McGahee is a bigger loss than Spikes.

[HHURRICANE]

McGahee at 25 still has some upside and could have grounded out 1100 yards behind our revamped line. I don't understand creating another hole unless your are bringing in someone better.

Spikes at 4.6 million, was overrated before he got hurt (look at his numbers in '04) and not ever being 100% again to me is a no brainer. In addition he was brought in under different circumstances and I don't see good chemistry with the new D and players.

We are now forced to draft at RB in the first round just to get us back to where we were last year. Yeah, I agree that McGahee was an underachiever but how many teams would have taken his '06 numbers? Spikes in '06 could have been replaced by Coy Wire.

[justasportsfan]

NO!

[Kenny]

McGahee at 25 still has some upside and could have grounded out 1100 yards behind our revamped line. I don't understand creating another hole unless your are bringing in someone better.

Spikes at 4.6 million, was overrated before he got hurt (look at his numbers in '04) and not ever being 100% again to me is a no brainer. In addition he was brought in under different circumstance and I don't see good chemistry with the new D and players.

We are now forced to draft at RB in the first round just to get us back to where we were last year. Yeah, I agree that McGahee was an underachiever but how many teams would have taken his '06 numbers? Spikes in '06 could have been replaced by Coy Wire.

Would of agreed with you before... But after reading those comments he had about hating to play for the Bills, -it truly is addition by subtraction.

IMO, he would of done worse than last year (even with the revamped OL, and with it being a contract year). The guy just did not want to play here.

[OpIv37]

Why all the love for McGahee. The guy had 990 yards last year. A-train can easily do that. IMO McGahee isn't a loss- it's a position in need of an upgrade that wasn't upgraded.

If Spikes is traded, it's a loss. Despite his lack of production last year, we need to replace both him and Fletcher and we don't have enough decent LB's on our current roster to do that.

[Romes]

Both losses are minimal. Spikes isn't what he used to be and McGahee is a ****faced cancer.

Only thing is that Spikes replacements are more of an unknown relative to McGahee's replacements.

[Carlton Bailey]

McGahee wasn't productive and he didn't want to be here. Get over it.

[justasportsfan]

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/RYDS/2006/regular

nuff said.

[HHURRICANE]

Why all the love for McGahee. The guy had 990 yards last year. A-train can easily do that. IMO McGahee isn't a loss- it's a position in need of an upgrade that wasn't upgraded.

If Spikes is traded, it's a loss. Despite his lack of production last year, we need to replace both him and Fletcher and we don't have enough decent LB's on our current roster to do that.

I hate McGahee but with all of the holes that still need to be addressed why create another one. He would have easily run for 1100-1200 yards in a contract year. A-train is not going to last a whole season as a starter guaranteed. By having to take a RB in the 1st or 2nd round we now have to pass on a D player. We could have addressed RB next off season.

McGahee was on the field, Spikes was not. Look at Spike's numbers. Even when he was playing he flat out sucked. 15% of his tackles came in the very last game.

[HHURRICANE]

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/RYDS/2006/regular

nuff said.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=player colSpan=2># 51 Takeo Spikes</TD><TD align=right width=134 rowSpan=2>http://images.nfl.com/images/helmets/134x121/BUF.gif (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/BUF)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD width=70>http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/12722.jpg</TD><TD class=playerbio>Position: OLB
Height: 6-2
Weight: 242
Born: 12/17/1976
College: Auburn
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<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg0 align=left><TD class=bg0 colSpan=13>Defensive Stats</TD></TR><TR class=bg1 align=middle><TD>Year</TD><TD>Team</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>Total</TD><TD>Tkl</TD><TD>Ast</TD><TD>Sacks</TD><TD>Int</TD><TD>Yds</TD><TD>Avg</TD><TD>Lg</TD><TD>TD</TD><TD>Pass Def</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>1998</TD><TD align=left>Cincinnati Bengals</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>114</TD><TD>97.0</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0.0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>1999</TD><TD align=left>Cincinnati Bengals</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>106</TD><TD>83.0</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>3.5</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2000</TD><TD align=left>Cincinnati Bengals</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>128</TD><TD>109.0</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>6.0</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2001</TD><TD align=left>Cincinnati Bengals</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>109</TD><TD>80.0</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>66</TD><TD>66.0</TD><TD>66</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>4</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2002</TD><TD align=left>Cincinnati Bengals</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>112</TD><TD>80.0</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>1.5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0.0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2003</TD><TD align=left>Buffalo Bills</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>126</TD><TD>70.0</TD><TD>56</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0.5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2004</TD><TD align=left>Buffalo Bills</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>96</TD><TD>61.0</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>122</TD><TD>24.4</TD><TD>62</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>11</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2005</TD><TD align=left>Buffalo Bills</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>11.0</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0.0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>2006</TD><TD align=left>Buffalo Bills</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>43.0</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0.0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Talk0fNewYork]

I hate McGahee but with all of the holes that still need to be addressed why create another one. He would have easily run for 1100-1200 yards in a contract year. A-train is not going to last a whole season as a starter guaranteed.
What makes you think A-Train won't make it a whole season? And as for the Mcgahee trade, we got 3 players for an underachiever, thats what rebuilding teams do!

