Ingtar, lets talk safety...

[Tatonka]

why is it that Doss's stock is dropping? what did you think of him.

what cover safeties did you see at the combine that really stick out to you? i assume we need a true cover safety and not a run stuffer like the kid from USC right?

[BADTHINGSMAN]

Im not Ingtar, but I thought Doss was a pretty good safety at Ohio State. Was womdering that myself.

I think his name is Gamble not sure. But he played WR/CB for the Buckeyes. Showed good strengths at both could be a second rounder.

[SoCalBillsFan]

gamble is not coming out in the draft yet. He is going to be a junior at ohio state I believe.

[venis2k1]

are we going for an all Ohio State secondary????

[The_Philster]

Sounds like a good idea to me :up:

[Earthquake Enyart]

Both those Notre Dame safeties were pretty good too. I think both were seniors??

[Ingtar33]

hmmm, Doss is dropping because most are concerned about two things... one, his height (5'10") is a little small for either FS or SS... Two, he's not a very good cover guy, and NFL teams simply wouldn't draft a SS with coverage problems this early.

Furthermore Doss is dropping because so many other players (at other positions) are rising, and he didn't give anyone anything to talk about.

The no.1 FS in this upcoming draft will probably be R. Mathis... he was the no.2 FS on most boards but moved up mainly because he ran the fastest 40 time of the lot. He is now likely to be drafted anywhere from the late first round to the late second. In my post combine review I mentioned Mathis as the possible FS the Bills will make their first pick, now its looking more likely that he wouldn't be on the board when the Bills pick...

If we get the 23rd pick form atl, we could trade down and pick him up around 28-37 (where he really should go), or keep it and get Doss (he should still be on the board), moving him to FS… a position I think he might be able to play with a little seasoning.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Didn't Doss run a crappy 40 at the combine, too?

[Ingtar33]

Mike Doss didn't do any workouts at the combine (just a physical& interview)... neither did any of the other top SS. Mathis was about the only one who did the workouts (understandable too because he is a D-1AA player), and really improved his stock with his numbers.

[Tatonka]

what other options are out there for a cover FS that they may look at say 3rd - 5th rounds?

[SoCalBillsFan]

hey Ingtar, what have you heard about shane walton (DB from Notre Dame) and his draft status? I haven't heard much about him, despite the fact that he was one of the nation's best this year. What is his status?

[Fatwhite02]

Troy pamlou(USC)??????? what about him

[Tatonka]

the usc safety is much like coy wire.. all hits, no coverage.. he is a true SS, not a FS at all.

[JefftheBillsfan]

he's awful in coverage.

[SoCalBillsFan]

Originally posted by JefftheBillsfan
he's awful in coverage.

he was good in coverage, not anywhere close to awful. He could cover pretty well in college. But at the pro level is isn't gonna be a free safety, he's a hard hitter and a playmaker. Coverage is not his strong point by any means

[Ingtar33]

First of all, T's right about the USC SS

Secondly Shane Walton ran a really disappointing 40 at the combine (4.62s) which makes him the 3rd slowest DB in the draft (behind Goss and Roberts who both ran a 4.68)... he will probably go rather late... furthermore he's small 5'10" so its iffy where he'll play (FS/CB). He'll probably be a 2nd day pick