**Official 'Thank You Kelly Holcomb' Thread**

[The Answer]

Thank you Kelly Holcomb for everything you accomplished in your brief tenure as a Buffalo Bill.

Thank you for taking JP Losman under your wing and tutelage and transforming him into one of the leagues most improved young QB's.

Thank you for signing with Buffalo and enduring a losing culture when you could have signed with a better team.

Thank you for giving this team a chance in 2005 when JP clearly wasn't ready to play in this league.

Thank you for the big win against the Bengals and giving underpriviledged fans in western New York a glimmer of hope and early Christmas present.

The Answer thanks you for everything - you are a gamer and The Answer hopes you win a world title in Philly and get to showcase your talent when McNabb goes down again in 2007.

Good luck Kelly!!!!!:bf1::urock:

~The Answer

[TacklingDummy]

You forgot to say if Holcomb started last year the Bills would have made the playoffs.

[Dr. Lecter]

Ummm.......


Ok.

[Dr. Lecter]

You forgot to say if Holcomb started last year the Bills would have made the playoffs.

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

Started at right guard?

[The Answer]

You forgot to say if Holcomb started last year the Bills would have made the playoffs.

Most likely - but The Answer is glad that JP finally emerged. Wouldn't have happened without Holcomb and everything he tought JP.

~The Answer

[RockStar36]

Thank you for the big win against the Bengals and giving underpriviledged fans in western New York a glimmer of hope and early Christmas present.
~The Answer

That KR touchdown was huge and the INT touchdown to seal the deal was equally as huge.

Thanks Kelly!!

[gr8slayer]

:spam:

[The Answer]

That KR touchdown was huge and the INT touchdown to seal the deal was equally as huge.

Thanks Kelly!!

Don't forget about the bomb to Lee Evans on the first play of the game that set the tone - even though according to some people here Holcomb can't throw the deep ball.

~The Answer

[justasportsfan]

thanks for being a good clipboard holder.

[Dr. Lecter]

Don't forget about the bomb to Lee Evans on the first play of the game that set the tone - even though according to some people here Holcomb can't throw the deep ball.

~The Answer

And don't forget his performance against Denver. :ill:

BTW, he loses arm strength after 3-4 starts and showed none in the preseason last year.

[Night Train]

Thank you Kelly Holcomb for everything you accomplished in your brief tenure as a Buffalo Bill.

Thank you for taking JP Losman under your wing and tutelage and transforming him into one of the leagues most improved young QB's.

Thank you for signing with Buffalo and enduring a losing culture when you could have signed with a better team.

Thank you for giving this team a chance in 2005 when JP clearly wasn't ready to play in this league.

Thank you for the big win against the Bengals and giving underpriviledged fans in western New York a glimmer of hope and early Christmas present.

The Answer thanks you for everything - you are a gamer and The Answer hopes you win a world title in Philly and get to showcase your talent when McNabb goes down again in 2007.

Good luck Kelly!!!!!:bf1::urock:

~The Answer

Were you once someone called Hogboy or Miami Don Johnson, by chance ?

[The Answer]

And don't forget his performance against Denver. :ill:

BTW, he loses arm strength after 3-4 starts and showed none in the preseason last year.

What about New England? - The wily vet should have led us to our first win in Foxboro in quite some time if it wasn't for the defense blowing it yet again.

Also your wrong with your assessment regarding last year's preseason - Holcomb looked rocked solid and Jauron was tempted to go with the veteran. That's why we need to credit Holcomb and his competitive nature for lighting a fire under JP.

~The Answer

[justasportsfan]

Cmon guys. The answer is what FTP is to the finfans. Every fanbase has one.

[Philagape]

About that bomb to Evans ...

When Holcomb released the ball, I decided to order a pizza. They told me it would be 25 minutes, but it turned into 40. When the delivery guy got to the door, I gave him a 20, but he didn't have the right change. So he had to drive back to the pizza place and return with the correct change. Of course, they had to bake me a new pizza as well. So by the time I got the pizza and he had the right change, it was well over an hour. I took the pizza back upstairs, opened it, sliced a couple of pieces and sat down to resume watching the game.

And then Evans caught the ball.

That Bengals game fulfilled Holcomb's career annual quota of one good game per season.

[patmoran2006]

Thank you for the big win against the Bengals and giving underpriviledged fans in western New York a glimmer of hope and early Christmas present.

