My draft wishes just RADICALLY changed

[patmoran2006]

AFter carefully analyzing the Buffalo Bills, this team, their direction and their situation while in the comfort of my private office (the ****ter)
I have now changed my mind radically about what we should do with our draft.

let's not kid ourselves. THis is a wack ass defense that we have right now. It was below average to begin with, and pretty much figures to be worth with Fletcher gone and Thomas/Youboty taking over for Clements. The rest of it is the same.

No first round rookie is going to make this defense become good in one season.

However, the offense is a different story.

* If we have already improved in one spot, its the left side of the line. If Walker isnt the fat useless slob I think he may be, then the entire OL should look good.

* Jp Losman, at least in my opinion, was the most improved player in the ENTIRE NFL over the second half of last year.

* Lee Evans aint nothing to mess with. calling him a top 5 WR in the NFL is not a stretch by any means.

That being said. this unit is close to be very dangerous.

I now REALLY hope that we draft Marshawn Lynch with the 12th pick in the draft... Not only that, I hope we use our second round pick on the best WR left in the draft, or TE Greg Olsen should he slip a bit (and I think he may).. REgardless, point is we now have the QB and we have the OL.. We have ONE weapon with Evans.. lets get more weapons.

F it. If our defense is going to be wack anyway, we can outscore a ton of teams. Lynch and another LEGIT threat (Clowns like Reed and Price are not) and this offense could quickly become very Indy Colts'ish.

Im not joking either. Someone wake Marv up from his nap and pass him this note please.

IN all seriousness. the defense will be average no matter what we do on draft day, but we could quickly have one of the most dangerous offenses in football. thoughts?

[Devin]

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=122172

[Tatonka]

but then i got high.. but then i got high.. but then i got high.

[Philagape]

If you want to improve the offense, how about someone for the other guard spot? Grubbs or Blalock?

[Mr. Miyagi]

or TE Greg Olsen should he slip a bit (and I think he may).
I'm very leary of another blue chipper from Tha U.

[Carlton Bailey]

If you want to improve the offense, how about someone for the other guard spot? Grubbs or Blalock?

I think you're better off taking O-linemen later in the draft. It's how New England has done it, anyway.

[Ed]

I don't think a 2nd round WR/TE is going to be able to come in as a rookie and contribute that much. At least not more then Price, Reed, and Roscoe.

I don't have a problem going RB though, assuming we don't add anymore FA's.

I also don't think you can just assume are defense is going to be wack. We had too many rookies and lack of experience last year to not be able to improve in certain areas or as a unit. I'll say our D is somewhat of an unknown right now, but we'll just have to see. Losing Clements and Fletch hurt, but you really need to take into consideration that our coaching staff and scheme were both new, and we had to play a lot of young guys. That really was a significant factor in how our D played last year.

[DraftBoy]

I dont think Lynch at 12 is a good pick, Ive been looking at his numbers and in the big games he played in (Tennessee, Stanford, Oregon, USC, and UCLA) he never got over 100 yards. Now v. Tennessee he only had 12 carries bc they got down so much, but he seems to not be able to showcase his skills as much as he does v. lesser opponents. Im not overly impressed with any of the high end RB's. Id rather draft LB, DL, DB in the first two-three rounds.

[Mr. Pink]

There is some truth to this thread.

With more playmakers on offense, we might be able to score 27 points a game. And win a heck of a lot more football games. The defense as a whole is definitely downgraded or equal to what it was last year.

With more weapons, we won't see games of only scoring 10, 14, 17 points. We'll see games of scoring 24, 27, 28 points instead.

Which might actually push this team into contention for the division.

[patmoran2006]

I don't think a 2nd round WR/TE is going to be able to come in as a rookie and contribute that much. At least not more then Price, Reed, and Roscoe.

I don't have a problem going RB though, assuming we don't add anymore FA's.

I also don't think you can just assume are defense is going to be wack. We had too many rookies and lack of experience last year to not be able to improve in certain areas or as a unit. I'll say our D is somewhat of an unknown right now, but we'll just have to see. Losing Clements and Fletch hurt, but you really need to take into consideration that our coaching staff and scheme were both new, and we had to play a lot of young guys. That really was a significant factor in how our D played last year.
alright then pull the same deal like chicago last year, and get back into the first round and get Sydney Rice.. I'll take him and Lynch and see ya with in round three.

[Saratoga Slim]

Interesting proposition. Last season we went all defense, this season we go all offense.

