OK JP............

[SABURZFAN]

marv signed a 1/2 ton of OL for you.i expect to see improvement and better consistency out of you in the upcoming season.now it's time for you to step up and become the QB that costed the Bills 3 draft picks.some of your minions think you're worth a contract extension.some of us Bills fans think you're not.i'm giving the Lick....uh...i mean....your fans the benefit of the doubt last season.this season should be a different story.NO EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!if you can't take us to the playoffs this year,i think it's time to turn the page and go elsewhere.

[YardRat]

Excuses eliminated to date...

Ralph is cheap and won't spend money to surround JP with talent.

Marv is clueless as a GM.

The offensive line sucks.

Let's see, that leaves the defense sucks, no legit #2 WR, Jauron and Fairchild are dumb-asses, no TE.

Did I leave any out??

[SABURZFAN]

Excuses eliminated to date...

Ralph is cheap and won't spend money to surround JP with talent.

Marv is clueless as a GM.

The offensive line sucks.

Let's see, that leaves the defense sucks, no legit #2 WR, Jauron and Fairchild are dumb-asses, no TE.

Did I leave any out??


i'm tired of the excuses....PERIOD!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[Mr. Miyagi]

Excuses eliminated to date...

Ralph is cheap and won't spend money to surround JP with talent.

Marv is clueless as a GM.

The offensive line sucks.

Let's see, that leaves the defense sucks, no legit #2 WR, Jauron and Fairchild are dumb-asses, no TE.

Did I leave any out??
I think #2 and #5 can be the same thing...

[Goobylal]

I'll expect JP to eliminate the inconsistency when I see the same thing from the REST of the offense.

[X-Era]

marv signed a 1/2 ton of OL for you.i expect to see improvement and better consistency out of you in the upcoming season.now it's time for you to step up and become the QB that costed the Bills 3 draft picks.some of your minions think you're worth a contract extension.some of us Bills fans think you're not.i'm giving the Lick....uh...i mean....your fans the benefit of the doubt last season.this season should be a different story.NO EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!if you can't take us to the playoffs this year,i think it's time to turn the page and go elsewhere.

Wait a sec, you havent already made up your mind that we should look elsewhere? :rolleyes:

I think the whole O will be much better with these moves.

Sorry though, I cant agree that we should lay all our fortunes on one player.

[The last buffalo fan]

Sab, please kiss here ================> :kissa:

[justasportsfan]

Did I leave any out?? still no rb. Global warming. We're still in Iraq. Gas prices are still up and the predictions of a real estate market crash.

[TedMock]

I'm pulling for the kid, but I'm in no way opposed to dropping him if he sucks either. I like him and I hope he succeeds. I think he will.

If you look at the games last year, he became better as the season went on. TD's, Completion %, Yards, and Rating were all significantly higher the second 8 games. Also, things that stats don't always catch were better overall. Running out of bounds, throwing the ball away, checking down, etc. all increased as time went on. He made smarter decisions as the year went on. There is still improvement to be made, but I was pleasantly surprised with how he not only turned his game around, but how he dealt with his teammates. Hopefully that trend continues. Keep your fingers crossed that he improves at the same pace as last year.

[SABURZFAN]

the great QB's take it upon themselves to make the rest of the team better.i don't see that out of JP or his fans. :down:

[SABURZFAN]

still no rb. Global warming. We're still in Iraq. Gas prices are still up and the predictions of a real estate market crash.



don't forget that the price of glue went up since Barbaro died.

[Dr. Lecter]

the great QB's take it upon themselves to make the rest of the team better.i don't see that out of JP or his fans. :down:

JP did that last year and his leadership was greatly improved.

Barring major injury this is his make or break year. The improvement must continue for JP.

[justasportsfan]

the great QB's take it upon themselves to make the rest of the team better.i don't see that out of JP or his fans. :down: are you telling me that LT, Gamble , their Ol had nothing to do with both Brees and Rivers success? Elway was nothing without Sharpe. Jp didn't even have half of Kelly's supporting cast in the 90's.

it's easy to blame one person when things go wrong but when things are right , you haters can easily say, "well he had help". Guess what? you're not gonna go anywhere without help. Jp is just getting it.

