Dolphins 72 perfect season on CBS right now

[Jaydog57]

If anybody's interested, ok I'll duck now :couch: :peace:

[LtFinFan66]

:bravo: No ducking from this kid! Bills fans are watching Thurmans well deserved HOF selection

[feelthepain]

Best SB team ever!!

[MikeInRoch]

Not really. But keep deluding yourself.

[feelthepain]

Not really. But keep deluding yourself.

Read'em and weep, cry baby!

http://ag.nfl.com/

[MikeInRoch]

Looks like #7 on this list...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=super/rankings/1-20

[feelthepain]

Looks like #7 on this list...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=super/rankings/1-20

And who was on that panel...Chris "fatboy, Im a Bill and 49er lover" Berman?? The other site is far more legit, I don't see the ESPN getting any national, recognition for their opinions, The America's Game series was on CBS and dedicated an entire televised series counting down the best teams, not some obscure web page. How many of the 6 teames ranked above Miami had gone undefeated through the whole season, but still had to play their conference Championship game on the road??? No one, but the Dolphins, in Pittsburgh a week after the "immaculate reception"!. There is a reason only one team has ever done what Miami's done.

[Jaydog57]

And who was on that panel...Chris "fatboy, Im a Bill and 49er lover" Berman?? The other site is far more legit, I don't see the ESPN getting any national, recognition for their opinions, The America's Game series was on CBS and dedicated an entire televised series counting down the best teams, not some obscure web page. How many of the 6 teames ranked above Miami had gone undefeated through the whole season, but still had to play their conference Championship game on the road??? No one, but the Dolphins, in Pittsburgh a week after the "immaculate reception"!. There is a reason only one team has ever done what Miami's done. Great post. :respect:

[kgun12]

There is a reason only one team has ever done what Miami's done.

Cause there schedule was weak and they only played 14 games! :idunno:

1972 Kansas City Chiefs Record: 8 - 6 - 0
1972 Houston Oilers Record: 1 - 13 – 0
1972 Minnesota Record: 7 - 7 - 0
New York Jets Record: 7 - 7 – 0
San Diego Chargers Record: 4 - 9 – 1
1972 Buffalo Bills Record: 4 - 9 – 1
1972 Baltimore Colts Record: 5 - 9 – 0
1972 New England Patriots Record: 3-11-0
1972 St. Louis Cardinals Record: 4 - 9 – 1
1972 New York Giants Record: 8 - 6 - 0

[MikeInRoch]

While it is true that most of the teams ahead of the Dolphins on the ESPN list would have had trouble beating them, given the refs record of giving the Dolphins all the calls - those other teams were better teams. Just don't expect the NFL to admit they were making sure they won for Shula.

[feelthepain]

Cause there schedule was weak and they only played 14 games! :idunno:

1972 Kansas City Chiefs Record: 8 - 6 - 0
1972 Houston Oilers Record: 1 - 13 – 0
1972 Minnesota Record: 7 - 7 - 0
New York Jets Record: 7 - 7 – 0
San Diego Chargers Record: 4 - 9 – 1
1972 Buffalo Bills Record: 4 - 9 – 1
1972 Baltimore Colts Record: 5 - 9 – 0
1972 New England Patriots Record: 3-11-0
1972 St. Louis Cardinals Record: 4 - 9 – 1
1972 New York Giants Record: 8 - 6 - 0

Since when does the schedule matter?? They still had to play the games, and doesn't playing your backup QB all year count for anything?? Or Playing your playoff games on the road even though you had a better record?? You can't just look at the advantages Miami may have had when there were just as many disadvantages.

Miami also shut down the Redskins rushing attack which was number 1 in the NFL that year. Miami also had the #1 Offense and #1 Defense in the league, Miami's the only team in History to hold that honor as a SB winner to this day.

[kgun12]

Since when does the schedule matter?? They still had to play the games, and doesn't playing your backup QB all year count for anything?? Or Playing your playoff games on the road even though you had a better record?? You can't just look at the advantages Miami may have had when there were just as many disadvantages.

Miami also shut down the Redskins rushing attack which was number 1 in the NFL that year. Miami also had the #1 Offense and #1 Defense in the league, Miami's the only team in History to hold that honor as a SB winner to this day.

:blah: WEAK SCHEDULE!!!

[feelthepain]

:blah: WEAK SCHEDULE!!!


