View Full Version : The magic number is 18 points
Ebenezer
03-01-2007, 02:58 AM
Any combination of Buffalo earning 18 points and Toronto not earning points 18 points and the Sabres clinch a playoff berth. :up:
BlackMetalNinja
03-01-2007, 05:15 AM
Any combination of Buffalo earning 18 points and Toronto not earning points 18 points and the Sabres clinch a playoff berth. :up:
Something tells me that's not going to happen by the 3/10 date I chose to win some ZBs...
YardRat
03-01-2007, 05:57 AM
I can't remember what I picked, but I think it was later than that.
Mitchy moo
03-01-2007, 06:02 AM
Oh boy, is it still that high??
MikeInRoch
03-01-2007, 10:53 AM
How did you get 18? Looks like we have a 20 point lead on them (plus a game in hand).
Ebenezer
03-01-2007, 02:36 PM
How did you get 18? Looks like we have a 20 point lead on them (plus a game in hand).
Of the teams currently out of the playoffs Toronto can accumulate the most points if they were to win ALL of their games - 105. For them to be the 9th team in the league (which would have to happen for the Sabres to clinch) the Sabres would have to get to 105 to clinch. Hence, 18 points.
Ebenezer
03-03-2007, 03:06 AM
Buffalo now has 91 points and needs 14 points to get to 105.
The magic number is 14 points. Any combination of 7 Sabres regulation wins and 7 Maple Leaf regulation losses and the Sabres clinch a playoff spot.
Remember that this number can move depending on the team that could finish in 9th. IF Toronto went on a run and another team slipped the magic number would be calculated on that other team.
BlackMetalNinja
03-03-2007, 06:28 AM
How bout we get a combination of a Sabres win AND a Leaf loss tonight :up:
Mitchy moo
03-03-2007, 08:31 AM
How bout we get a combination of a Sabres win AND a Leaf loss tonight :up:
91 points gets you a playoff spot normally, so I think we can do more.
BlackMetalNinja
03-03-2007, 08:49 PM
Down to just 10 points now! Toronto and the Rangers both have a maxium of 103 points, and the Sabres are now at 93. Theoretically, I could come close on that pool with my March 10th guess, if we win our next 3 games and the Rangers and Leafs each lose a few times!
Ebenezer
03-04-2007, 07:09 AM
Down to just 10 points now! Toronto and the Rangers both have a maxium of 103 points, and the Sabres are now at 93. Theoretically, I could come close on that pool with my March 10th guess, if we win our next 3 games and the Rangers and Leafs each lose a few times!
I think Boston is still in on that too...they could, in theory, get to 103.
Ebenezer
03-06-2007, 11:53 PM
After tonights action the Sabres magic number is still 10 points. The target has changed a little though. Toronto has moved into the 8th spot which means the best that one of the other teams can do is 103 points - the Rangers.
hammerbillsfan
03-07-2007, 12:00 AM
Magic number is 11:
http://zorak.best.vwh.net/nhl/
Ebenezer
03-07-2007, 12:20 AM
Magic number is 11:
http://zorak.best.vwh.net/nhl/
that is incorrect. the first tie break is wins...the Rangers and Boston can finish with no more than 48...Should they win out the Sabres would win with 103 points because they would have 49 wins.
hammerbillsfan
03-07-2007, 12:24 AM
Yeah but Buffalo could get to 103 pts other than getting to 49 wins (OT losses).
Ebenezer
03-07-2007, 12:25 AM
Yeah but Buffalo could get to 103 pts other than getting to 49 wins (OT losses).
Yeah, I guess in theory that is correct...ok...11 points.
hammerbillsfan
03-07-2007, 12:28 AM
:dizzy: I get confused looking at all those numbers.
Ebenezer
03-07-2007, 12:33 AM
:dizzy: I get confused looking at all those numbers.
I like that chart...makes me not have to do the math...it helps exclude each team!
hammerbillsfan
03-07-2007, 12:35 AM
It auto updates when ESPN.com changes their standings. :up:
Ebenezer
03-07-2007, 12:35 AM
Magic number is 11:
http://zorak.best.vwh.net/nhl/
they updated...the magic number over Boston is 9 :lol!:
Ebenezer
03-13-2007, 02:25 AM
The magic number over Toronto (who would be the 9th place finisher) is now 9 points.
Ebenezer
03-15-2007, 11:36 PM
The magic number over Toronto is 6 points and over the Rangers it is 5. It is possible that by Monday the Sabres will have clinched.
LtFinFan66
03-15-2007, 11:41 PM
So Sunday, my prediction of them clinching tomorrow could be correct :up:
Ebenezer
03-15-2007, 11:49 PM
So Sunday, my prediction of them clinching tomorrow could be correct :up:
:shakeno:
LtFinFan66
03-16-2007, 12:02 AM
:rofl:
BlackMetalNinja
03-16-2007, 09:50 PM
The Canadiens and Leafs both lost tonight, and the Rangers lost in OT... We're that much closer! I think the magic # is down to 1... unless of course I just can't do math at all!
this is all a bunch of crap. the job in the regular season is not done until we win the league.
BlackMetalNinja
03-16-2007, 09:55 PM
this is all a bunch of crap. the job in the regular season is not done until we win the league.
Agreed, this is merely for contest purposes. Which I have already lost, so I don't know why I care actually.
Agreed, this is merely for contest purposes. Which I have already lost, so I don't know why I care actually.
oh sorry I forgot Eb offered up the contest.
YardRat
03-16-2007, 10:20 PM
I'm closer than I thought I'd be a couple of weeks ago.
I hope I got in the contest and said this weekend sometime. If not...Eb can I get a late entry?
MikeInRoch
03-16-2007, 10:33 PM
We've clinched now! See my thread... :D
CuseJetsFan83
03-17-2007, 01:49 AM
technically we havent clinched yet...............
NYI currently has the 8th spot and are 4 points away from not catching up to us...
NYR/TOR both are 1 point from not catching up to us.... so basically any points in our next game and we're in
BlackMetalNinja
03-17-2007, 06:41 AM
Like I said, 1 is the magic number. Any non regulation win from the Rangers and Leafs, or any point gained by us, and we're in...
Eastern Conference
GP (http://zorak.best.vwh.net/nhl/answers.html#about4) W (http://zorak.best.vwh.net/nhl/answers.html#about4) L (http://zorak.best.vwh.net/nhl/answers.html#about4) OTL (http://zorak.best.vwh.net/nhl/answers.html#about4) PTS (http://zorak.best.vwh.net/nhl/answers.html#about4)|BUF (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=buf) NJD (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=njd) ATL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=atl) PGH (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=pit) OTT (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=ott) TBL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=tam) CAR (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=car) NYI (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=nyi) NYR (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=nyr) TOR (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=tor) MTL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=mon) BOS (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=bos) FLA (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=fla) WSH (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=was) PHI (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=phi)
BUF (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/clubhouse?team=buf):NE 71 46 19 6 98| ... 19 7 15 14 5 *** =4 1 1 *** *** *** *** ***
Ugh, that'd didn't format well, but if you line up the numbers, it's 1 for the Rangers and Leafs
MikeInRoch
03-17-2007, 06:47 AM
But we're past Carolina, the 8 seed. So if one of those teams gets to 99, they are 7, and we are 8.
BlackMetalNinja
03-17-2007, 06:49 AM
But we're past Carolina, the 8 seed. So if one of those teams gets to 99, they are 7, and we are 8.
Carolina is currently the 7th seed, the Islanders are the 8. Though the Islanders have 2 games in hand on Carolina.
MikeInRoch
03-17-2007, 06:50 AM
It doesn't matter what seed Carolina is. What matters is that they cannot catch us.
GThirst
03-17-2007, 10:38 AM
Islanders are seventh. 2 games less played and higher win percentage.
Ebenezer
03-17-2007, 12:27 PM
Both the NYR and Tor can catch Carolina so that game is pivotal. They are playing right now. The loser of that game cannot catch the Sabres.
The only teams that could catch Buff would be:
NJD
ATL
PGH
OTT
TBL
NYI
NYR/TOR Winner
It would appear that 3/17 is going to be the winner.
MikeInRoch
03-17-2007, 12:34 PM
Why isn't 3/16 the winner? It was automatic yesterday...
Ebenezer
03-17-2007, 12:46 PM
Why isn't 3/16 the winner? It was automatic yesterday...
do they have an X next to their name yet? no.
MikeInRoch
03-17-2007, 12:49 PM
So because the media hasn't caught on it's not 'official'?
There are, as of yesterday, exactly ZERO possible scenarios which cause Buffalo to miss the playoffs. Which is, to me, what 'clinch' means.
MikeInRoch
03-17-2007, 12:52 PM
http://www.wgr550.com/sabres/fullstory.php?id=2249
Ebenezer
03-17-2007, 12:58 PM
the NHL hasn't even said it is official.