Good luck Kelly!!!!!:bf1::urock:

~The Answer
That was no Christmas present. That meaningless win (and it was due to McGee more than Holcomb) costed the Bills either D'Brickshaw Ferguson or Vernon Davis.. Take your pick.

How sick would JP be with Lee Evans AND Vernon Davis as weapons.. ughh

[Philagape]

There's a tight end named Steve Heiden.
On Dec. 3, 2006, he caught two touchdown passes. Those were the only two he caught all year (he played every game).
On Sept. 18, 2005, he had 104 yards receiving and two touchdowns. That game accounted for over a quarter of his yards all season and 2/3 of his touchdowns (he played 15 games).
On Nov. 28, 2004, he caught three touchdown passes with 82 yards. His totals that year were 287 yards and five TDs in 13 games.

Do you notice a trend here?

Kelly Holcomb is the Steve Heiden of quarterbacks.

[Gunzlingr]

What about New England? - The wily vet should have led us to our first win in Foxboro in quite some time if it wasn't for the defense blowing it yet again.

Also your wrong with your assessment regarding last year's preseason - Holcomb looked rocked solid and Jauron was tempted to go with the veteran. That's why we need to credit Holcomb and his competitive nature for lighting a fire under JP.

~The Answer

you mean the one where he threw the dink pass well short of the marker and lost the game?

[TacklingDummy]

That was no Christmas present. That meaningless win (and it was due to McGee more than Holcomb) costed the Bills either D'Brickshaw Ferguson or Vernon Davis.. Take your pick.


The meaningless win's against Miami and the Jets last year costed the Bills the 7th pick this year.

[patmoran2006]

The meaningless win's against Miami and the Jets last year costed the Bills the 7th pick this year.
They were meaningful in that Buffalo was within striking distance of a wild card all the way until the end of Week 16.

[TacklingDummy]

They were meaningful in that Buffalo was within striking distance of a wild card all the way until the end of Week 16.

Don't be a homer. The Bills didn't make the playoffs so those 2 wins are now meaningless.

[patmoran2006]

Homer?
LOL this organization is run so bad I'm surprised Holcomb hasnt yet taken his parting shot.

[TacklingDummy]

Next year may be very ugly.

[The Answer]

Homer?
LOL this organization is run so bad I'm surprised Holcomb hasnt yet taken his parting shot.

The Answer is patitently waiting for Holcombs response.

~The Answer

[Michael82]

Thanks for sucking ass in training camp and preseason so JP Losman could destroy you in the QB competition and win the job. :clap:

[RockStar36]

What about New England? - The wily vet should have led us to our first win in Foxboro in quite some time if it wasn't for the defense blowing it yet again.

Also your wrong with your assessment regarding last year's preseason - Holcomb looked rocked solid and Jauron was tempted to go with the veteran. That's why we need to credit Holcomb and his competitive nature for lighting a fire under JP.

~The Answer

Someone else already said it and you ignored it. Surprise!

Game on the line. 4th and 8 (I believe). 3 yard pass.

Nice job Kelly.

YOU ****ING SUCK.

[RockStar36]

But on that note...I'd like to think Kelly Holcomb for getting hurt in the KC game so that JP could come in and beat the Chiefs with two wonderful touchdown passes.

[The Answer]

Someone else already said it and you ignored it. Surprise!

Game on the line. 4th and 8 (I believe). 3 yard pass.

Nice job Kelly.

YOU ****ING SUCK.

Can't blame Holcomb for the defense's mistakes.

~The Answer

[Dr. Lecter]

Aaron Schobel threw the 3 yard pass?

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Dummy, why do you have an Mi-24 Hind D as your av? Back to topic, do you really think Holcomb was that much better. Hopeless is a career 8-21 in games where he has played at least 1 qtr. That is even worse than JP

[The Answer]

Aaron Schobel threw the 3 yard pass?

No but the defense let the pats back into the game and eventually take the lead - Holcomb control the entire game for 3 quarters and was making savvy plays all game long.

~The Answer

[RockStar36]

HOLCOMB ****ING SUCKS

[RockStar36]

Aaron Schobel threw the 3 yard pass?

Mularkey was trying out a new gadget play.

[The Answer]

HOLCOMB ****ING SUCKS

Thank you for backing up the arguement with facts.