[SABURZFAN]

JP did that last year and his leadership was greatly improved.

Barring major injury this is his make or break year. The improvement must continue for JP.


that was last year.i posted that i gave the Lickers a mulligan.


i agree.a playoff berth could change a few minds around here.

[The last buffalo fan]

the great QB's take it upon themselves to make the rest of the team better.i don't see that out of JP or his fans. :down:

I agree, and just like you, I want no more excuses, we deserve a winning team and that's what ML is trying to make. So, if you are willing to give the guy (and the team) your confidence, just do it and let's talk about it in February 2008. :cheers:

[SABURZFAN]

are you telling me that LT, Gamble , their Ol had nothing to do with both Brees and Rivers success? Elway was nothing without Sharpe. Jp didn't even have half of Kelly's supporting cast in the 90's.

it's easy to blame one person when things go wrong but when things are right , you haters can easily say, "well he had help". Guess what? you're not gonna go anywhere without help. Jp is just getting it.


i never mentioned those players.


that's right.he's got the help now.NO EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!

[justasportsfan]

i never mentioned those players.


that's right.he's got the help now.NO EXCUSES!!!!!!!!! I agree and if he succeeeds will you say " Jp wasn't responsible for the improvement'? " or will you eat your crow about everything you said about him ?

[SABURZFAN]

I agree, and just like you, I want no more excuses, we deserve a winning team and that's what ML is trying to make. So, if you are willing to give the guy (and the team) your confidence, just do it and let's talk about it in February 2008. :cheers:


that's right but too many want too bring up LAST YEAR.even after i said that i gave them the benefit of the doubt.

[Yasgur's Farm]

I agree and if he succeeeds will you say " Jp wasn't responsible for the improvement'? " or will you eat your crow about everything you said about him ?Fair question.

[Yasgur's Farm]

that's right but too many want too bring up LAST YEAR.even after i said that i gave them the benefit of the doubt.But even though I think you sense the progression of Jp... You've yet to ackonwledge it.

[SABURZFAN]

I agree and if he succeeeds will you say " Jp wasn't responsible for the improvement'? " or will you eat your crow about everything you said about him ?


we'll cross that bridge when/if we get to it.RIGHT NOW,we have marv putting the pieces of the puzzle together and it looks as if he's assembled a good majority of the interior of it.expectations are high around here now.if were going to be a good team,we need a QB with broad shoulders.

[jmb1099]

Sab I agree for the most part with your first post, but then your posts just resorted to the same old stupidity from there. Jp as well as the entire offense should show drastic improvement. The oline shouldn't be the issue it was, in fact it better not be considering what we paid for it.
As of yet we don't have a decent number two receiver, but I expect we will, we also don't know what our running back situation will be although I suspect you could probably have 1000 yard season behind the beef we have now.
My suspicion is that Wilson told Levy to get it done and I believe given yesterday's performance that is exaclty what Marv is doing.
I expect Losman's numbers this year to be nothing short of amazing considering the line and expected talent coming, but winning games will take effort on all sides of the ball. If Losman sucks it up I will be man enough to say "see ya" if he plays amazingly well and we still lose will you be man enough to admit you were wrong?

[Yasgur's Farm]

Another fair question.

[Mr. Pink]

are you telling me that LT, Gamble , their Ol had nothing to do with both Brees and Rivers success? Elway was nothing without Sharpe. Jp didn't even have half of Kelly's supporting cast in the 90's.

it's easy to blame one person when things go wrong but when things are right , you haters can easily say, "well he had help". Guess what? you're not gonna go anywhere without help. Jp is just getting it.


Elway was nothing without Sharpe? Are you kidding? Elway took the Broncos to 3 Superbowls before Sharpe ever got there.

I'm not sure of your age but being a Browns fan growing up and watching the drive, the fumble and then the blowout in the 86-89 seasons, Elway certainly did not need Shannon Sharpe to have already proved he was a good QB.

