Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

[OpIv37]

When the national sports media criticized the Whitner pick last year by calling it a reach, all we heard on this board was about how the media's draft gurus don't have credibility and if they knew what they were talking about they'd be working in someone's FO, etc.

Yet, now, I keep seeing people posting about how Youboty had a "first round grade" and that means he'll be good for us.

Well guess what? The people who called Whitner a "reach" are the same ones who gave Youboty his "first round grade"

So, make up your damn minds people. Either the draft gurus know what they're talking about, or they're wrong, but they can't be knowledgeable when they say something that works in the Bills favor and incompetent when they knock the Bills.

[User Manuel]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

I tend to think of it this way. I really don't think there are many, if any, players who don't belong in the NFL. They are all supreme atheletes.

The difference is style the teams play and what is in their heads. For instance, Donte Whitner might be an average S in in an old style straightup 4-3 attack but an above average safety in a Cover Two.

First round talent, second round talent, they are all based on measureables like speed and leaping ability, wonderlich scores, etc..

For every reach there is a faller. Tony Mandarich = first round talent = fat guy who couldn't play. Maybe he goes to a different offense and dominates, who knows?

If you put Adrian Petersen on an offense that cant block or doesnt fit his style of Running and you get a bust. Would Joe Montana be in the HOF if the Raiders and their vertical philosophy had gotten him instead of the 49ers West Coast system?

Basically, there is no "wrong" pick the Bills can make if he fits their scheme and produces.

The draft really comes down to philosophy and belief in what the player brings in addition to his talents.

The Mel Kipers of the world simply collate the stas and decide who is "good" and who is "not good" enough to be a round 1 millionaire.

[patmoran2006]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

Every writer in America on here is knowledgable when they say something in the Bills favor and they're ******ed and don't know know **** when they speak against them.

That's been obvious forever.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

Every writer in America on here is knowledgable when they say something in the Bills favor and they're ******ed and don't know know **** when they speak against them.

That's been obvious forever.

I agree.

[ddaryl]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

Yeah but this has little to do with the medias opinion and has more to do with "In Marv We Trust".

Marv knows football players IMO.

[patmoran2006]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

Yeah but this has little to do with the medias opinion and has more to do with "In Marv We Trust".

Marv knows football players IMO.

I dont disagree.. OP's point was the same people who said Whitner is a reach, also said Youboty is a "first round grade" so it really doesnt matter.

[Jaybird]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

youboty and whitner played on the same side of the field at OSU. i think they might work great together!!!!!!! mike mayock called us taking whitner. Youboty made tons of plays in college and lets just hope he can do it in the nfl. also lets not forget that both corners didnt play so hot last year

[HHURRICANE]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

When the national sports media criticized the Whitner pick last year by calling it a reach, all we heard on this board was about how the media's draft gurus don't have credibility and if they knew what they were talking about they'd be working in someone's FO, etc.

Yet, now, I keep seeing people posting about how Youboty had a "first round grade" and that means he'll be good for us.

Well guess what? The people who called Whitner a "reach" are the same ones who gave Youboty his "first round grade"

So, make up your damn minds people. Either the draft gurus know what they're talking about, or they're wrong, but they can't be knowledgeable when they say something that works in the Bills favor and incompetent when they knock the Bills.

Dude, the reach was 8th instead of maybe 14th. It wasn't like he was a 2nd rounder or last 1st rounder. Huff than Whitner.

Yobouty's only criticism was that he sometimes gambled on the big play. Something that is totally coachable at the Pro level.

I'll bet money that we see more Int's out of this kid than we saw out of NATE.

[Tatonka]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

wow, OP.. are you bored or just looking for something to complain about?

[OpIv37]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

Dude, the reach was 8th instead of maybe 14th. It wasn't like he was a 2nd rounder or last 1st rounder. Huff than Whitner.

Yobouty's only criticism was that he sometimes gambled on the big play. Something that is totally coachable at the Pro level.

I'll bet money that we see more Int's out of this kid than we saw out of NATE.

I didn't say Whitner was a reach- I said it's hypocritical for people to get all bent out of shape when the gurus say Whitner's a reach but suddenly take the gurus' word for it when they say Youboty is first round material.

[OpIv37]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

wow, OP.. are you bored or just looking for something to complain about?

I'm just calling it as I see it. I'm sick of everyone's confidence in Youboty just because of his "first round grade" because it's meaningless. Don't get me wrong- keeping Clements would have been a HUGE waste of money. But so far, Youboty is completely unproven and the only info that people cite about him comes from the same draft people they slammed for calling Whitner a "reach".

[Tatonka]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

well sometimes the coaches just know what they are doing and why they picked a guy.. how bout that answer?

peters was undrafted and he has worked out ok..

instead of getting worked up about it, just wait and see what happens in the draft. that will give you your answer.. if we take a cb early, then you know the team doesnt think he is ready.. if we dont, then they are clearly ok with where he is at and thomas competing.

[OpIv37]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

well sometimes the coaches just know what they are doing and why they picked a guy.. how bout that answer?

peters was undrafted and he has worked out ok..

instead of getting worked up about it, just wait and see what happens in the draft. that will give you your answer.. if we take a cb early, then you know the team doesnt think he is ready.. if we dont, then they are clearly ok with where he is at and thomas competing.

I wouldn't say that it means they're clearly ok with it- I think it means they feel Youboty is a better option than anyone they could draft or fit under the salary cap. That's not the same as being OK with it.

Every time Youboty comes up in a thread (which is a lot since there isn't much to discuss this time of year), someone mentions the "first round grade" despite the fact that it's completely meaningless. I'm just sick of hearing it.

[X-Era]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

When the national sports media criticized the Whitner pick last year by calling it a reach, all we heard on this board was about how the media's draft gurus don't have credibility and if they knew what they were talking about they'd be working in someone's FO, etc.

Yet, now, I keep seeing people posting about how Youboty had a "first round grade" and that means he'll be good for us.

Well guess what? The people who called Whitner a "reach" are the same ones who gave Youboty his "first round grade"

So, make up your damn minds people. Either the draft gurus know what they're talking about, or they're wrong, but they can't be knowledgeable when they say something that works in the Bills favor and incompetent when they knock the Bills.

Hold up. Just because Whitner was worth a 1st round pick doesnt mean he was worth the 8 pick. We lucked out. If you take the opinions of many and form a rational conclusion, Whitner wasnt worth the 8 pick when drafted that high. Now, I think what many of us said was that the media is stupid for slamming any team that has done way more studying of the guy than the media.

The point isnt whether the media is worth anything or not...they arent. All they do is regurgitate popular opinion. The point is that Whitner turned out to be a great pick and in hind sight I think hes indeed worth the 8 overall pick.

As far as Youboty, he had a 1st round grade by some but not all or even most. Most thought he was a solid 2nd rounder that we got in the 3rd. Thats called a steal.

Is a CB with 2nd round talent good enough to be our new starter? Well, if we dont take one in the 1st round, were in the same boat either way, so why not just try out Youboty? He still has a clear advantage over any new rookie because of experience and time in our systems.

So, the media said Whitner was a reach, they were wrong. Then the nedia said Youboty was a 2nd round pick, they were wrong. All I see is that the media is wrong alot.

That said, we were happily right both times. Youboty could be a steal, Whitner was worth the pick. Now, Youboty should have a shot at our starting job.

[OpIv37]

Re: Youboty's "first round grade" vs. Whitner being a "reach"

All I see is that the media is wrong alot.

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my point exactly- the media is wrong a lot. So everyone who's saying Youboty has a "first round grade" needs to STFU because it's MEANINGLESS. They're not right THIS TIME just because they said something good about our guy.