~The Answer

[gr8slayer]

Thank you for backing up the arguement with facts.

~The Answer
You want facts? There's a reason the guy has been a backup everywhere he has played.

[The Answer]

You want facts? There's a reason the guy has been a backup everywhere he has played.

He played behind Peyton Manning in Indy - think he was going to get an ind of opportunity to play there unless one of the best QB's to ever play the game left the field in a stretcher?

He played behind another #1 overall draft pick in Cleveland, who ended up being a monumental bust - and despite leading an expansion team to their first ever playoff birth as the new Browns, he was benched again for political reasons i.e. Couch being the #1 overall pick.

He played behind Losman in Buffalo - another 1st round pick who looked like he was headed to bust status as well - that's why he was benched twice in favor of Holcomb in 2005. But with Kelly's tutelage, JP has transformed into what appears to be the best QB to come out of the 2004 draft class.

So yes The Answer agrees in part - there is a reason he's been a career back up for the most part, but when McNabb goes down or struggles in 2007 - rest assured that the former Middle Tennesse State standout will finally get his opportunity to shine!

~The Answer

[RockStar36]

Thank you for backing up the arguement with facts.

~The Answer

Which particular fact would you like for this argument?

[justasportsfan]

Game on the line. 4th and 8 (I believe). 3 yard pass.
.

Last play of the game and the game on the line, what's wrong with Holcomb throwing that Hailmary ?

[RockStar36]

He played behind Peyton Manning in Indy - think he was going to get an ind of opportunity to play there unless one of the best QB's to ever play the game left the field in a stretcher?

He played behind another #1 overall draft pick in Cleveland, who ended up being a monumental bust - and despite leading an expansion team to their first ever playoff birth as the new Browns, he was benched again for political reasons i.e. Couch being the #1 overall pick.



~The Answer

Holcomb led them to the playoffs that year??

[jamesiscool]

Last play of the game and the game on the line, what's wrong with Holcomb throwing that Hailmary ?

he couldn't throw the ball 30 yards past the line of scrimmage. unless the hail mary had a RB running out of the backfield holcomb coudn't make the pass.

[gr8slayer]

He played behind Peyton Manning in Indy - think he was going to get an ind of opportunity to play there unless one of the best QB's to ever play the game left the field in a stretcher?

He played behind another #1 overall draft pick in Cleveland, who ended up being a monumental bust - and despite leading an expansion team to their first ever playoff birth as the new Browns, he was benched again for political reasons i.e. Couch being the #1 overall pick.

He played behind Losman in Buffalo - another 1st round pick who looked like he was headed to bust status as well - that's why he was benched twice in favor of Holcomb in 2005. But with Kelly's tutelage, JP has transformed into what appears to be the best QB to come out of the 2004 draft class.

So yes The Answer agrees in part - there is a reason he's been a career back up for the most part, but when McNabb goes down or struggles in 2007 - rest assured that the former Middle Tennesse State standout will finally get his opportunity to shine!

~The AnswerMiddle Tennessee State standout? Hardly

[justasportsfan]

he couldn't throw the ball 30 yards past the line of scrimmage. unless the hail mary had a RB running out of the backfield holcomb coudn't make the pass.


someone missed the joke.

[RockStar36]

I really wish the Answer would answer my question.....

I can't wait to hear the excuse for this one.

[RockStar36]

:tap:

[The Answer]

Which particular fact would you like for this argument?

You have a blatant anti-Holcombmania agenda - and because he didn't convert a 4th down that means he's a bad QB?

~The Answer

[RockStar36]

Holcomb led them to the playoffs that year??

[The Answer]

Holcomb led them to the playoffs that year??

Not their first year - a couple years later.

Holcomb jump started a sagging expansion Cleveland franchise and who knows what would have happened that year if The Browns defense hadn't blown a 17 point lead that Holcomb's big arm created.

~The Answer

[RockStar36]

You have a blatant anti-Holcombmania agenda - and because he didn't convert a 4th down that means he's a bad QB?

~The Answer

No. He's a bad QB for multiple other reasons.

But considering your love for the midget I'm not surprised that you would also love Holcomb this much.

It just proves the credibility of The Answer even further.

[gr8slayer]

No. He's a bad QB for multiple other reasons.

But considering your love for the midget I'm not surprised that you would also love Holcomb this much.

It just proves the credibility of The Answer even further.
The midget?