ONLY ARGUMENT!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Do you really any other argument. I don't think anyone will argue that it was an accomplishment. But, is it really wrong to think that there were better Super Bowl teams? I mean, if a team loses a game or two during the season, why are the Dolphins better? Because they didn't lose a game during the season. I think there are teams that are better than the Dolphins. If you think they are the best ever then that is great, you have an opinion. If guys over here think they aren't the best ever, guess what, they have an opinion also, get over it. I think there are teams that were better. I will pick a team, the '84 49ers who lost one game.

They lost to a 9-7 Steelers team that year. That is all. The only other game that was even close was that they lost by 3 to the Rams on the last game of the year.

They were second in the league with 475 points for. The team higher than that was the Dolphins who they crushed in the Super Bowl. Their defense gave up 227 points, the next closest team to that was the Broncos who gave up 241.

They had a total of 6544 yards of offense. That was an average of 409 yards per game. They gave up 5539 for an average of 346.

Miami had a total of 5195 yards for an average of 371 yards but the defense gave up 3577 for an average of 256.

The 49ers sent 10 players to the Pro Bowl in 1984, the Dolphins sent 9.

In the playoffs the Dolphins won close games in all, winning by 6, 4, and 7.
The 49ers won by 11, 23, and 22.

What else do you want. If you think the Dolphins are the greatest team ever so be it. I don't think they are, nor do a majority of people outside of Miami.

[kgun12]

ONLY ARGUMENT!!!!!!!!!!!

But a good one!!! :funny:

[Mitchy moo]

ONLY ARGUMENT!!!!!!!!!!!

I bet that Saban made the old 72' alumni crew proud this year.

[feelthepain]

But a good one!!! :funny:

That's your opinion, typical Bill fan looking to knock another teams accomplishemnts, because the Bills have done nothing except loose the biggest game there is. How tough were the Bills schedules especially in the division the 4 years between 89 and 93???

[Mitchy moo]

That's your opinion, typical Bill fan looking to knock another teams accomplishemnts, because the Bills have done nothing except loose the biggest game there is. How tough were the Bills schedules especially in the division the 4 years between 89 and 93???

We had to play Miami twice and we treated your team like small farm animals, so you might say we had a easy time there.

[MikeInRoch]

Yeah, Miami won a couple tropheys. A third of a CENTURY ago. Were you even alive then?

[kgun12]

How tough were the Bills schedules especially in the division the 4 years between 89 and 93???

1990 Bills 13-3 (6 teams over .500 )

1990 Indianapolis Colts 1990 Record: 7 - 9 - 0
Miami Dolphins Record: 12 - 4 - 0
1990 New York Jets Record: 6 - 10 – 0
1990 Denver Broncos Record: 5 - 11 – 0
1990 Los Angeles Raiders Record: 12 - 4 _0
1990 New England Patriots Record: 1 - 15 – 0
1990 Cleveland Browns Record: 3 - 13 – 0
1990 Phoenix Cardinals Record: 5 - 11 – 0
1990 Houston Oilers Record: 9 - 7 – 0
1990 Philadelphia Eagles Record: 10 - 6 – 0
1990 New York Giants Record: 13 - 3 – 0
1990 Washington Redskins Record: 10 - 6 - 0

1991 (3 team .500 or better)

1991 Miami Dolphins Record:8 - 8 – 0
1991 Pittsburgh Steelers Record: 7 - 9 – 0
1991 New York Jets Record:8 - 8 – 0
1991 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Record: 3 - 13 – 0
1991 Chicago Bears Record: 11 - 5 – 0
1991 Kansas City Chiefs Record: 10 - 6 – 0
1991 Indianapolis Colts Record: 1 - 15 – 0
1991 Cincinnati Bengals Record: 3 - 13 – 0
1991 New England Patriots Record: 6 - 10 – 0
1991 New England Patriots Record: 6 - 10 – 0
1991 Los Angeles Raiders Record: 9 - 7 – 0
1991 Detroit Lions Record: 12 - 4 - 0


Miami 1972 (2 teams above .500)

1972 Kansas City Chiefs Record: 8 - 6 - 0
1972 Houston Oilers Record: 1 - 13 – 0
1972 Minnesota Record: 7 - 7 - 0
New York Jets Record: 7 - 7 – 0
San Diego Chargers Record: 4 - 9 – 1
1972 Buffalo Bills Record: 4 - 9 – 1
1972 Baltimore Colts Record: 5 - 9 – 0
1972 New England Patriots Record: 3-11-0
1972 St. Louis Cardinals Record: 4 - 9 – 1
1972 New York Giants Record: 8 - 6 - 0

:scratch: Still want to ask this question! :tap:

[kgun12]

How tough were the Bills schedules especially in the division the 4 years between 89 and 93???

