overall pick in his draft. Losman was the 22nd. There's a difference as to where the two are supposed to be. Young's expected to be better. When it comes to throwing the ball, it's been Losman. In terms of being multi-dimensional and winning games, it's Young right now.

[Dr. Lecter]

fact is,it took young less time to 8 wins than it did LOSSman.

And your point is?
The Bills don't have Vince Young on the roster and will not in the near future. They have Losman.

Let's try to be pretend we are all adults and talk about JP or other potential Bills QB's.

BTW, Aikamn went 1-15 his first year.

Pathetic, huh?

PS: If you are going to call a thread "Interesting Stas", please include some Inetersting Stats instead of the same tired rubbish.

[Gunzlingr]

Jim Kelly 8-16 as a starter.


Holy Crap, JP is better than Kelly by your logic, SAB!!!!

[Yasgur's Farm]

I hear SAB chuckling behind the curtain... Sucked them in again eeeh Sab?

Come lick with us SAB!

[SABURZFAN]

Passer Rating:

JP #10 in the league - 86.8
VY #29 in the league - 69.7

Not to mention that the Titans D won more than 1 of those games.


passer rating stats don't mean squat. :down:

[SABURZFAN]

BTW, Aikamn went 1-15 his first year.





this is LOSSman's THIRD year.



next........

[Dr. Lecter]

this is LOSSman's THIRD year.



next........In his first 16 starts he went 1-15.

[SABURZFAN]

Jim Kelly 8-16 as a starter.


Holy Crap, JP is better than Kelly by your logic, SAB!!!!


i don't see LOSSman taking us to a Super Bowl.we'll be lucky to make the playoffs with this bum. :rolleyes:

[Carlton Bailey]

this is LOSSman's THIRD year.



next........

There's no use crying over something that was impossible. There was no way Buffalo could have gotten Young. Why complain about it?

[SABURZFAN]

In his first 16 starts he went 1-15.


yeah...and it took him year 3 to get to 16 starts.



next.......

[Gunzlingr]

JP is a game better than Kelly. Superbowl baby!

[Dr. Lecter]

Bored today Sab?

You live in Vegas, isn't there something more fun to do than this?

[SABURZFAN]

There's no use crying over something that was impossible. There was no way Buffalo could have gotten Young. Why complain about it?


it's the Lickers who are complaining and crying.FYI,i didn't care for young either but i see that he's a better QB in his FIRST year than LOSSman in his THIRD year.

[SABURZFAN]

Bored today Sab?

You live in Vegas, isn't there something more fun to do than this?



no.


yes but i'm trying to educate you guys.you'll thank me down the road when you realize that SABURZFAN was right all along. :up:

[SABURZFAN]

JP is a game better than Kelly. Superbowl baby!


in the standings,it would be a 1/2 game. :up:

[Carlton Bailey]

it's the Lickers who are complaining and crying.FYI,i didn't care for young either but i see that he's a better QB in his FIRST year than LOSSman in his THIRD year.
That's like saying Michael Vick's a better QB than Marc Bulger, for instance. You're basically comparing apples to oranges. Young is a two-dimensional player who will rely a lot on his feet. Losman, though mobile, would rather hang in the pocket and find his receivers downfield.

P.S.

Most of the time, the QBs who stay in the pocket win the championships in this league. Am I saying Losman will win a Super Bowl and Young won't? Absolutely not. But you never know.

[Philagape]

This is like tourists at a zoo watching a chimpanzee throw a tantrum.

[Dr. Lecter]

Now, now people we should listen to Sab when it comes to patience in the world of sport.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=76825

[SABURZFAN]

This is like tourists at a zoo watching a chimpanzee throw a tantrum.


that's why i'm trying to train the Lickers. :up:

[Dr. Lecter]

Phil, don't compare Sab to a chimpanzee.

The SPCA will have you arrested for cruelty to animals.

[SABURZFAN]

Now, now people we should listen to Sab when it comes to patience in the world of sport.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=76825


that's right.people were all over ruff and regier.luckily,i straightened them out. :up:

[SABURZFAN]

Phil, don't compare Sab to a chimpanzee.

The SPCA will have you arrested for cruelty to animals.


all right Lecter.....quit monkeying around. :mad:

[Philagape]

Phil, don't compare Sab to a chimpanzee.

The SPCA will have you arrested for cruelty to animals.


Not a comparison ... a metaphor :D


I was analogizing the experience of this thread.

[Dr. Lecter]

I defended you!

[Ingtar33]

SABURZFAN

this is like comparing david carr to payton manning. And blaming the Texans for not drafting payton (that's right, they couldn't, they weren't in existence when payton was drafted). Then contently measuring Carr's worth against manning, and holding that like a club over the team and management, and coaches for nto getting the same out of Carr. At least those two were 1st overall picks.

You're comparing a no.3 to a no.22 in two separate drafts. Worse, you're blaming the no.22 for being picked two years before young, even thought the Bills had NO chance to take Young at no.3 last year.

Why don't you compare losman to chad pennington, while your at it? (at least CP went around the same point in the 1st round as JP, though its an equally inane argument)

Oh, I know, Lets look at Tom Brady vs Vince Young... at least the Bills could have drafted Brady.

Brady: 3rd Round
Young: 3rd overall

Brady: 0 starts rookie year
Young: 12

Brady: 3 superbowl campionships, plus a superbowl MVP.
Young: 1 National Championship

What's the point. I know I'd hate to start in a new job and be contently compared against someone in a different situation for another company who has been doing it for longer/shorter then i have, and making more/less then i am.

We have JP, he'll be our starting quarterback through the rest of his rookie contract, likely beyond, we'll probably have JP under center for this team for the next 4 years min.

Deal with it.

[SABURZFAN]

SABURZFAN

this is like comparing david carr to payton manning. And blaming the Texans for not drafting payton (that's right, they couldn't, they weren't in existence when payton was drafted). Then contently measuring Carr's worth against manning, and holding that like a club over the team and management, and coaches for nto getting the same out of Carr. At least those two were 1st overall picks.

You're comparing a no.3 to a no.22 in two separate drafts. Worse, you're blaming the no.22 for being picked two years before young, even thought the Bills had NO chance to take Young at no.3 last year.

Why don't you compare losman to chad pennington, while your at it? (at least CP went around the same point in the 1st round as JP, though its an equally inane argument)

Oh, I know, Lets look at Tom Brady vs Vince Young... at least the Bills could have drafted Brady.

Brady: 3rd Round
Young: 3rd overall

Brady: 0 starts rookie year
Young: 12

Brady: 3 superbowl campionships, plus a superbowl MVP.
Young: 1 National Championship

What's the point. I know I'd hate to start in a new job and be contently compared against someone in a different situation for another company who has been doing it for longer/shorter then i have, and making more/less then i am.

We have JP, he'll be our starting quarterback through the rest of his rookie contract, likely beyond, we'll probably have JP under center for this team for the next 4 years min.

Deal with it.


i'll continue to state my opinions so deal with it.

[Philagape]

Why compare anyone to anybody?

Who cares?

Why not also list all the RBs better than our first-round coup, the great Willis McGahee?

Let's make a big chart of all the players in the NFL and see where ours rank at every position.

:crazy:

[SABURZFAN]

Why compare anyone to anybody?

Who cares?

Why not also list all the RBs better than our first-round coup, the great Willis McGahee?

Let's make a big chart of all the players in the NFL and see where ours rank at every position.

:crazy:



when you have it all done,you let us know.

[SquishDaFish]

Pathetic thread started by the SPAMMASTER once again.

[YardRat]

http://www.2zmtns.com/usa/ak/fishing_cordova/dayscatch.jpg

[Dr. Lecter]

Hey SAB:

I thought you were performing no evaluations until AFTER the season?????

[SABURZFAN]

Hey SAB:

I thought you were performing no evaluations until AFTER the season?????


our season was over AFTER we lost to the Titans.

[Coach Sal]

losman's record as a starter- 8 wins 15 losses

vince young's record as a starter- 8 wins 4 losses

that is Just Pathetic. :down:

Peyton Manning's record as a starter- 8 wins 15 losses

His first 23 starts he had the exact same record as JP Losman.

This is a pointless stat.


But I also agree with you that Passer Rating (it's not QB Rating) is a pointless stat.

[bills_7]

how do ppl still come on here and rip JP... unreal
are u even bills fans?