You know who Elway had at TE in those years, Clarence Kay and Orson Mobley. The two combined for I believe about 35 catches in 86.

No one on his o-line was a household name either.

A good QB elevates the play of those around him.

[justasportsfan]

Elway was nothing without Sharpe? Are you kidding? Elway took the Broncos to 3 Superbowls before Sharpe ever got there.

.
I meant Terrel Davis.

[SABURZFAN]

But even though I think you sense the progression of Jp... You've yet to ackonwledge it.


why does it bother the Lickers?

[Mr. Pink]

I meant Terrel Davis.


Getting to 3 superbowls without him makes him nothing?

By that logic Jim Kelly is nothing, he didn't win a superbowl.

Very flawed logic.

[gr8slayer]

marv signed a 1/2 ton of OL for you.i expect to see improvement and better consistency out of you in the upcoming season.now it's time for you to step up and become the QB that costed the Bills 3 draft picks.some of your minions think you're worth a contract extension.some of us Bills fans think you're not.i'm giving the Lick....uh...i mean....your fans the benefit of the doubt last season.this season should be a different story.NO EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!if you can't take us to the playoffs this year,i think it's time to turn the page and go elsewhere.
Did you ever do your evaluation of J.P's season that you said you were going to do?

[SABURZFAN]

Sab I agree for the most part with your first post, but then your posts just resorted to the same old stupidity from there. Jp as well as the entire offense should show drastic improvement. The oline shouldn't be the issue it was, in fact it better not be considering what we paid for it.
As of yet we don't have a decent number two receiver, but I expect we will, we also don't know what our running back situation will be although I suspect you could probably have 1000 yard season behind the beef we have now.
My suspicion is that Wilson told Levy to get it done and I believe given yesterday's performance that is exaclty what Marv is doing.
I expect Losman's numbers this year to be nothing short of amazing considering the line and expected talent coming, but winning games will take effort on all sides of the ball. If Losman sucks it up I will be man enough to say "see ya" if he plays amazingly well and we still lose will you be man enough to admit you were wrong?


about what?calling things the way i saw them?how is that wrong?

[gr8slayer]

about what?calling things the way i saw them?how is that wrong?
It's not wrong at all. It's your opinion.

[justasportsfan]

Getting to 3 superbowls without him makes him nothing?

By that logic Jim Kelly is nothing, he didn't win a superbowl.

Very flawed logic.
point is, he couldn't get over the hump without Davis. He needed Davis help. Just like JP needs help to get better. Which leads me to my asking Saburz if Jp get's help and succeeds , will he simply give credit to the help that Jp got and still say JP sucks?

Yes, a good qb evelvates the players around him and so do the rb, Ol , wr. Would Kelly have been as good/successful without Hull , Thomas , Reed, etc?

Hope that's clearer now.

[justasportsfan]

calling things the way i saw them?how is that wrong?

you could be blind or have bad eyesight.

[SABURZFAN]

Did you ever do your evaluation of J.P's season that you said you were going to do?


no.according to some people,they didn't care.so why bother?

[Mr. Pink]

point is, he couldn't get over the hump without Davis. He needed Davis help. Just like JP needs help to get better. Which leads me to my asking Saburz if Jp get's help and succeeds , will he simply give credit to the help that Jp got and still say JP sucks?

Hope that's clearer now.


Hey I was quite down on Losman during the year, at the bye I was hoping that we'd see Nall come in and see what he had. Thankfully I'm the one at master control at OBD or else you wouldn't have seen JP on the field after the bye and wouldn't see him at the helm this year either.

He pleasantly surprised me with some heady play to close out the year and actually showed for the first time in his career week to week progression. Which is a definite plus in my book. Barring any setbacks I think we should be set at QB for years to come.

I will agree with Sab though, this is a put up or shut up year now for Losman. We bolstered our o-line to be on par with some of the better teams in the league. I won't say our line was garbage last year it was average, we are now better than average with the group we have. If we're still seeing the same amount of sacks, we know it wasn't the o-line.