1992 Bills (6 teams above .500 )

1992 Los Angeles Rams Record: 6 - 10 – 0
1992 San Francisco 49ersRecord: 14 - 2 – 0
1992 Indianapolis Colts Record: 9 - 7 – 0
1992 New England Patriots Record: 2 - 14 – 0
1992 Miami Dolphins Record: 11 - 5 – 0
1992 Los Angeles Raiders Record: 7 - 9 - 0
1992 New York Jets Record: 4 - 12 – 0
1992 Pittsburgh Steelers Record: 11 - 5 – 0
1992 Atlanta Falcons Record: 6 - 10 – 0
1992 Denver Broncos Record: 8 - 8 – 0
1992 New Orleans Saints Record: 12 - 4 – 0
1992 Houston Oilers Record: 10 - 6 – 0

1993 (7 teams above .500 )

1993 New England Patriots Record: 5 - 11 – 0
1993 Dallas Cowboys Record: 12 - 4 – 0
1993 Miami Dolphins Record: 9 - 7 – 0
1993 New York Giants Record: 11 - 5 – 0
1993 Houston Oilers Record: 12 - 4 – 0
1993 New York Jets Record: 8 - 8 – 0
1993 Washington Redskins Record: 4 - 12 – 0
1993 Pittsburgh Steelers Record: 9 - 7 – 0
1993 Indianapolis Colts Record: 4 - 12 – 0
1993 Kansas City Chiefs Record: 11 - 5 – 0
1993 Los Angeles Raiders Record: 10 - 6 – 0
1993 Philadelphia Eagles Record: 8 - 8 - 0

:scratch: Still want to ask this question! :tap:

[feelthepain]

1990 Bills 13-3 (6 teams over .500 )

1990 Indianapolis Colts 1990 Record: 7 - 9 - 0
Miami Dolphins Record: 12 - 4 - 0
1990 New York Jets Record: 6 - 10 – 0
1990 Denver Broncos Record: 5 - 11 – 0
1990 Los Angeles Raiders Record: 12 - 4 _0
1990 New England Patriots Record: 1 - 15 – 0
1990 Cleveland Browns Record: 3 - 13 – 0
1990 Phoenix Cardinals Record: 5 - 11 – 0
1990 Houston Oilers Record: 9 - 7 – 0
1990 Philadelphia Eagles Record: 10 - 6 – 0
1990 New York Giants Record: 13 - 3 – 0
1990 Washington Redskins Record: 10 - 6 - 0

1991 (3 team .500 or better)

1991 Miami Dolphins Record:8 - 8 – 0
1991 Pittsburgh Steelers Record: 7 - 9 – 0
1991 New York Jets Record:8 - 8 – 0
1991 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Record: 3 - 13 – 0
1991 Chicago Bears Record: 11 - 5 – 0
1991 Kansas City Chiefs Record: 10 - 6 – 0
1991 Indianapolis Colts Record: 1 - 15 – 0
1991 Cincinnati Bengals Record: 3 - 13 – 0
1991 New England Patriots Record: 6 - 10 – 0
1991 New England Patriots Record: 6 - 10 – 0
1991 Los Angeles Raiders Record: 9 - 7 – 0
1991 Detroit Lions Record: 12 - 4 - 0


Miami 1972 (2 teams above .500)

1972 Kansas City Chiefs Record: 8 - 6 - 0
1972 Houston Oilers Record: 1 - 13 – 0
1972 Minnesota Record: 7 - 7 - 0
New York Jets Record: 7 - 7 – 0
San Diego Chargers Record: 4 - 9 – 1
1972 Buffalo Bills Record: 4 - 9 – 1
1972 Baltimore Colts Record: 5 - 9 – 0
1972 New England Patriots Record: 3-11-0
1972 St. Louis Cardinals Record: 4 - 9 – 1
1972 New York Giants Record: 8 - 6 - 0

:scratch: Still want to ask this question! :tap:


In all of those stats you only show Buffalos win/loss record in 1990, who did they lose to and how many loses were there in the other three years and to whom? Also like I said look how weak the division was for the Bills, Miami was the only good team they faced and that was only 2 out of the 4 seasons. NE won what, 8 games in 4 years? The Jets were just as pathetic and the Colts weren't much better, basically the division was a joke for those 4 years.

