Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

[patmoran2006]

Considering that I didn't expect the Bills to get any value at all for Spikes, I can't sit here and say necessarily it was a bad trade. To be able to dump Holcomb's salary (useless with Nall as the backup) is the most underated aspect of the trade.

AT least in part, Im a fan of Walker. I first posted a thread about him on here March 22nd. Did you think I would post something without taking credit for the discovery!

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=122880&highlight=darwin+walker

The Good News: Walker can get after the quarterback. From a pressure standpoint he's perfect for a cover two. As I've already said prior to the trade, he had more sacks than all Bills DT's combined. He'll rotate with Tripplett and if nothing else we won't lose any production in our rotation from the 3-Technique spot.

The Bad News: He's undersized and weak against the run, which is basically the same problem as all of our DT's. Having DT's who can pass rush is great, but what good does that do if a team is running the ball down your throat all game?

The TRUE KEY to this front four suddenly becomes John McCargo. He has to be able to play the 1-Gap NT spot real well. IF he does, our DT spot gets a lot better. IF he doesnt' we're in HUGE trouble as trading for Walker means no run-first DT will be taken in the draft.

The other good news about the trade is we have a new rotation player PLUS have some extra money to hopefully sign 1-2 more players before the draft.

If I had my way, I wouldn't have made the trade. I think Spikes is going to be back and really good for Philly... From a personal standpoint, I hope he plays great, I've always liked him a lot.

But being totally unbiased, I can't really complain about the trade because compared to what I expected (salary dump) I think the Bills got real good value with the deal.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

This is too funny. Pat yourself on the back for saying we should get Walker, then dis the trade when it happens.

This post is a douche.

[gil]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

but I thought it was 100% completely totally about a salary dump?

[jamesiscool]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

not worth my time. all i can see is you looking for somethonge else to complain about.

last week u said we shoud "cut our losses" with McCargo.

make up yur damn mind.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

This is too funny. Pat yourself on the back for saying we should get Walker, then dis the trade when it happens.

This post is a douche.

he's trying to save face for all the *****ing he did. I's the same old thing when he *****ed about the OL.

[acehole]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

We are also forgetting the money we save may come in handy for the June cuts....

Considering that I didn't expect the Bills to get any value at all for Spikes, I can't sit here and say necessarily it was a bad trade. To be able to dump Holcomb's salary (useless with Nall as the backup) is the most underated aspect of the trade.

AT least in part, Im a fan of Walker. I first posted a thread about him on here March 22nd. Did you think I would post something without taking credit for the discovery!

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=122880&highlight=darwin+walker

The Good News: Walker can get after the quarterback. From a pressure standpoint he's perfect for a cover two. As I've already said prior to the trade, he had more sacks than all Bills DT's combined. He'll rotate with Tripplett and if nothing else we won't lose any production in our rotation from the 3-Technique spot.

The Bad News: He's undersized and weak against the run, which is basically the same problem as all of our DT's. Having DT's who can pass rush is great, but what good does that do if a team is running the ball down your throat all game?

The TRUE KEY to this front four suddenly becomes John McCargo. He has to be able to play the 1-Gap NT spot real well. IF he does, our DT spot gets a lot better. IF he doesnt' we're in HUGE trouble as trading for Walker means no run-first DT will be taken in the draft.

The other good news about the trade is we have a new rotation player PLUS have some extra money to hopefully sign 1-2 more players before the draft.

If I had my way, I wouldn't have made the trade. I think Spikes is going to be back and really good for Philly... From a personal standpoint, I hope he plays great, I've always liked him a lot.

But being totally unbiased, I can't really complain about the trade because compared to what I expected (salary dump) I think the Bills got real good value with the deal.

[Philagape]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

-- McCargo was the key to the DL long before the trade

-- I bet anything Holcomb is the reason this trade happened. Without him, it wasn't enough of a salary purge.

[patmoran2006]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

You can all bite me, especially you EE.

* I never said I take credit for Walker, it was SARCASM and anyone who thinks different is ridiculous. HOwever, did I or did I NOT make a thread about Walker on here first, a week before the trade was made. Talk all the **** you want, there's the thread.. Not opinion its FACT. Look it up for yourself.

* I didnt say cut your losses with McCargo (Jamesiscool) as in cut him. I said at the time cut your losses, but taking Okoye if he's on the board.
* You obviously read ONLY what you want to read, as usual. I admitted I DIDNT EXPECT much from a Spikes trade, I DID expect a salary dump (Gilbert), so in that regard's I'm pleasantly surprised with this trade, and I said just that.

I'm starting to think that as a few of you think I "get off" by *****ing in here, the same people get off just as much by your *****ing when you don't even READ what I wrote.

I called this a good trade considering. I called Dockery a good signing. I blasted Kelsay signing and some other stuff, and that's the way it will continue to be with me. If I like a move I will express, if I dont, I will do the same.

[patmoran2006]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

he's trying to save face for all the *****ing he did. I's the same old thing when he *****ed about the OL.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

You can all bite me, especially you EE.

* I never said I take credit for Walker, it was SARCASM and anyone who thinks different is ridiculous. HOwever, did I or did I NOT make a thread about Walker on here first, a week before the trade was made. Talk all the **** you want, there's the thread.. Not opinion its FACT. Look it up for yourself.

* I didnt say cut your losses with McCargo (Jamesiscool) as in cut him. I said at the time cut your losses, but taking Okoye if he's on the board.
* You obviously read ONLY what you want to read, as usual. I admitted I DIDNT EXPECT much from a Spikes trade, I DID expect a salary dump (Gilbert), so in that regard's I'm pleasantly surprised with this trade, and I said just that.

I'm starting to think that as a few of you think I "get off" by *****ing in here, the same people get off just as much by your *****ing when you don't even READ what I wrote.

I called this a good trade considering. I called Dockery a good signing. I blasted Kelsay signing and some other stuff, and that's the way it will continue to be with me. If I like a move I will express, if I dont, I will do the same.

You're just another one of these guys who set themselves up so that Marv can do nothing right. You make up unrealistic scenarios then bash Marv when they don't happen.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

Juvenile response from someone who got caught sticking his head up his ass.

Give me a break, you're credibility around here is a joke. You deserve every criticism for acting like Mr. Iknowitall AKA ICEwannabe.

[patmoran2006]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

How did I get caught with my head up my ass?
Because I praised a trade Levy made? I thought Spikes would be a salary dump and to my surprise, we got value for him and I F'n EXPRESSED that in this thread. The only thing I said about Walker is I started a thread about him a week before the trade.. Is that NOT a fact? Is that a false statement?
And because I or someone else on here makes commments about moves Marv makes that we dont like, I"m not allowed to praise a move that I do like?
Get a clue.. And like Im concerned about what a goof with a Mr Bean avatar thinks of my "credibility". ha

[Dr. Lecter]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

Ok, Ok. We get the point everyone.

Let's battle a little less.

[HAMMER]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

Nobody cares nearly as much as you think Pat, get over yourself.

[Saratoga Slim]

Re: Spikes/Walker Trade; My take?

Considering that I didn't expect the Bills to get any value at all for Spikes, I can't sit here and say necessarily it was a bad trade. To be able to dump Holcomb's salary (useless with Nall as the backup) is the most underated aspect of the trade.

AT least in part, Im a fan of Walker. I first posted a thread about him on here March 22nd. Did you think I would post something without taking credit for the discovery!

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=122880&highlight=darwin+walker

The Good News: Walker can get after the quarterback. From a pressure standpoint he's perfect for a cover two. As I've already said prior to the trade, he had more sacks than all Bills DT's combined. He'll rotate with Tripplett and if nothing else we won't lose any production in our rotation from the 3-Technique spot.

The Bad News: He's undersized and weak against the run, which is basically the same problem as all of our DT's. Having DT's who can pass rush is great, but what good does that do if a team is running the ball down your throat all game?

The TRUE KEY to this front four suddenly becomes John McCargo. He has to be able to play the 1-Gap NT spot real well. IF he does, our DT spot gets a lot better. IF he doesnt' we're in HUGE trouble as trading for Walker means no run-first DT will be taken in the draft.

The other good news about the trade is we have a new rotation player PLUS have some extra money to hopefully sign 1-2 more players before the draft.

If I had my way, I wouldn't have made the trade. I think Spikes is going to be back and really good for Philly... From a personal standpoint, I hope he plays great, I've always liked him a lot.

But being totally unbiased, I can't really complain about the trade because compared to what I expected (salary dump) I think the Bills got real good value with the deal.

Good post. I've said in other threads that I'm 50/50 on whether we should have traded Spikes, but if we were going to do it, this was a pretty good move.

I don't know what to think about our DT rotation at this point. Like you say, Walker is more or less Triplett, albeit perhaps a better Triplett. Which means McCargo's got to be playing the 1-Gap unless a) we're going to go three deep on the other side with Triplett/McCargo/Walker or b) we're giving up on either McCargo or Triplett, and still plan on drafting a 1-Gap DT to play with KW. I find option b hard to believe, and so you're likely right: McCargo better be in the gym right now, prefarably eating while he works out.