[justasportsfan]

I hate McGahee but with all of the holes that still need to be addressed why create another one. He would have easily run for 1100-1200 yards in a contract year. A-train is not going to last a whole season as a starter guaranteed. By having to take a RB in the 1st or 2nd round we now have to pass on a D player. We could have addressed RB next off season.

McGahee was on the field, Spikes was not. Look at Spike's numbers. Even when he was playing he flat out sucked. 15% of his tackles came in the very last game.
what makes you guarantee that the A-Train can't last 1 year? Willis is the one whose usually banged up for one reason or another.

Spikes, I agree. I'd take a risk on him. But if both players are gone next year, what do we do. Find a replacement then and waste another year of them adjusting to the team?

People here want to complain about the last 7 years of mediocrity and still want to be more patient about it. Why keep postponing the future? If they won't be here next year then find their replacements now. Find the players that will be here for the next 5 years and let them grow together now.

[Talk0fNewYork]

Keeping declining veterans in hope of a playoff run is something that Donahoe did, and did that work out? Trade Him, get 1-2 picks, save the 4.6 million, and find younger players who believe in the system, and let them grow with our other players.

[HHURRICANE]

Keeping declining veterans in hope of a playoff run is something that Donahoe did, and did that work out? Trade Him, get 1-2 picks, save the 4.6 million, and find younger players who believe in the system, and let them grow with our other players.

I have no problem catapulting Spikes. At 30, in decline, we can do better, especially considering he was almost a ghost last year anyway.

McGahee was a hole that we didn't need to create. I hate the SOB but he would have showed up and played for one more year. If he was awesome than we could have franchised him. We were in the driver's seat. Getting two 3rds isn't a gurantee that we will get better. I'm not counting the 7th because we might find a better walk-on than a 7th rounder.

[Talk0fNewYork]

McGahee at 25 still has some upside and could have grounded out 1100 yards behind our revamped line.
What's the point of keeping a guy who's not gonna go out and put it all on the line for his teammates? This guy will not put his head down and drive for extra yards (vs NE last year 4th+1) Mcgahee can go **** himself!

[Philagape]

LB is the bigger hole.

I'm more comfortable with A-Train at RB than I am with Mario Haggan at SLB.

[HHURRICANE]

What's the point of keeping a guy who's not gonna go out and put it all on the line for his teammates? This guy will not put his head down and drive for extra yards (vs NE last year 4th+1) Mcgahee can go **** himself!

Because in a contract year he would have. Nate sucked ass for 23 games but played like a Pro Bowler in the last 9. We would have gotten the same peformance. Than we could have decided to franchise him and trade him or just cut him.

[justasportsfan]

LB is the bigger hole.

I'm more comfortable with A-Train at RB than I am with Mario Haggan at WLB.


Willis 3.8 ypc - A-train 3.7 ypc +better pass blocker. Catching? rememebr JP's comeback against the texans (?) A-Train didn't choke in crunch time when JP went to his checkdown.

[HHURRICANE]

LB is the bigger hole.

I'm more comfortable with A-Train at RB than I am with Mario Haggan at WLB.

You just made my point. The LB holes were always there. Spikes was not playing well and we knew that we weren't going to resign Fletcher. Why create another hole by trading Willis? Makes no sense when we held all the cards. If he ran like an animal this year we could have franchised him and than traded him most likely for more than we got this year.

Why is nobody hangiung Marv for the Nate "no franchise-tag" move? That would have gotten us the equiv of two 3rd rounders and a 7th!

[Philagape]

You just made my point. The LB holes were always there. Spikes was not playing well and we knew that we weren't going to resign Fletcher. Why create another hole by trading Willis? Makes no sense when we held all the cards. If he ran like an animal this year we could have franchised him and than traded him most likely for more than we got this year.

Why is nobody hangiung Marv for the Nate "no franchise-tag" move? That would have gotten us the equiv of two 3rd rounders and a 7th!


IMO the gap between Spikes and Haggan is greater than McGahee and Thomas. I think Spikes could have played like an animal this year just as much as McGahee could have.

[njsue]

Mcghaee not that great of a RB. The bills can and will get a better RB.

The presence of Takeo Spikes gives leadership to the bills D. Takeo Spikes is an exceptional Defensive player. Hope they keep him.