BTW, the Bills never won the SB, and if they made it there 4 times in a row "throug such a tough schedule" (saercastic), then why didn't they win it all since they played such superior talent, to get there??? You seem to think the schedule dictates who wins and who loses, well your theory doesn't wash here. Obviously if the Bills could beat all those great teams...whats just one more win??

They couldn't beat any of the teams they faced in the SB, because they weren't good enough. They didn't have the pressure of doing something that had never been done before, like going undefeated, nope, all they had to do was win the big one and they couldn't. So I know you want so believe with every ounce of your soul that Miami's shcedule was the only reason they went undefeated, but that's simply because we are talking about the Dolphins.

Do you think in all 40 years....just since the SB was created, not the entire history of football that Miami was the only team to ever have a schedule like the one they had in 72?? Was Miami the only team in 72 to have the schedule they had? No, so obviously others should have won nearly every game.....since the schedule was so easy. Football's been around a very long time and in all the years this sport has been played, no team but Miami, has won every last game. So keep on clining to your little tiny detail, I'll hold onto the record.

[kgun12]

In all of those stats you only show Buffalos win/loss record in 1990, who did they lose to and how many loses were there in the other three years and to whom? Also like I said look how weak the division was for the Bills, Miami was the only good team they faced and that was only 2 out of the 4 seasons. NE won what, 8 games in 4 years? The Jets were just as pathetic and the Colts weren't much better, basically the division was a joke for those 4 years.

BTW, the Bills never won the SB, and if they made it there 4 times in a row "throug such a tough schedule" (saercastic), then why didn't they win it all since they played such superior talent, to get there??? You seem to think the schedule dictates who wins and who loses, well your theory doesn't wash here. Obviously if the Bills could beat all those great teams...whats just one more win??

They couldn't beat any of the teams they faced in the SB, because they weren't good enough. They didn't have the pressure of doing something that had never been done before, like going undefeated, nope, all they had to do was win the big one and they couldn't. So I know you want so believe with every ounce of your soul that Miami's shcedule was the only reason they went undefeated, but that's simply because we are talking about the Dolphins.

Do you think in all 40 years....just since the SB was created, not the entire history of football that Miami was the only team to ever have a schedule like the one they had in 72?? Was Miami the only team in 72 to have the schedule they had? No, so obviously others should have won nearly every game.....since the schedule was so easy. Football's been around a very long time and in all the years this sport has been played, no team but Miami, has won every last game. So keep on clining to your little tiny detail, I'll hold onto the record.

Wow that was pretty long winded! I don't believe the question was about the amount of SB's the Bills won cause that would be a mute point and I realize that! However I think your question was:
"How tough were the Bills schedules especially in the division the 4 years between 89 and 93???
and I answered that! If you didn't believe you need to defend Miami's WEEK shedule in 1972, you wouldn't keep changing the debate!

[kgun12]

They couldn't beat any of the teams they faced in the SB, because they weren't good enough.

1990, and 1993 they beat the Giants and the Cowboys in the regular season, but lost to them in the SB. So your statement is clearly wrong, again.

[feelthepain]

1990, and 1993 they beat the Giants and the Cowboys in the regular season, but lost to them in the SB. So your statement is clearly wrong, again.


Hmmmm, really??? Which game really matters? You lost to the Giants in a game that mattered, what did it matter that you beat them earlier in the season, it wasn't a superbowl or playoff game, so who cares.

As for defending Miami's schedule, I could care less how it lays out, your the one with the schedule issues. As I already stated there's about 80 years of football where in any team could have gone undefeated, strong shcedule or weak....One undefeatd team in 80's years and your hung up on a schedule. Spin whatever you need to spin to take the credit away from the Dolphins, but at the end of the day the Dolphins are still the only undefeated team in history in any pro sport.

Miami played the:

10-4 Cleveland Browns
11-3 Pittsburgh Steelers
11-3 Washington Redskins

In the playoffs in 1972, Miami had to go on the road in frigid Pittsburgh to play a tough Steelers team that the weak before had beaten a 10-3-1 Oakland team in the divisional round of the playoffs with the "imaculate reception". You think that was an easy task for Miami to go there and win that game? Name another team in hstory that was undefeated, yet found themselves on the road in the Conference championship game against a team as good as Pittsburgh. Miami put up 21 on the Steel curtain! That only gave up 175 points all year, while holding an Offense that put up over 350 points, to just 17. You want so badly to knock the season as if they did nothing to win it all, they faced damn good football teams in the playoffs and won two of the three games on the road. I don't see these stats in your notes....Gee I wonder why? Oh yeah, cause you just want people to think Miami had a cake walk through their perfect season, typical Bills fan only see what you want to see.