[The_Philster]

how do ppl still come on here and rip JP... unreal
are u even bills fans?
some people just enjoy spamming the Bills forum with mindless hatred :idunno:
Certain people have hated JP all along and will continue to hate him even after he helps hoist the Lombardi Trophy

[YardRat]

some people just enjoy spamming the Bills forum with mindless hatred :idunno:
Certain people have hated JP all along and will continue to hate him even after he helps hoist the Lombardi Trophy

And yet they are 'justifiably' treated differently, in the opinions of some, then others that 'spam the Bills forum with mindless hatred' toward Jauron, Levy, Lindell, McGahee, Price, Parrish, Villariel, Fowler, Spikes, Ralph Wilson, Denney, Kelsay, Tripplet, Schobel, Anderson, and on and on.....

That's bull****.

[The_Philster]

And yet they are 'justifiably' treated differently, in the opinions of some, then others that 'spam the Bills forum with mindless hatred' toward Jauron, Levy, Lindell, McGahee, Price, Parrish, Villariel, Fowler, Spikes, Ralph Wilson, Denney, Kelsay, Tripplet, Schobel, Anderson, and on and on.....

That's bull****.
mindless hatred is idiotic no matter whom it's directed towards, in my book

[SABURZFAN]

And yet they are 'justifiably' treated differently, in the opinions of some, then others that 'spam the Bills forum with mindless hatred' toward Jauron, Levy, Lindell, McGahee, Price, Parrish, Villariel, Fowler, Spikes, Ralph Wilson, Denney, Kelsay, Tripplet, Schobel, Anderson, and on and on.....

That's bull****.


of course it is.then you get the "are you even a Bills fan?" crap to go with it.i guess we're supposed to be a bunch of mindless sheep and go along with everything that goes on.

[Yasgur's Farm]

There's a difference between complaining about a person and obsessing over it.

However, in SAB's case, I believe he does this just to stir up the pot... I'm gonna nickname him "SPOON".

I'll bet SAB sack hugs just like the rest of us.

[SABURZFAN]

:laughter:

[mybills]

My sig sums it up perfectly.

btw, SAB, you are wrong.

[Yasgur's Farm]

mybills... D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F.? equals... Do I look like I give a f***?

It's a beautiful mind.

[X-Era]

losman's record as a starter- 8 wins 15 losses


vince young's record as a starter- 8 wins 4 losses



that is Just Pathetic. :down:

I bet back in the day, there were a few "fans" that constantly *****ed about Jim Kelly too.

Basically, the few fans who hate him like you are the final proof that JP is as good as Jim Kelly.

:bringit:

[SABURZFAN]

My sig sums it up perfectly.

btw, SAB, you are wrong.



:laughter:


did somebody spike your Geritol again?

[SABURZFAN]

I bet back in the day, there were a few "fans" that constantly *****ed about Jim Kelly too.

Basically, the few fans who hate him like you are the final proof that JP is as good as Jim Kelly.

:bringit:



i didn't like kelly for another reason.

[YardRat]

Basically, the few fans who hate him like you are the final proof that JP is as good as Jim Kelly.

:bringit:

Uhhhh....OK. That pretty much speaks for itself.

[justasportsfan]

However, in SAB's case, I believe he does this just to stir up the pot...

I'll bet SAB sack hugs just like the rest of us.
yes and yes,

I'm sure SAB has a half naked poster of JP right on his headboard.

[Yasgur's Farm]

yes and yes,

I'm sure SAB has a half naked poster of JP right on his headboard.:nod:

[SABURZFAN]

yes and yes,

I'm sure SAB has a half naked poster of JP right on his headboard.



says the guy with full nudes of him. :rolleyes:

[justasportsfan]

says the guy with full nudes of him. :rolleyes:

Cmon SAB. Cynical is acutally harsh on the bills but at least he tries to back it up with football talk and not SPAM threads. You never used to crave for attention. Why start now especially with spam? trying to win a BZ award?

[TacklingDummy]

Passer Rating:

JP #10 in the league - 86.8
VY #29 in the league - 69.7

Not to mention that the Titans D won more than 1 of those games.

And the Bills D/Special teams won about 6 of the Bills wins.

[SABURZFAN]

Cmon SAB. Cynical is acutally harsh on the bills but at least he tries to back it up with football talk and not SPAM threads. You never used to crave for attention. Why start now especially with spam? trying to win a BZ award?