[The Answer]

No. He's a bad QB for multiple other reasons.

But considering your love for the midget I'm not surprised that you would also love Holcomb this much.

It just proves the credibility of The Answer even further.

Holcomb/Flutie = proven veterans that have carried teams to playoff births.

Also what are these specific reasons why you feel Holcomb is a bad QB?

~The Answer

[RockStar36]

Not their first year - a couple years later.

Holcomb jump started a sagging expansion Cleveland franchise and who knows what would have happened that year if The Browns defense hadn't blown a 17 point lead that Holcomb's big arm created.

~The Answer

Sweet. Here we go.

The year that Holcomb had a great playoff game the Browns went 9-7.

Kelly Holcomb started two games that year for Cleveland. Two games. Week 1 and 2. The Browns record after that: 1-1.

He didn't start a game for Cleveland the rest of the year. How exactly is that leading them to the playoffs?

[RockStar36]

Holcomb/Flutie = proven veterans that have carried teams to playoff births.

Also what are these specific reasons why you feel Holcomb is a bad QB?

~The Answer

1. No mobility

2. Weak arm

3. Poor leadership on the field

4. Poor game management skills

[RockStar36]

The midget?

http://www.scottsdalecards.com/catalog/images/85usflflutie1.jpg

[Saratoga Slim]

Holcomb/Flutie = proven veterans that have carried teams to playoff births.

Also what are these specific reasons why you feel Holcomb is a bad QB?

~The Answer

He's not a bad quarterback, just a bad starting quarterback. He came here, tried to win the starting job, wasn't quite good enough, and now he's moving on. I don't wish the guy any ill will. I just don't think it really matters that he's gone, other than the fact that we have almost 2 extra million in extra cash to play with.

[gr8slayer]

http://www.scottsdalecards.com/catalog/images/85usflflutie1.jpg
Ah yes, wasn't thinking strait.

[The Answer]

Sweet. Here we go.

The year that Holcomb had a great playoff game the Browns went 9-7.

Kelly Holcomb started two games that year for Cleveland. Two games. Week 1 and 2. The Browns record after that: 1-1.

He didn't start a game for Cleveland the rest of the year. How exactly is that leading them to the playoffs?

Couch sucked - and Holcomb played in more games, ones Couch started and was pulled.

Also Holcomb had a 92.6 QB rating for the season and led them to a crucial season finale victory against Atlanta that got them into the playoffs - don't matter if he started or not.

~The Answer

[RockStar36]

Couch sucked - and Holcomb played in more games, ones Couch started and was pulled.

Also Holcomb had a 92.6 QB rating for the season and led them to a crucial season finale victory against Atlanta that got them into the playoffs - don't matter if he started or not.

~The Answer

Holcomb didn't even play in 10 of those 16 games that season.

Next.

[gr8slayer]

Couch sucked - and Holcomb played in more games, ones Couch started and was pulled.

Also Holcomb had a 92.6 QB rating for the season and led them to a crucial season finale victory against Atlanta that got them into the playoffs - don't matter if he started or not.

~The AnswerAnd QB ratings mean what?

[The Answer]

1. No mobility

2. Weak arm

3. Poor leadership on the field

4. Poor game management skills

1) A lot of great QB's have/had little or no mobility

2) Holcomb has a huge arm (see the bengals game in 2005 for one example) - has passed for 400+ yards on several different occasions as well.

3) He led a losing expansion franchise to the playoffs so he must have some kind of leadership skills.

4) You claim he's a master of the 'dink and dunk' - so that tells The Answer he knows how to manage a game/bus drive if need be.

~The Answer

[Dr. Lecter]

Flutie led his team to playoff losses.

0-2 playoff record as a starter. In one game he had 6 TO's.

[Dr. Lecter]

12) Holcomb has a huge arm (see the bengals game in 2005 for one example) - has passed for 400+ yards on several different occasions as well.



Have you watched him throw in the winds?

A strong arm is more than passing yards. It is about hitting out patterns. It is about hitting a tight spiral between two defenders.

[RockStar36]

1) A lot of great QB's have/had little or no mobility

2) Holcomb has a huge arm (see the bengals game in 2005 for one example) - has passed for 400+ yards on several different occasions as well.

3) He led a losing expansion franchise to the playoffs so he must have some kind of leadership skills.

4) You claim he's a master of the 'dink and dunk' - so that tells The Answer he knows how to manage a game/bus drive if need be.

~The Answer

1. Eh...

2. Twice. Both losses.

3. NO HE DIDN'T.

4. He likes to dink and dunk. Far from a master of it.

[The Answer]

He's not a bad quarterback, just a bad starting quarterback. He came here, tried to win the starting job, wasn't quite good enough, and now he's moving on. I don't wish the guy any ill will. I just don't think it really matters that he's gone, other than the fact that we have almost 2 extra million in extra cash to play with.

Holcomb = Rich Gannon/Brad Johnson

A veteran who was a backup for most of his career that blossomed in the later stagers of his career.

McNabb - you are on notice!

~The Answer

[The Answer]

Holcomb didn't even play in 10 of those 16 games that season.

Next.

He was the catalyst that propelled the Browns into the playoffs and a near win against the Steelers on the road - plain and simple.

~The Answer

[The Answer]

Flutie led his team to playoff losses.

0-2 playoff record as a starter. In one game he had 6 TO's.

Once again - the 6 turnovers were not all on The Little General. And without Flutie Magic the game wouldn't have been close.

Also how does The Flutie have an 0-2 record in the playoffs when he never played a down in the music city miracle debacle??

~The Answer

[RockStar36]

He was the catalyst that propelled the Browns into the playoffs and a near win against the Steelers on the road - plain and simple.

~The Answer

But you said he led them to the playoffs.

Then you said he played in more games than Couch.

Now we're down to a near win against the Steelers on the road.

http://www.westcountryclaims.com/images/chess_piece.jpg


Check mate!

[Dr. Lecter]

He started a game for Da' Bears too and got spanked.

And yes, enough of the TO's were his fault.

[The Answer]

Have you watched him throw in the winds?

A strong arm is more than passing yards. It is about hitting out patterns. It is about hitting a tight spiral between two defenders.

The Answer has watched Holcomb closely over the course of his career - you simply aren't giving him credit. He's a downfield assassin and can make the big play if needed.

~The Answer

[justasportsfan]

Mrs. Wilson has a stronger arm than KH.

[The Answer]

But you said he led them to the playoffs.

Then you said he played in more games than Couch.

Now we're down to a near win against the Steelers on the road.

http://www.westcountryclaims.com/images/chess_piece.jpg


Check mate!

Do you have comprehension issues? Yes Holcomb was a catalyst, therefore leading the Browns to the playoffs.

The Answer is also aware of the fact that he wasn't a full 16 game starter in any season of his career.

And yes - Holcomb put up monster numbers against the Steelers in pittsburgh in the wildcard game - 300+ yards, 4 TD's, 17 point lead - only to have the defense let him down (sound familar?).

~The Answer

[RockStar36]

Do you have comprehension issues? Yes Holcomb was a catalyst, therefore leading the Browns to the playoffs.

The Answer is also aware of the fact that he wasn't a full 16 game starter in any season of his career.

And yes - Holcomb put up monster numbers against the Steelers in pittsburgh in the wildcard game - 300+ yards, 4 TD's, 17 point lead - only to have the defense let him down (sound familar?).

~The Answer

I know. He played a great game against Pittsburgh.

But he wasn't a catalyst to the playoffs. He only started 2 games and appeared in only 6.

You lose bud. Move along.

[Devin]

Holcomb blows ass.

[Typ0]

I thought KH showed up with a very competitive game face on and he likely was a good teammate. I'm kind of surprised he was involved with this trade.

[The Answer]

Holcomb blows ass.

Yet another intelligent response from a moderator :tricycle:

~The Answer

[The Answer]

I thought KH showed up with a very competitive game face on and he likely was a good teammate. I'm kind of surprised he was involved with this trade.

Holcomb was a leader and very competitive but since we are deep in rebuilding - so the idiots in the front office could care less if Losman gets hurt because we aren't going to be winning games anyways this season - get ready for some Nall Ball instead of having a wily vet that can come in and keep the team in games and even win some.

Eagles know exactly what they are getting - this trade was for Holcomb not TKO.

~The Answer

[AndreReed83]

Holcomb = Rich Gannon/Brad Johnson

A veteran who was a backup for most of his career that blossomed in the later stagers of his career.

McNabb - you are on notice!

~The Answer

Saying that is an insult to the evolutionary process. Doesn't Holcomb need to actually blossom before you can say that his career blossomed? Unless you think it has already, which would be very sad for Holcomb.

Since it seems like you support JP being the starter, than why hang on to another QB who's not going to help out on the field? I don't even understand your disgust for this trade besides the fact that you just want to troll and cause a stir/get attention (ie - small penis syndrome). The Bills traded a disgruntled player (Spikes) who suffered an injury that he will never fully recover from and a player who was no longer going to contribute (Holcomb) for a need position (Walker) and a draft pick.

[lordofgun]

Thanks for finally leaving, Holcomb. You don't deserve the great name of Kelly.

[patmoran2006]

Dude he'll be lucky if he doesnt get cut during training camp in Philly.

Look out McNab? hahahaha

[The Answer]

Saying that is an insult to the evolutionary process. Doesn't Holcomb need to actually blossom before you can say that his career blossomed? Unless you think it has already, which would be very sad for Holcomb.

Since it seems like you support JP being the starter, than why hang on to another QB who's not going to help out on the field? I don't even understand your disgust for this trade besides the fact that you just want to troll and cause a stir/get attention (ie - small penis syndrome). The Bills traded a disgruntled player (Spikes) who suffered an injury that he will never fully recover from and a player who was no longer going to contribute (Holcomb) for a need position (Walker) and a draft pick.

The Answer is a staunch supporter of JP - but again, he wouldn't be where he is now if it wasn't for Holcomb. Heck you can even argue Bledsoe helped Losman as well - because every young QB behind him (Brady, Losman, Romo) have all developed into legit starter/probowlers - and in Brady's case, 3 time world champion.

And just because The Answer is a Holcomb supporter means he's 'trolling'? This thread was created to simply give a big thank you and good luck to Kelly, but yet the agenda driven posters (and mods) had to chime in with their Anti-Holcomb sentiment and hijack it - very telling. In fact this tells The Answer they are sad to see him go as well - they just have a funny way of showing it.

~The Answer

[AndreReed83]

The Answer is a staunch supporter of JP - but again, he wouldn't be where he is now if it wasn't for Holcomb. Heck you can even argue Bledsoe helped Losman as well - because every young QB behind him (Brady, Losman, Romo) have all developed into legit starter/probowlers - and in Brady's case, 3 time world champion.

And just because The Answer is a Holcomb supporter means he's 'trolling'? This thread was created to simply give a big thank you and good luck to Kelly, but yet the agenda driven posters (and mods) had to chime in with their Anti-Holcomb sentiment and hijack it - very telling. In fact this tells The Answer they are sad to see him go as well - they just have a funny way of showing it.

~The Answer


Oh boo hoo. I never questioned your thank you to Holcomb. I questioned your comparison of Holcomb to Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson, both of whom have been to a Super Bowl. Both of whom fended off QB competition many times, something Holcomb never accomplished, when he actually earned the right to be the starter.

To sum up my original post, I questioned your Holcomb - Gannon/Johnson comparison, queried the motives of your Holcomb backing, and presented why I felt the Spikes trade was a good one.

You respond by telling me Bledsoe had something to do with JP's maturation (which I would agree with, Bledsoe had MUCH more to do with it than Holcomb) and tell me I am anti-Holcomb and that somehow makes me sad to see him go?

I see Holcomb for what he is. Someone who was good enough and willing to work hard enough to make the NFL as a backup/depth QB, who every now-and-then played above himself, but more often then not, proved why he was a backup at best. Thank you, Holcomb, for signing in Buffalo and trying to stabilize the QB position during a transition period. You failed and you're gone. Good luck in Philly.

[The Answer]

Oh boo hoo. I never questioned your thank you to Holcomb. I questioned your comparison of Holcomb to Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson, both of whom have been to a Super Bowl. Both of whom fended off QB competition many times, something Holcomb never accomplished, when he actually earned the right to be the starter.

To sum up my original post, I questioned your Holcomb - Gannon/Johnson comparison, queried the motives of your Holcomb backing, and presented why I felt the Spikes trade was a good one.

You respond by telling me Bledsoe had something to do with JP's maturation (which I would agree with, Bledsoe had MUCH more to do with it than Holcomb) and tell me I am anti-Holcomb and that somehow makes me sad to see him go?