There are now pieces in place to help out JP. It would be nice if we could bring in a TE that can catch the ball, Eric Johnson, for example. Or if we drafted a TE, seeing a TE that is an offensive weapon would be an immense help for this offense.

[gr8slayer]

no.according to some people,they didn't care.so why bother?
Well I don't care about other people. I'm pretty interested.

[Yasgur's Farm]

why does it bother the Lickers?Because I believe the "LICKERS" are in better touch with reality than the "HATERS".

[YardRat]

still no rb. Global warming. We're still in Iraq. Gas prices are still up and the predictions of a real estate market crash.

Oh yeah...A running back that can't pick up a blitz to save his life...I forgot that one. Thanks :D

We'll have to see if that gets 'rectified'.

[gr8slayer]

Oh yeah...A running back that can't pick up a blitz to save his life...I forgot that one. Thanks :D

We'll have to see if that gets 'rectified'.
Hey, to McGahee's credit he got alot better later in the year.

[SquishDaFish]

Sabs you have to admit JP improved in the 2nd half of the year. Theres 1-3 of you haters that dont see his improvment. Hes getting better every time out. And I am very happy he is our QB of our BUFFALO BILLS! The concentration on fixing the OL which should of been done LONG AGO is going to make this offense alot better.

I cant wait for the season already.

[YardRat]

Off topic...

Is it just me, or does the word 'rectified' sound like something Siegried is looking forward to when he sends Roy to the electrical department at the Vegas Home Depot?

[gr8slayer]

Sabs you have to admit JP improved in the 2nd half of the year. Theres 1-3 of you haters that dont see his improvment. Hes getting better every time out. And I am very happy he is our QB of our BUFFALO BILLS! The concentration on fixing the OL which should of been done LONG AGO is going to make this offense alot better.

I cant wait for the season already.
Hopefully he continues to improve.

[justasportsfan]

I will agree with Sab though, this is a put up or shut up year now for Losman. .
As do I. the dfference is, I didn't already decide he's a bust like Sab did. Now that he's gotten help, (barring injuries) there should be no excuses. Sab should've waited til' JP was given the weapons before calling him a bust.

[YardRat]

Sabs you have to admit JP improved in the 2nd half of the year. Theres 1-3 of you haters that dont see his improvment. Hes getting better every time out. And I am very happy he is our QB of our BUFFALO BILLS! The concentration on fixing the OL which should of been done LONG AGO is going to make this offense alot better.

I cant wait for the season already.

Losman DID improve over the last half of the year (and I hope he continues to, or rather expect him to), but any of his transgressions or errors were still blamed on others.

"Just imagine how good JP could be without a cheap ass owner, a GM that knew what the hell he was doing, an offensive line,...etc, etc"

Ralph ain't cheap. Marv knows football. The offensive line got #1 priority and was greatly improved. Those excuses are gone. There are some left, but they're getting fewer and fewer.

[gr8slayer]

Losman DID improve over the last half of the year (and I hope he continues to, or rather expect him to), but any of his transgressions or errors were still blamed on others.

"Just imagine how good JP could be without a cheap ass owner, a GM that knew what the hell he was doing, an offensive line,...etc, etc"

Ralph ain't cheap. Marv knows football. The offensive line got #1 priority and was greatly improved. Those excuses are gone. There are some left, but they're getting fewer and fewer.
Agreed. Our biggest weakness is now our strength. My question is, who is our RB next year?

[SABURZFAN]

As do I. the dfference is, I didn't already decide he's a bust like Sab did. Now that he's gotten help, (barring injuries) there should be no excuses. Sab should've waited til' JP was given the weapons before calling him a bust.


did i?

[SABURZFAN]

Sabs you have to admit JP improved in the 2nd half of the year. Theres 1-3 of you haters that dont see his improvment.



HELLO!!!!!!!!!


MCFLY!!!!!!!!!!



ANYBODY IN THERE???????????(KNOCKING ON YOUR HEAD)



i'm not worried about last year.NO EXCUSES THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[YardRat]

Agreed. Our biggest weakness is now our strength. My question is, who is our RB next year?