:laughter:


you say that you're sure that i have half naked posters of LOSSman on the headboard and you turn around and cry about spam.you're as big of a hypocrite as some of the other Lickers around here.

[mybills]

mybills... D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F.? equals... Do I look like I give a f***?

It's a beautiful mind.

Yes..Like myself, I don't think Andy Capp gives a f*** what SAB thinks.
But that's my title, not my sig. :;

[mybills]

:laughter:


did somebody spike your Geritol again?
Did somebody spike your baby formula?

[SABURZFAN]

Yes..Like myself, I don't think Andy Capp gives a f*** what SAB thinks.
But that's my title, not my sig. :;



:laughter:

[SABURZFAN]

Did somebody spike your baby formula?


:yawn:

[mybills]

Must be time for your nappy, eh?

[Yasgur's Farm]

And the Bills D/Special teams won about 6 of the Bills wins.TD... You on the other hand obsess. You run in a group with Fin & Jet trolls.

Soon you'll be abandoned to fend for yourself when SAB moves to the town of Hugsacktawaga located in heart of Lickland. :knock:

[justasportsfan]

:laughter:


you say that you're sure that i have half naked posters of LOSSman on the headboard and you turn around and cry about spam.you're as big of a hypocrite as some of the other Lickers around here.


this thread is all spam bro. So I decided to play along. :D

[SABURZFAN]

TD... You on the other hand obsess. You run in a group with Fin & Jet trolls.

Soon you'll be abandoned to fend for yourself when SAB moves to the town of Hugsacktawaga located in heart of Lickland. :knock:


:laughter:


that was funny. :up:

[SABURZFAN]

Must be time for your nappy, eh?



reading your posts will do that to people. :rolleyes:

[mybills]

this thread is all spam bro. So I decided to play along. :D
shhhh! it's time for his nap.

[SABURZFAN]

shhhh! it's time for his nap.


:yawn:



see what i mean?reading your posts just puts people to.........




:z:

[mybills]

well, as long as you don't talk in your sleep, I'm ok with that. :evil:

[evol4276]

losman's record as a starter- 8 wins 15 losses


vince young's record as a starter- 8 wins 4 losses



that is Just Pathetic. :down:
having fun?

[PECKERWOOD]

i don't want to hear excuses....... :shakeno:

Ok, so you're saying that we should just cut Losman?

[Typ0]

we never had a shot at VY. Leinart and Cutler were a reality. We should have drafted one of those guys to stick a boot up JPs ass.

[Typ0]

Ok, so you're saying that we should just cut Losman?


no...I think he's saying to stop making excuses. Give it a rest. JP got screwed around by the coaches last year because he didn't start every game. He got screwed around yada yada. He's been in the league 4 years. No more excuses. We could have had a QB in the draft that would have played well enough earlier in the season to win games against teams like the JESTS and Detroit. Defending JP Losman for playing like crap is a joke. I'm glad he's gotten better....but he's really done nothing yet.

[gr8slayer]

Ok, so you're saying that we should just cut Losman?
"I wont tell you until after the season."

[Dr. Lecter]

And yet they are 'justifiably' treated differently, in the opinions of some, then others that 'spam the Bills forum with mindless hatred' toward Jauron, Levy, Lindell, McGahee, Price, Parrish, Villariel, Fowler, Spikes, Ralph Wilson, Denney, Kelsay, Tripplet, Schobel, Anderson, and on and on.....

That's bull****.

And those that defend JP are justifiably labeled "lickers" or "Homers".

[SABURZFAN]

And those that defend JP are justifiably labeled "lickers" or "Homers".



NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!those that continue to make excuses for LOSSman are Lickers and Homers.

[gr8slayer]

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!those that continue to make excuses for LOSSman are Lickers and Homers.
So what do you call people who continue to make excuses for the Defense and McGahee?

[SABURZFAN]

So what do you call people who continue to make excuses for the Defense and McGahee?


i see more bashers against the Defense and McGahee than people who make excuses.

[Dr. Lecter]

You are evading the question SAB.

Very Cheney-like!

[SABURZFAN]

You are evading the question SAB.

Very Cheney-like!



wanna go hunting???

[jmb1099]

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!those that continue to make excuses for LOSSman are Lickers and Homers.
The time for excuses is over, that I agree with, so has the time for being stupid about this. Losman has played well since the bye that is a fact.