I see Holcomb for what he is. Someone who was good enough and willing to work hard enough to make the NFL as a backup/depth QB, who every now-and-then played above himself, but more often then not, proved why he was a backup at best. Thank you, Holcomb, for signing in Buffalo and trying to stabilize the QB position during a transition period. You failed and you're gone. Good luck in Philly.

Gannon and Johnson didn't get a chance to shine until their mid 30's, you can lump Trent Green into that category as well.

And again - This trade wasn't about TKO. McNabb has a history of injury problems and the Eagles are well aware of this. They lost Garcia, and Feeley is downright pathetic - you don't think they were in the market for a quality veteran that is capable of winning games and carrying the load for them? And The Answer has already been flamed for this - but if McNabb struggles in preseason you could see Holcomb get a chance to be the starter. He's tanned, rested, and ready to chuck the ball around.

Furthermore the Eagles have a great oline and supporting cast - something Holcomb has never had - at least not in Cleveland and Buffalo where he actually got playing time.

Whether or not Holcomb gets his chance remains to be seen - but it's a dangerous mistake to write this wily veteran off as nothing more than camp fodder.

~The Answer

[AndreReed83]

Gannon and Johnson didn't get a chance to shine until their mid 30's, you can lump Trent Green into that category as well.

And again - This trade wasn't about TKO. McNabb has a history of injury problems and the Eagles are well aware of this. They lost Garcia, and Feeley is downright pathetic - you don't think they were in the market for a quality veteran that is capable of winning games and carrying the load for them? And The Answer has already been flamed for this - but if McNabb struggles in preseason you could see Holcomb get a chance to be the starter. He's tanned, rested, and ready to chuck the ball around.

Furthermore the Eagles have a great oline and supporting cast - something Holcomb has never had - at least not in Cleveland and Buffalo where he actually got playing time.

Whether or not Holcomb gets his chance remains to be seen - but it's a dangerous mistake to write this wily veteran off as nothing more than camp fodder.

~The Answer

Nice try, again, but you are cleary putting words in my mouth.

Let's see:

1) Write off as Camp fodder? Never said that. He's a backup QB. He has proven he can be relied on as a backup QB. Anytime he has managed to wina starting job, he has quickly turned it over.

2) Everything indicates the Eagles made the trade for Spikes. They needed a backup QB, so they added more to the trade to get one. You show me anything from an official and reputable source that says the Eagles contacted the Bills to query about Holcomb and ended up pulling out Spikes in the deal, and I'll give you that point.

3) I seriously doubt Holcomb is allowed the starting job over McNabb, even if McNabb's play struggles. If he seems hampered from injury, then yes, I can see Holcomb OR Feeley possibly starting until McNabb is no longer showing signs of the injury. Otherwise, McNabb has struggled before and has yet to lose his job, I don't see that changing.

Anywho, your turn.

[TacklingDummy]

Dummy, why do you have an Mi-24 Hind D as your av?

If I could change it to something else I would.

[The Answer]

Nice try, again, but you are cleary putting words in my mouth.

Let's see:

1) Write off as Camp fodder? Never said that. He's a backup QB. He has proven he can be relied on as a backup QB. Anytime he has managed to wina starting job, he has quickly turned it over.

2) Everything indicates the Eagles made the trade for Spikes. They needed a backup QB, so they added more to the trade to get one. You show me anything from an official and reputable source that says the Eagles contacted the Bills to query about Holcomb and ended up pulling out Spikes in the deal, and I'll give you that point.

3) I seriously doubt Holcomb is allowed the starting job over McNabb, even if McNabb's play struggles. If he seems hampered from injury, then yes, I can see Holcomb OR Feeley possibly starting until McNabb is no longer showing signs of the injury. Otherwise, McNabb has struggled before and has yet to lose his job, I don't see that changing.

Anywho, your turn.

1) The Answer didn't say you said that (camp fodder) - it was merely part of his commentary on the subject. Also, the reasons Holcomb lost his starting job in Cleveland and Buf were out of his control - especially in Cleveland were things were politically motivated.

2) Deception - always part of the game when making personell transactions in the NFL. The Answer will look for the article in which Levy stated the eagles were in the market for a veteran QB because of McNabb's health concerns.

3) Don't think Philly won't hestitate to pull McNabb if he looks like Dante Culpepper did last year in Miami - they have a team built to win a championship and all kinds of talent on the offensive side of the ball.

~The Answer