I'm still not sold on Lynch, though I may be being uncharitable based on my limited impressions of his intellectual capacity. And his gold teeth. But I could see him being a Laurence Maroney clone. They seem like similar players. And I guess Chad johnson has been seen with gold teeth, so I suppose a shiny grill doesn't necessarily limit production.

And there are enough very good WRs that we could probably snag a one in the 2nd round. Meacham?

It's not out of the realm of possibility Pat. If I were running the draft, I'd still probably use #12 on Willis/Okoye, and 2nd rounder on a RB. But if Marv pulls a surprise and gets some major offensive talent in here, I can't say I'm going to moan about it.

[patmoran2006]

I dont think Lynch at 12 is a good pick, Ive been looking at his numbers and in the big games he played in (Tennessee, Stanford, Oregon, USC, and UCLA) he never got over 100 yards. Now v. Tennessee he only had 12 carries bc they got down so much, but he seems to not be able to showcase his skills as much as he does v. lesser opponents. Im not overly impressed with any of the high end RB's. Id rather draft LB, DL, DB in the first two-three rounds.
then find two offensive weapons who can immediately make the unit better.
trade down a few spots and take Bowe at WR.. use the 2nd rounder on Bush.

MY point is our defense is soft and more than 1 year away from being good.. the offense if addressed with two difference makers with the first two picks is another story

[DraftBoy]

Interesting proposition. Last season we went all defense, this season we go all offense.

I'm still not sold on Lynch, though I may be being uncharitable based on my limited impressions of his intellectual capacity. And his gold teeth. But I could see him being a Laurence Maroney clone. They seem like similar players. And I guess Chad johnson has been seen with gold teeth, so I suppose a shiny grill doesn't necessarily limit production.

And there are enough very good WRs that we could probably snag a one in the 2nd round. Meacham?

It's not out of the realm of possibility Pat. If I were running the draft, I'd still probably use #12 on Willis/Okoye, and 2nd rounder on a RB. But if Marv pulls a surprise and gets some major offensive talent in here, I can't say I'm going to moan about it.


I also question the pick of Lynch but its not his grill, its his failure to show up in big games, that has me wondering if he's worth it.

[patmoran2006]

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=122172
I love Bowe, this dude is going to be very good.. he really is like another eric moulds and i've been told by a few he's the best blocking WR to come out in since Heinze Ward

[DraftBoy]

then find two offensive weapons who can immediately make the unit better.
trade down a few spots and take Bowe at WR.. use the 2nd rounder on Bush.

MY point is our defense is soft and more than 1 year away from being good.. the offense if addressed with two difference makers with the first two picks is another story

I dont think our offense is as close as you do. I also think we dont need to spend high picks to have difference makers on offense this season. Look at last year two prime examples were Marques Colston at WR and Jerious Norwood at RB. Neither was 1st or 2nd round pick yet both had as much if not more impact on their offenses than any other rookie offensive player last season. This draft is top heavy in good defensive players and deep with offensive guys. Wait on the O, and lets finish the D up first.

[DraftBoy]

I love Bowe, this dude is going to be very good.. he really is like another eric moulds and i've been told by a few he's the best blocking WR to come out in since Heinze Ward

Id also love to have him

[Talk0fNewYork]

If you want to improve the offense, how about someone for the other guard spot? Grubbs or Blalock?Why when we got plenty of young guys with the same potential. Pat's on to something, we spent our last draft on all defense, this year we give Jp legit weapons and grab lb/dt in the middle rounds.

[mysticsoto]

Pat, one of the things you don't allow for in rookies and 1st year players (or any non-experienced veteran player) is for them to step up. For you, if a player hasn't shown anything the previous year, he sucks and we might as well replace him. With your style of thinking, we would have never gotten to see Pat Williams play, much less step up and become the force he became. We have alot of young players on the team that may just do that and step up. They are unknown quantities, but you have to give them the benefit of the doubt if they showed progress last year. Many players did, which is why we feel you are selling alot of these people short. If they've been on the team for years and done nothing (Anderson) then yes, it's time to cut them loose and have them replaced. On the other hand, for players that played well, they should be given a chance.

I'm also a little tired of your bashing a 3rd string rb. How sad does that get when you have to go bash a player that will even hardly see the field? Show me a 3rd string RB around the league that deserves a starting position or any accolades for what they've done? How many 3rd string RBs can you name on other teams? I'm betting very few and there's a reason for that. They don't play much, and they are there as a just in case a tragedy should happen and we lose the 1st two RBs on the field. I don't think it is necessary to continually bash him. If we get a rookie RB as 3rd string no doubt you'll bash them saying we need one with experience.

It seems like you are just angry inside and want to vent kind of like Op does. A sort of dysfunctional defense mechanism built in...We don't know how the draft is going to change things. Let's wait and see what happens and who we end up getting. Then, let's go check them out in TC later and see how they are progressing. This will help and determine what kind of product we may have this year. And for all you know, it might be better than you think.

[B-DON]

Interesting proposition. Last season we went all defense, this season we go all offense.

I'm still not sold on Lynch, though I may be being uncharitable based on my limited impressions of his intellectual capacity. And his gold teeth. But I could see him being a Laurence Maroney clone. They seem like similar players. And I guess Chad johnson has been seen with gold teeth, so I suppose a shiny grill doesn't necessarily limit production.

And there are enough very good WRs that we could probably snag a one in the 2nd round. Meacham?

It's not out of the realm of possibility Pat. If I were running the draft, I'd still probably use #12 on Willis/Okoye, and 2nd rounder on a RB. But if Marv pulls a surprise and gets some major offensive talent in here, I can't say I'm going to moan about it.

Maroney is twice as good as this chump. If Maroney was in this draft there is no doubt that he would be picked ahead of lynch. Everytime.

[camelcowboy]

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=122066

Welcome to the darkside Pat. I would love to see them draft offense. I think we are strides ahead on Offense then Defense. Give J.P the best weapons you can, Bowe, Olsen, Lynch, it would make things interesting to say the least.

[patmoran2006]

Ya, Im staring to agree..
Since we're doing absolutely nothing to get better defensively to this point.. Just roll with what you got, hope McCargo and williams are better up front and whitner and simpson are better at the safety.

and just build a totally explosive offense

[Devin]

I love Bowe, this dude is going to be very good.. he really is like another eric moulds and i've been told by a few he's the best blocking WR to come out in since Heinze Ward

Indeed I got to watch him a lot at LSU. Talk about a great compliment to Evans.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Pat Moran

http://www.43north.ca/windsock.jpg

[THATHURMANATOR]

AFter carefully analyzing the Buffalo Bills, this team, their direction and their situation while in the comfort of my private office (the ****ter)
I have now changed my mind radically about what we should do with our draft.

let's not kid ourselves. THis is a wack ass defense that we have right now. It was below average to begin with, and pretty much figures to be worth with Fletcher gone and Thomas/Youboty taking over for Clements. The rest of it is the same.

No first round rookie is going to make this defense become good in one season.

However, the offense is a different story.

* If we have already improved in one spot, its the left side of the line. If Walker isnt the fat useless slob I think he may be, then the entire OL should look good.

* Jp Losman, at least in my opinion, was the most improved player in the ENTIRE NFL over the second half of last year.

* Lee Evans aint nothing to mess with. calling him a top 5 WR in the NFL is not a stretch by any means.

That being said. this unit is close to be very dangerous.

I now REALLY hope that we draft Marshawn Lynch with the 12th pick in the draft... Not only that, I hope we use our second round pick on the best WR left in the draft, or TE Greg Olsen should he slip a bit (and I think he may).. REgardless, point is we now have the QB and we have the OL.. We have ONE weapon with Evans.. lets get more weapons.

F it. If our defense is going to be wack anyway, we can outscore a ton of teams. Lynch and another LEGIT threat (Clowns like Reed and Price are not) and this offense could quickly become very Indy Colts'ish.

Im not joking either. Someone wake Marv up from his nap and pass him this note please.

IN all seriousness. the defense will be average no matter what we do on draft day, but we could quickly have one of the most dangerous offenses in football. thoughts?
Pat Moran had an epiphany on the ****ter? How ironic!

[Earthquake Enyart]

Pat Moran had an epiphany on the ****ter? How ironic!
It was some of his best work.

[madness]

I also question the pick of Lynch but its not his grill, its his failure to show up in big games, that has me wondering if he's worth it.

Willis McGahee 3.8 per carry. Lynch didn't have a single game that low. Lynch can hurt you with just 7 carries or 27 carries. He's made for a RBBC. I don't buy the big games argument unless you have consistant data. If you go against a superior talent, the whole team suffers regardless.

vs. #23 Tenn.

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 12 76 2 74 0 22 6.2

vs. Minn.

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 27 152 13 139 2 15 5.1

vs. Portland State

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 6 113 1 112 1 71 18.7

vs. #22 Arizona State

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 17 127 3 124 0 40 7.3

Vs. Oregon St.

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 17 113 7 106 1 27 6.2


vs. #11 Oregon

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Justin Forsett (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/forsett_justin00.html) 27 167 4 163 1 48 6.0
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 7 50 0 50 0 24 7.1

vs. Washington State

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 25 165 13 152 2 42 6.1


vs. Washington

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 21 151 1 150 2 30 7.1

vs. UCLA

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 20 92 11 81 1 14 4.1


vs. Arizona

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 16 104 2 102 0 56 6.4


vs. #4 USC

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 20 91 3 88 0 17 4.4


vs. Standford

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Forsett, Justin (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/forsett_justin00.html) 11 75 0 75 0 19 6.8
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 15 73 6 67 0 13 4.5


vs. Texas A&M

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Forsett, Justin (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/forsett_justin00.html) 8 125 1 124 1 41 15.5
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 20 114 3 111 2 16 5.6

[DraftBoy]

Willis McGahee 3.8 per carry. Lynch didn't have a single game that low. Lynch can hurt you with just 7 carries or 27 carries. He's made for a RBBC. I don't buy the big games argument unless you have consistant data. If you go against a superior talent, the whole team suffers regardless.

vs. #23 Tenn.

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
-------------------------------------------------
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 12 76 2 74 0 22 6.2

vs. Minn.

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 27 152 13 139 2 15 5.1

vs. Portland State

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 6 113 1 112 1 71 18.7

vs. #22 Arizona State

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 17 127 3 124 0 40 7.3

Vs. Oregon St.

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 17 113 7 106 1 27 6.2


vs. #11 Oregon

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Justin Forsett (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/forsett_justin00.html) 27 167 4 163 1 48 6.0
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 7 50 0 50 0 24 7.1

vs. Washington State

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 25 165 13 152 2 42 6.1


vs. Washington

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 21 151 1 150 2 30 7.1

vs. UCLA

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 20 92 11 81 1 14 4.1


vs. Arizona

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 16 104 2 102 0 56 6.4


vs. #4 USC

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 20 91 3 88 0 17 4.4


vs. Standford

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Forsett, Justin (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/forsett_justin00.html) 11 75 0 75 0 19 6.8
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 15 73 6 67 0 13 4.5


vs. Texas A&M

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
--------------------------------------------
Forsett, Justin (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/forsett_justin00.html) 8 125 1 124 1 41 15.5
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 20 114 3 111 2 16 5.6


Im well aware of his numbers, but in the big games he doesnt produce, some are bc of lack of carries, but his stats are padded by his huge performances against crap teams.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I wouldn't be pissed if we did draft Lynch at all.

[madness]

but his stats are padded by his huge performances against crap teams.

Such is the case for most college athletes.

[Earthquake Enyart]

I wouldn't be pissed if we did draft Lynch at all.
I would be stark raving mad. He's a luxury that we can't afford. We have way too many other holes to fill.

[DraftBoy]

Such is the case for most college athletes.


Yes but also some college athletes preform in big games, Lynch did not last year, you still havent discounted the point.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Yes but also some college athletes preform in big games, Lynch did not last year, you still havent discounted the point.
Booker didn't either. I don't like either of them.

[DraftBoy]

Booker didn't either. I don't like either of them.


I agree

[madness]

Yes but also some college athletes preform in big games, Lynch did not last year, you still havent discounted the point.

It's hard to discount generalizations.

[Mudflap1]

Yes but also some college athletes preform in big games, Lynch did not last year, you still havent discounted the point.

Larry Johnson ran for 2,000 yards his last year at Penn State, but had bad games in all of their big games... he's turned out okay.

Jon

[ddaryl]

I agree. We need to address some of our D's lack of depth and provide our future starters. However Our offense looks like it can do some really good to great things this year, and getting a dual threat "Thurman Thomas" styled RB like Lynch would defintiely be a nice addition.

With Marv's Cash to Cap philosophy it should leave the Bills in semi good shape to address top FA D players next year while adding a bunch of D players in the 2007 draft after the 1st rd, if we do go for a 1st rd RB. The benefit is our O should be working on all cylinders in 2007, and will be ready to roll out of the gates in 2008

[DraftBoy]

Larry Johnson ran for 2,000 yards his last year at Penn State, but had bad games in all of their big games... he's turned out okay.

Jon


Are we really going to go through this again? Yes of course their are exceptions to my point, but the fact remains that he didnt do well in big games (and how is that a generalization?), will it definetly hinder him? No, but its a definite cause for concern. Lynch is just not a pick Id love or hate, its just an alright pick, but I think its a huge waste of the top heavy D we have avail to us. We started last year in the draft on the D, now lets finish the job. You dont start something and then just not finish it.

[DraftBoy]

I agree. We need to address some of our D's lack of depth and provide our future starters. However Our offense looks like it can do some really good to great things this year, and getting a dual threat "Thurman Thomas" styled RB like Lynch would defintiely be a nice addition.

With Marv's Cash to Cap philosophy it should leave the Bills in semi good shape to address top FA D players next year while adding a bunch of D players in the 2007 draft after the 1st rd, if we do go for a 1st rd RB. The benefit is our O should be working on all cylinders in 2007, and will be ready to roll out of the gates in 2008


I dont see 07 as being any better than 06 and I think and will not be upset with a step back from 06. Our D is not going to take any steps forward and leap backwards could be a likely conclusion to draw. Our offense has had one big improvement and other than that questionable moves. Walker at tackle scares me, Whittle shouldnt be a starter imo, and Atrain as our starting back makes me shudder. Do you seriously think we are going to be putting up 27 points a game with only JP and Evans as our only true weapons, and that we'll be clicking on all cylinders by seasons end?

[patmoran2006]

I would be stark raving mad. He's a luxury that we can't afford. We have way too many other holes to fill.
RB isnt a hole?
wow

[X-Era]

AFter carefully analyzing the Buffalo Bills, this team, their direction and their situation while in the comfort of my private office (the ****ter)
I have now changed my mind radically about what we should do with our draft.

let's not kid ourselves. THis is a wack ass defense that we have right now. It was below average to begin with, and pretty much figures to be worth with Fletcher gone and Thomas/Youboty taking over for Clements. The rest of it is the same.

No first round rookie is going to make this defense become good in one season.

However, the offense is a different story.

* If we have already improved in one spot, its the left side of the line. If Walker isnt the fat useless slob I think he may be, then the entire OL should look good.

* Jp Losman, at least in my opinion, was the most improved player in the ENTIRE NFL over the second half of last year.

* Lee Evans aint nothing to mess with. calling him a top 5 WR in the NFL is not a stretch by any means.

That being said. this unit is close to be very dangerous.

I now REALLY hope that we draft Marshawn Lynch with the 12th pick in the draft... Not only that, I hope we use our second round pick on the best WR left in the draft, or TE Greg Olsen should he slip a bit (and I think he may).. REgardless, point is we now have the QB and we have the OL.. We have ONE weapon with Evans.. lets get more weapons.

F it. If our defense is going to be wack anyway, we can outscore a ton of teams. Lynch and another LEGIT threat (Clowns like Reed and Price are not) and this offense could quickly become very Indy Colts'ish.

Im not joking either. Someone wake Marv up from his nap and pass him this note please.

IN all seriousness. the defense will be average no matter what we do on draft day, but we could quickly have one of the most dangerous offenses in football. thoughts?

Now we are talking.

We dont have enough talent on O. We dont have a good enough WR opposite Evans, we dont have a good enough RB, no it isnt A-Train or Chris Brown. We need playmakers. We can get them, in the draft.

The D is important, and we will address it with a at least one day one pick, but the o-line is set, the DL's could use 1, could be a mid rounder. The LB's are set but could use an upgrade at OLB (Ellison), or ILB (Crowell). Likely to draft one day one. DB's are short 1 CB, likely to use a day one pick.

We have 4 day one picks, 1 RB, 1 LB, 1 CB, and then either a DL or WR.

Now, Lynch vs. Okoye, Id take Lynch. Okoye could be the next Sapp but hes only gonna be rotational. If Lynch is the next LT, he makes us a potent O, scores points.

Its more what can mean more to your team. Top RB beats top DT in my book; that assumes talent level/rating is equal. If you can add a threat at WR, that also makes you better quicker. Top WR beats top DT in my book too.

However, top CB is probably equal with top WR, and close to a top RB.

[X-Era]

Willis McGahee 3.8 per carry. Lynch didn't have a single game that low. Lynch can hurt you with just 7 carries or 27 carries. He's made for a RBBC. I don't buy the big games argument unless you have consistant data. If you go against a superior talent, the whole team suffers regardless.

vs. #23 Tenn.

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 12 76 2 74 0 22 6.2

vs. Minn.

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 27 152 13 139 2 15 5.1

vs. Portland State

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 6 113 1 112 1 71 18.7

vs. #22 Arizona State

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 17 127 3 124 0 40 7.3

Vs. Oregon St.

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 17 113 7 106 1 27 6.2


vs. #11 Oregon

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Justin Forsett (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/forsett_justin00.html) 27 167 4 163 1 48 6.0
Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 7 50 0 50 0 24 7.1

vs. Washington State

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 25 165 13 152 2 42 6.1


vs. Washington

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 21 151 1 150 2 30 7.1

vs. UCLA

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 20 92 11 81 1 14 4.1


vs. Arizona

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Marshawn Lynch (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 16 104 2 102 0 56 6.4


vs. #4 USC

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 20 91 3 88 0 17 4.4


vs. Standford

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Forsett, Justin (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/forsett_justin00.html) 11 75 0 75 0 19 6.8
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 15 73 6 67 0 13 4.5


vs. Texas A&M

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Forsett, Justin (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/forsett_justin00.html) 8 125 1 124 1 41 15.5
Lynch, Marshawn (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/cal/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lynch_marshawn00.html) 20 114 3 111 2 16 5.6

I think hes a guy that you can count on in every game. He may not have the flash that Peterson has, but he will get the yards. Thats the type we need.

I feel like we just had a "flashy" type RB who couldnt manage to ever turn on the bulb. I want dependablilty, durablity, and a guy who can beat you N, S, E, W whatever needs to be done.

[Philagape]

Why when we got plenty of young guys with the same potential. Pat's on to something, we spent our last draft on all defense, this year we give Jp legit weapons and grab lb/dt in the middle rounds.

Our young guys who were drafted in the fifth to seventh rounds have the same potential as the top guard prospects this year? That's quite a statement.

All things being equal, it's the line that makes the offense go.

[DraftBoy]

I think hes a guy that you can count on in every game. He may not have the flash that Peterson has, but he will get the yards. Thats the type we need.

I feel like we just had a "flashy" type RB who couldnt manage to ever turn on the bulb. I want dependablilty, durablity, and a guy who can beat you N, S, E, W whatever needs to be done.


Am I the only one who saw that against top competition he couldnt manage 100 yards? How is that showing up every game? I mean seriously, am I the only one who sees this?

[bflojohn]

I really think that the draft should be looked at on-the-whole, and the Bills are lucky that the positions of strength in this years' draft match the needs of the club pretty well. The premise here is that WR, as an example, could yield a fine player in round 4 or so ( Johnnie Lee Higgins, as an example!), and that means that lesser valued positions this year ( RB's and LB's) can be targeted early on in the process. I'm starting to like the trade down possibilities, and frankly, I see the Bills filling most, if not ALL of the hopes on April 28th and 29th!! In one scenario, I can envision Denver wanting Okoye or Carriker and sending us picks 21, 56, and 86 for picks 12 and 92. In this trade, I see the Bills landing say ILB Patrick Willis (pick 21), CB Daymeion Hughes (pick 43), RB Michael Bush (pick 56), and WR Aundre Allison (pick 86). Doesn't a plan such as this one answer the questions as posed on this site?

[kernowboy]

Personally I think Lynch is over rated and significantly inferior to a number of guys in the 2008 class.

I have become more inclined to go with offence with the first two rounds especially if we cannot take Okoye.

If we can grab Okoye, then I would want BRIAN LEONARD in R2 and two LBs in R3. Again I wonder if Willis might be too light for the middle, but Zac deOssie is not at 250lbs+ ... my current ideal draft is

R1 .. .. Okoye NT
R2 .. .. Leonard (who we can move back to FB in 2008 if needs be)
R3a .... deOssie MLB
R3b .... Travarous Bain CB
R4 .... Paul Williams WR

[Mitchy moo]

Well, it would be a simple plan. Last year Defense, this year offense. I like it, let's roll.

[Earthquake Enyart]

RB isnt a hole?
wow
If we sign Chris Brown, RB is not our biggest problem.

Our biggest problems are at CB and LB.

[Jan Reimers]

I don't mean to be critical, Pat, because I know that you are very knowledgable and passionate about the Bills, but I'm SO thankful that Marv is not manic/depressive like you. And I also realize your post is kind of tongue-in-cheek.

But realistically, the Bills will take at least 2 defensive players on day one - LB, DT, and/or CB - because we NEED defensive help. And we'll take a RB and perhaps a WR.

It's called balance.