BTW, the 85 Bears that everyone here loves to talk about, their toughest division opponent, was Greenbay at 8-8. And the Bears didn't play any playoff game on the road, but the Superbowl, And the Bears weren't playing their backup QB all year either, like Miami. I here you talk about Miami's weak schedule, but I don't hear a word from you about Miami having to play their backup QB all year, but I guess that's not nealry as important as who was on their schedule....to you!

[kgun12]

Again everytime you make a statement, I answered it and then you say it doesn't matter. ie They couldn't beat any of the teams they faced in the SB, because they weren't good enough. I clearly showed you they were. But then you say "which game really matters. I don't think that is what your statement asked for. Again even the simpliest person would know which game really mattered. Doh! Silly me trying to agrue with someone you is not sure what there are arguing about! :oops:

[feelthepain]

Again everytime you make a statement, I answered it and then you say it doesn't matter. ie They couldn't beat any of the teams they faced in the SB, because they weren't good enough. I clearly showed you they were. But then you say "which game really matters. I don't think that is what your statement asked for. Again even the simpliest person would know which game really mattered. Doh! Silly me trying to agrue with someone you is not sure what there are arguing about! :oops:


I see, so as long as we discuss only what you consider valid in thie argument we're good?!?!?!?!?

Look, you still haven't answered the question about Miami's backup QB situation, you claim the schedule was easy, I showed the post season wasn't, you said the Bills had this tough schedule even though they had some easy games too, but couldn't win when it counted. It's all about winning when it counts, Miami won the easier games and the tough games...with their backup QB! Bottom line Miami won all their games and no one else has GOT IT JEHTRO???? Talk about slower then a box of rocks!

And BTW, Miami still has their SB trophy form that "easy" season, what do the Bills have? The tropy for being the only team to CHOKE 4 strait years.....why don't you foucus on that.

[The_Philster]

1991 (3 team .500 or better)

1991 Miami Dolphins Record:8 - 8 – 0
1991 Pittsburgh Steelers Record: 7 - 9 – 0
1991 New York Jets Record:8 - 8 – 0
1991 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Record: 3 - 13 – 0
1991 Chicago Bears Record: 11 - 5 – 0
1991 Kansas City Chiefs Record: 10 - 6 – 0
1991 Indianapolis Colts Record: 1 - 15 – 0
1991 Cincinnati Bengals Record: 3 - 13 – 0
1991 New England Patriots Record: 6 - 10 – 0
1991 New England Patriots Record: 6 - 10 – 0
1991 Los Angeles Raiders Record: 9 - 7 – 0
1991 Detroit Lions Record: 12 - 4 - 0
you missed one :D

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

The '85 Bears beat the following teams and records above .500 when they lost one game to a good Dolphins team:

New England - 11-5
NY Jets - 11-5
Washington - 10-6
San Francisco - 10-6
Green Bay Twice - 8-8
Dallas - 10-6

Then in the playoffs beat:
NY Giants - 10-6
Los Angeles Rams - 11-5
New England Patriots again - 11-5

I will say this team is better than the '72 Dolphins on that alone.

If that doesn't satisfy, their offense:

Offense: 6064 yards - per game - 379
Defense: 4618 yards - per game - 289

Rushing yards: 2411


In the playoffs they won by: 21, 24, & 36. They gave up a total of 10 points in the playoffs. That was 10 in the Super Bowl. That was 10 points with a touchdown in the 4th quarter by the Patriots.

The '85 Bears were better.

[kgun12]

Look, you still haven't answered the question about Miami's backup QB situation, you claim the schedule was easy, I showed the post season wasn't, you said the Bills had this tough schedule even though they had some easy games too, but couldn't win when it counted. It's all about winning when it counts, Miami won the easier games and the tough games...with their backup QB! Bottom line Miami won all their games and no one else has GOT IT JEHTRO???? Talk about slower then a box of rocks!

OK OK OK Yes they went undefeated, something that probably will never happen again! Mainly cause the talent level is more equal. I didn't want to got here cause it was too easy, but you keep bringing it up. Yes your team played and won all year with a back up QB. The reason I haven't acknowledged this point is obvious, you have made my original point, the Dolphins had a:

WEAK SCHEDULE!!! :roflmao: