Patrick Willis just ran on his pro day...

[The Spaz]

Patrick Willis just ran on his pro day and posted a 4.37 and 4.38. That is freaking amazing for a LB!

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts#olemiss

[Italian Stallion]

whoa....he might have just earned himself a spot in the top 8 or so of the draft...If we want him, we might have to trade up now

[The King]

He's a beast.

[The King]

He's a beast.

[patmoran2006]

I think the only threat for him to go before 12 is SF at 11.

This is turning into a weird draft with the 12th position. It's basically a four man race: Okoye, Willis, Peterson, Lynch.

The only one guarenteed to be there at 12 is Lynch.. The other three could all be gone, or ALL still be on the board..

[Romes]

lets draft him to play mlb and rb! kill to birds with one stone.


I'm kidding, but seriously with his build and speed he'd probably make an atleast decent RB.

[jdbillsfan]

That is impressive. Tough call between him and Marshawn. I think if you draft P. Willie, then trade a 3rd for Turner and draft Gonzo or Rice in the 2nd, that would be a good draft.

[PIZ]

I don't have a link, but other boards are saying NFL Network said Marshawn has a bad back. Still want him?

[Jersey1031]

Patrick Willis just ran on his pro day and posted a 4.37 and 4.38. That is freaking amazing for a LB!

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts#olemiss

That's a lot to shave down from a 4.51, too much... While I would love to draft Willis you have to believe there was some timing error; he must have really benefited from hand time by stopwatch as opposed to the "official time" they use at the combines.

[The King]

If he goes before 12 we may see some interesting players fall. I stand by my original comment... Get Willis at any cost!

[Italian Stallion]

I think the only threat for him to go before 12 is SF at 11.

This is turning into a weird draft with the 12th position. It's basically a four man race: Okoye, Willis, Peterson, Lynch.

The only one guarenteed to be there at 12 is Lynch.. The other three could all be gone, or ALL still be on the board..

I dunno man, with all this madness thats been going on, it's possible GB or some team in the the top 20 could fall in love with Lynch and trade with ATL or SF right in front of us and take him.....I wouldn't rule that out

[patmoran2006]

Would you give up a second for nate turner?

I would have to at least strongly consider it. He could be a STAR back in this league........ and then you took Willis in round one, you could have two great players with those first two picks..

I am certain marv believes Turner is a true starting quality RB. I think a hold up would become what theyd' be willing to pay him..We'd almost certainly have to DUMP Spikes and his salary (wack ass cash to cap BS) to make that happen.

[gil]

This is turning into a weird draft with the 12th position. It's basically a four man race: Okoye, Willis, Peterson, Lynch.

The only one guarenteed to be there at 12 is Lynch.. The other three could all be gone, or ALL still be on the board..

I know this thread is about Willis, but since you're making predictions again, thought I'd bring this up what you said about Peterson:


Bills would have to move up.. Not sure how much, but I cant see him lasting past the fifth pick.. at the latest.

IF not us, someone would move up with a team like Arizona or Washington to get him. NO way he goes from being a top three lock to the 12th pick.

I guess the point is, no one knows what locks are in this draft except for probably the consensus top 5.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I thought it was michael turner?

[BILLSROCK1212]

he is by far the guy that I want us to draft the most with our first round pick

[casdhf]

What was Crowell's 40 ... anyone know?

[The King]

Would you give up a second for nate turner?

I would have to at least strongly consider it. He could be a STAR back in this league........ and then you took Willis in round one, you could have two great players with those first two picks..

I am certain marv believes Turner is a true starting quality RB. I think a hold up would become what theyd' be willing to pay him..We'd almost certainly have to DUMP Spikes and his salary (wack ass cash to cap BS) to make that happen.

You mean Mike?

[casdhf]

Would you give up a second for nate turner?

I would have to at least strongly consider it. He could be a STAR back in this league........ and then you took Willis in round one, you could have two great players with those first two picks..

I am certain marv believes Turner is a true starting quality RB. I think a hold up would become what theyd' be willing to pay him..We'd almost certainly have to DUMP Spikes and his salary (wack ass cash to cap BS) to make that happen. No, Turner is basically in the same situation willis was. He's on a one year deal ... do we want to pay him the same money willis got from the Ravens? He hasn't started very many games ... sounds like a Rob Johnson risk to me.

[patmoran2006]

yes.. I dont know why I said Nate. who the F is nate turner.

[madness]

That's a lot to shave down from a 4.51, too much... While I would love to draft Willis you have to believe there was some timing error; he must have really benefited from hand time by stopwatch as opposed to the "official time" they use at the combines.

I agree, that doesn't sound right.

[superbills]

yes.. I dont know why I said Nate. who the F is nate turner

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/TurnNa00.htm

Nate Turner
Running Back

Born: 1969


+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1993 buf | 13 | 11 36 3.3 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1994 buf | 13 | 2 4 2.0 0 | 1 26 26.0 1 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 26 | 13 40 3.1 0 | 1 26 26.0 1 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Hmmm. Subliminally you knew who he was :up:

[Don't Panic]

Willis + Turner trumps any combination that has been proposed, IMO... even if it means our 1st and 2nd. If Willis rising means Peterson slides, so be it. Bottom line - its looking a lot better than it did for us even a week ago (of course, we still have another month to go!).

[Tatonka]

That's a lot to shave down from a 4.51, too much... While I would love to draft Willis you have to believe there was some timing error; he must have really benefited from hand time by stopwatch as opposed to the "official time" they use at the combines.

i am pretty sure they use electronic timing on most everything now.

[Tatonka]

Would you give up a second for nate turner?

I am certain marv believes Turner is a true starting quality RB.

its michael turner i think.

what makes you think that about marv, that your so sure.

[Ickybaluky]

i am pretty sure they use electronic timing on most everything now.

No, all the times at the combine and at Pro Days are hand-timed. They start the clock when the player's hand comes off the ground.

I do find it hard to believe Willis shaved that much time off his stellar 4.5 at the combine. Maybe if he was running downhill with the wind at his back, but other than that I find it difficult to believe.

That said, he is a terrific player and you could do a lot worse that drafting him.

[Tatonka]

the times at the combine are electronic. i am almost 100% positive. that is why that have that strip at the end that the player has to run through.

regardless, maybe he just ran bad at the combine. i mean all it takes is just a slight twitch at the start to be off a tenth of a second.

the guy is a stud for sure though. you can see that on the field.

[Saratoga Slim]

yes.. I dont know why I said Nate. who the F is nate turner.

Nate (or "Nat") Turner was a slave who led a revolt in the 1830s. He was caught, hanged and skinned, so apparently his 40 time wasn't as good as Patrick Willis'.

[TigerJ]

I think the only threat for him to go before 12 is SF at 11.

This is turning into a weird draft with the 12th position. It's basically a four man race: Okoye, Willis, Peterson, Lynch.

The only one guarenteed to be there at 12 is Lynch.. The other three could all be gone, or ALL still be on the board..

I agree. It should make for a fun draft day.

[Ickybaluky]

the times at the combine are electronic. i am almost 100% positive. that is why that have that strip at the end that the player has to run through.

Here is what Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40-yard_dash#Best_times) says about it:


Also, there actually is no such thing as one, single "official" 40 time at the combine. National Scouting, which runs the combine, provides three times per run, two hand-held and one electronic. Each player may run twice, thereby yielding a potential six times. National Scouting provides all six of these times to NFL teams. The teams then do what they want with those times, or ignore them. Some teams use the best electronic time. Some teams throw out the fastest and slowest and average the rest. Some teams use the best time provided. And some teams use a time provided by their own scout on site. So unless somebody has the actual report showing all six times, it may be impossible to know exactly what 40 time is being reported.

[patmoran2006]

Nate (or "Nat") Turner was a slave who led a revolt in the 1830s. He was caught, hanged and skinned, so apparently his 40 time wasn't as good as Patrick Willis'.
http://www.br-online.de/bayern3/musik/musikstorys/artikel/turner-tina/foto/tina_ike_200_150_dpa.jpg

**** Nate Turner then... I dont like that.

I'd rather sign IKE Turner,so he can go into the Endzone and smack a Jill up in the middle of a game; giving Philster a heart attack in the process.

[Saratoga Slim]

**** Nate Turner then... I dont like that.

I'd rather sign IKE Turner,so he can go into the Endzone and smack a Jill up in the middle of a game; giving Philster a heart attack in the process.

Or TED Turner, who could shell out enough cash on new FAs to make Dan Snyder cry uncle.

[Tatonka]

where has phil been??

[patmoran2006]

I dont know, I miss him.. He's Captian Homer.

He makes Dr Lecter look like a Bills basher by comparison.

[Jersey1031]

No, all the times at the combine and at Pro Days are hand-timed. They start the clock when the player's hand comes off the ground.

I do find it hard to believe Willis shaved that much time off his stellar 4.5 at the combine. Maybe if he was running downhill with the wind at his back, but other than that I find it difficult to believe.

That said, he is a terrific player and you could do a lot worse that drafting him.


Wind should be accounted for in Pro Days, especially with how important these times are. I know for a fact, wind is measured every short sprint race in track at the collegiate and high school levels because they can exaggerate or hinder a runner's speed... And as a runner, I find it completely hard to believe he ran in the 4.3's along with CJ. That's just flat out fast.

[venis2k1]

Dick Jauron told me he did it in borrowed shoes.

[SABURZFAN]

Patrick Willis just ran on his pro day and posted a 4.37 and 4.38. That is freaking amazing for a LB!

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts#olemiss



that may have vaulted him into the Top 10.somebody in the lower mid-late 1st round may want to move up for that.

[Slim]

He ran a 4.49 at the combine right?

[ShadowHawk7]

With that speed, he'd be a PERFECT fit at MLB for our Cover 2. Not to mention he is solid in all the other aspects of his game, he has solid character, and is a pure leader. I'd pass on Lynch and Okoye to get him but likely not Peterson.

[Ickybaluky]

Wind should be accounted for in Pro Days, especially with how important these times are. I know for a fact, wind is measured every short sprint race in track at the collegiate and high school levels because they can exaggerate or hinder a runner's speed... And as a runner, I find it completely hard to believe he ran in the 4.3's along with CJ. That's just flat out fast.

They do adjust for the wind. Usually, they run one 40 into the wind and one with it at the runner's back. They then average out the results.

[HHURRICANE]

The 49rs are going to get one hell of a LB at #11.

[Ickybaluky]

He ran a 4.49 at the combine right?

I read that his 40's at the Combine were 4.48 and 4.54.

[ParanoidAndroid]

His pro day times are simply favorable hand times. That alone will not change his potential draft position.

[Jersey1031]

They do adjust for the wind. Usually, they run one 40 into the wind and one with it at the runner's back. They then average out the results.


That makes no sense running both ways. That's concluding that wind speed is perfectly constant.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

According to C.Brown on BB.com, Willis dropped 7 lbs in preparation for his Pro Day. I think he was disappointed with his Combine time and decided to make a point of showing his speed this time around.

Regardless, the guy is FAST for a MLB. And, if he ends up with the Bills, that'll be GREAT.

However, with this, it means that, pretty much no matter what happens, the Bills are probably going to wind up with a pretty good player who can really help them if they use their pick at # 12. Who that will be, though, is something that we will have to wait to find out when the commish announces the name that they have written on the card, I suspect.

I'm not that sold on Peterson (because of his running style) or Lynch, but if Okoye and/or Willis are still on the board at # 12, I don't think the Bills can lose by taking either one of them. I'm just hoping that they are able to get one of them, that's all.

I'll hold to what I have been saying for awhile now: this is going to be a very fluid draft and a lot of different things could happen before the Bills make their pick in the first round. But, with the showings that Okoye made at the Senior Bowl and Combine and Willis made now at his pro day workout, I also think that it is going to be very interesting on Draft Day....

[Michael82]

Wow!!! That is INSANE! :shocked: Now he had no chance to fall to us. :sigh:

[ShadowHawk7]

If he doesn't fall to us, that means another previously higher ranked prospect will fall another spot. Peterson anyone? At this point, I think I'd still take Lynch over Okoye.

Okoye will help in the rotation w/ Williams at the NT spot, but Lynch is a franchise back, and is one of the few ones out there. Also, RB is arguably our biggest need.