BlackMetalNinja
03-17-2007, 01:08 PM
Well I feel better that at least we aren't the only ones that were having the debate then. That WGR article is proof. Nice work Mike.
Ebenezer
03-17-2007, 01:11 PM
I understand that they are in. Today's game will just make it "official". NHL.com doesn't even have them marked as clinched.
chernobylwraiths
03-17-2007, 01:23 PM
I understand that they are in. Today's game will just make it "official". NHL.com doesn't even have them marked as clinched.
I don't understand. It IS official. The only reason it is not official is because the NHL is using numbers showing that both teams can earn more points. However, they CAN'T earn those points. Buffalo is the ONLY team that has CLINCHED a playoff birth. If you accept the math, then you have to accept that the Sabres clinched last night.
Mitchy moo
03-17-2007, 01:24 PM
I understand that they are in. Today's game will just make it "official". NHL.com doesn't even have them marked as clinched.
Mathematically they clinched yesterday, the 16th. The scheduled game would go on as planned irregardless and it's a done deal. If this was the NFL, it would of been brought up 790 times, it's the NHL.
Ebenezer
03-17-2007, 01:27 PM
Mathematically they clinched yesterday, the 16th. The scheduled game would go on as planned irregardless and it's a done deal. If this was the NFL, it would of been brought up 790 times, it's the NHL.
irregardless is not a word.
BlackMetalNinja
03-17-2007, 01:27 PM
I don't understand. It IS official. The only reason it is not official is because the NHL is using numbers showing that both teams can earn more points. However, they CAN'T earn those points. Buffalo is the ONLY team that has CLINCHED a playoff birth. If you accept the math, then you have to accept that the Sabres clinched last night.
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" - Homer Simpson
Mitchy moo
03-17-2007, 01:38 PM
I don't understand. It IS official. The only reason it is not official is because the NHL is using numbers showing that both teams can earn more points. However, they CAN'T earn those points. Buffalo is the ONLY team that has CLINCHED a playoff birth. If you accept the math, then you have to accept that the Sabres clinched last night.
They clinched last night, there is no other outcome. It is a final event that has occured already. The score of the game is meaningless and the outcome cannot change the fact we clinched. Playoff bound.
Mitchy moo
03-17-2007, 01:40 PM
irregardless is not a word.
Great, we clinched yesterday. Can i have the ZB's now please.
MikeInRoch
03-17-2007, 01:41 PM
I think you owe me half for proving it. :D
Mitchy moo
03-17-2007, 09:34 PM
I think you owe me half for proving it. :D
I've haven't got my ZB's yet, which is really sad.
chernobylwraiths
03-17-2007, 09:52 PM
I've haven't got my ZB's yet, which is really sad.
Then don't enter any more crooked contests.
TigerJ
03-17-2007, 10:15 PM
82 games in a season, by my recollection. Buffalo has 98 points as of last night.
Toronto has 78 points as of tonight on a shootout loss to Montreal with ten games remaining. By winning out, they can finish with 98 points, a tie with Buffalo's current 98. The first tiebreaker is fewest # of games played. i don't understand that unless there are circumstances sometimes when a team is prevented from playing all the games on its schedule. Second tiebreaker is greater # of games won. Buffalo has won 46 games. Toronto -34. In its ten remaining games, Toronto can't catch Buffalo.
Ah, but there's another team in the running. The Rangers shut out Boston tonight for 79 points with ten games remaining on its schedule. If they win out, that gives them 99 points which let's them squeek by Buffalo. Buffalo does have that second tiebreaker on them, so a shootout loss by either Buffalo or the Rangers would do the trick by my calculations.
MikeInRoch
03-17-2007, 10:25 PM
You are missing that Carolina cannot end ahead of Buffalo, either.
chernobylwraiths
03-17-2007, 10:31 PM
You are missing that Carolina cannot end ahead of Buffalo, either.
Argument is fruitless. I guess we will just have to believe the NHL. Personally, I think he just doesn't want to pay Skooby. :D
Mitchy moo
03-18-2007, 08:22 AM
Argument is fruitless. I guess we will just have to believe the NHL. Personally, I think he just doesn't want to pay Skooby. :D
There was never a contest if he wasn't going to pay the winner.
In the NFL, if a scenario sets up that a team that plays on a thursday, saturday wins and cannot mathematically be eliminated by another team for playoff contention, they made the playoffs as of that moment. The playing of the games , those outcomes & scheduling always determine playoff status.
I will not post about this subject again.
do they have an X next to their name yet? no.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/standings;_ylt=AhRURRse8ENyWlOUyvvHp8B7vLYF
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