I'm not sure how much it matters...Hell, if this line is going to be as good as a lot of people expect it to be, Shaud Williams should be able to get 1200 yards.

And I bet he knows the playbook well enough to pick up the occasional blitz.

[gr8slayer]

I'm not sure how much it matters...Hell, if this line is going to be as good as a lot of people expect it to be, Shaud Williams should be able to get 1200 yards.

And I bet he knows the playbook well enough to pick up the occasional blitz.
Very true. I trust Marv either way.

[gr8slayer]

did i?
Call him a bust?

[Yasgur's Farm]

Call him a bust?Yes he did!

[SABURZFAN]

Call him a bust?


i hope it was nothing smaller than a pair of Double D's.

[SquishDaFish]

I care about last years progression that he showed when you haters talk crap about a young player who showed IMPROVMENT. All I care about is the youn g players getting better QB included. This coming season barring injury should be a fun year for us fans to watch JP kick some ass.

[gr8slayer]

Yes he did!
I don't recall him flat out calling him one, beating around the bush with it maybe.

[SABURZFAN]

Yes he did!


i don't remember.you might be mistaken.

[gr8slayer]

i hope it was nothing smaller than a pair of Double D's.
I'll drink to that.

[SABURZFAN]

I don't recall him flat out calling him one, beating around the bush with it maybe.



:couch:

[Yasgur's Farm]

I don't recall him flat out calling him one, beating around the bush with it maybe.I believe he did... But that could just be perception. In any event it's easilt proven.

I do , however, beleive taht SAB secretly wants to join we huggers and lickers.

[Dr. Lecter]

I guess Sab is bored today. :D

[justasportsfan]

did i?
pretty much. Or that he sucks, blah,blah,blah.

[SABURZFAN]

I believe he did... But that could just be perception. In any event it's easilt proven.

I do , however, beleive taht SAB secretly wants to join we huggers and lickers.



link.......



:ill:

[SABURZFAN]

I guess Sab is bored today. :D



just thought that business could pick up around here. :biggrin:

[SABURZFAN]

pretty much. Or that he sucks, blah,blah,blah.



yeah...i said he sucked.when he did,i let it be known.as for bust....i don't know.

[Yasgur's Farm]

yeah...i said he sucked.when he did,i let it be known.as for bust....i don't know.Sorry SAB... Too many vodkas to search.

[SABURZFAN]

Sorry SAB... Too many vodkas to search.


i'll drink to that. :cheers:

[Yasgur's Farm]

:cheers:
i'll drink to that. :cheers:

[jamze132]

marv signed a 1/2 ton of OL for you.i expect to see improvement and better consistency out of you in the upcoming season.now it's time for you to step up and become the QB that costed the Bills 3 draft picks.some of your minions think you're worth a contract extension.some of us Bills fans think you're not.i'm giving the Lick....uh...i mean....your fans the benefit of the doubt last season.this season should be a different story.NO EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!if you can't take us to the playoffs this year,i think it's time to turn the page and go elsewhere.
Call me a licker, homer, JP lover, or whatever compells you, but I agree that there aren't any excuses for JP not to put up some good numbers and a few wins. I think I will be disapointed if he doesn't throw for 3500+ and 20 TDs. If he can do that, we have a good enough QB and there shouldn't be anymore *****ing about JP.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Those stats keep him top 10.

[Night Train]

become the QB that costed the Bills 3 draft picks.some of your minions think you're worth a contract extension.

Maybe the minions can lend you their Hooked On Phonics CD.

[SABURZFAN]

Those stats keep him top 10.


who cares?i want to see the playoffs.i'm tired of the BS.

[gr8slayer]

who cares?i want to see the playoffs.i'm tired of the BS.
I trust that Marv will have us ready to make a huge push this year. Just think on the positive side. At least were not the Dolphins :D

[SABURZFAN]

I trust that Marv will have us ready to make a huge push this year. Just think on the positive side. At least were not the Dolphins :D


the only good thing about the Fish is that cheerleader that was in FHM. :hump: