Alexander's better than POS

[patmoran2006]

Without getting into explanation: If no trades are made.. I think Rufus Alexander will be a better LB in the NFL that Posluszny, ESPECIALLY in a cover two defense-- and Alexander could be had in the second round.

There wont be as many teams on Alexander's radar as some other LBs because kinda like Cato June, he's built only for a cover two defense.

I think Buffalo would be EXTREMELY foolish to take Posluszny in round one; whether it was at 12 or trading down. They'd be much better served to draft a potential franchsie RB like Lynch; a solid #2 WR to give Evans much needed help; or even trading down and then taking a TE like Olsen (though I HATE Rosenhaus clients)

[SABURZFAN]

I think Buffalo would be EXTREMELY foolish to take Posluszny in round one


i agree. :up:

[GarnOFreak]

why do you think Alexander would be a better fit though? He's shorter, only weighs 228lbs and ran a 4.8 40 yard dash? If you think Poz is slow, he's even slower. He has crept into the last two picks of the 1st round in some mocks recently(chicago and indy....to replace Briggs or June). So, apparently people think he fits into the Cover 2 well, but other than those two teams reaching for him, he should be a 2nd round selection. Has anyone seen him play a lot this year? Does he have great instincts, make people around him better, or great leadership? If so, share the info, man. :news:

[patmoran2006]

why do you think Alexander would be a better fit though? He's shorter, only weighs 228lbs and ran a 4.8 40 yard dash? If you think Poz is slow, he's even slower. He has crept into the last two picks of the 1st round in some mocks recently(chicago and indy....to replace Briggs or June). So, apparently people think he fits into the Cover 2 well, but other than those two teams reaching for him, he should be a 2nd round selection. Has anyone seen him play a lot this year? Does he have great instincts, make people around him better, or great leadership? If so, share the info, man. :news:
1- I said Alexander is a second rounder.. I never said the Bills should draft him in the first round.

2- He does fit into a cover two well, only a handful of teams use it, that's why I think he's there in round two.

From nfl.com"
Compares To: Ian Gold, Denver -- Put Alexander in a Cover-2 defense, where he will play in space and utilize his speed, and you will have a very effective player on the weak side … Some compare him to Derrick Brooks, but while he has that closing speed, he lacks the instincts and feel for the ball that Brooks displays … He could make like Seattle's Michael Boulware and shift to safety at the next level to compensate for a lack of bulk … He is best served playing on the move, as his recovery speed lets him make up for a lack of superb field awareness. "

[Michael82]

BTW, isn't his nickname "Poz" ? :scratch:

[patmoran2006]

His nickname is Chad Greenway.

Very productive player in college.

[GarnOFreak]

1- I said Alexander is a second rounder.. I never said the Bills should draft him in the first round.

2- He does fit into a cover two well, only a handful of teams use it, that's why I think he's there in round two.

From nfl.com"
Compares To: Ian Gold, Denver -- Put Alexander in a Cover-2 defense, where he will play in space and utilize his speed, and you will have a very effective player on the weak side … Some compare him to Derrick Brooks, but while he has that closing speed, he lacks the instincts and feel for the ball that Brooks displays … He could make like Seattle's Michael Boulware and shift to safety at the next level to compensate for a lack of bulk … He is best served playing on the move, as his recovery speed lets him make up for a lack of superb field awareness. "

Thanks for the insight on why you have your opinion, I was just wondering why you liked him better as a starter for SLB to replace Spikes, when we already have two smaller faster guys back there in Ellison and Crowell. It's gonna be like having 5 large safeties on the field(when you add in Ko and Donte). That out to help our run defense. At least they should(in theory) be faster to the ball and able to gang tackle people, rather than just mis-tackling like last year.

[Devin]

Without getting into explanation: If no trades are made.. I think Rufus Alexander will be a better LB in the NFL that Posluszny, ESPECIALLY in a cover two defense-- and Alexander could be had in the second round.

There wont be as many teams on Alexander's radar as some other LBs because kinda like Cato June, he's built only for a cover two defense.

I think Buffalo would be EXTREMELY foolish to take Posluszny in round one; whether it was at 12 or trading down. They'd be much better served to draft a potential franchsie RB like Lynch; a solid #2 WR to give Evans much needed help; or even trading down and then taking a TE like Olsen (though I HATE Rosenhaus clients)

:yawn:

[Devin]

His nickname is Chad Greenway.

Very productive player in college.

Absolutley ZERO facts. The two arent even remotley similar in build, style of play, or production.

The only thing they have in common is they are white. Which I suspect is pats hangup. Hes yet to spit any factual reasoning other then "I just dont like him". Doubtful hes even seen a game.

[Bmax]

Well i just can't wait to see the angry posts of Bills fans after the Bills select Paul Posluszny in rd 1 at pick 12 ....

The bills are stupid ......wow .. why? .. way too high .. Bust etc....

Just like last year .. what a bad pick that was....


LOL


Trust me Marv Knows Best

BMAX

[Tatonka]

this is pats 10th thread about Pos and how he hates him.. rofl


can someone really confirm that alexander ran a ****ing 4.8.. seriously.. a FOUR POINT EIGHT??

you mine as well put OKOYE at LB.. he would be faster.

[Night Train]

can someone really confirm that alexander ran a ****ing 4.8.. seriously.. a FOUR POINT EIGHT??

you mine as well put OKOYE at LB.. he would be faster.

6-1 232lbs. 4.69

[Tatonka]

wow.. a 4.7 is still awful..

:rofl:

that is great.. pat calls pos slow.. and he ran faster than alexander.. yet pat has a boner for alexander and says that he would be a perfect fit in the cover 2 speed defense.

and the guy who won the best linebacker in the country award is a piece of crap.
:roflmao:

[Devin]

Alexander is black. Therefor he gets a pass. :rolleyes:

[Tatonka]

AH...

but his name is rufus.. isnt there a deduction for that, even though he is not white?

[HHURRICANE]

Don't want Poluszny.

[Devin]

:yawn:

[GarnOFreak]

you know what's funny about 40 times this year? Gaines Adams, who everyone says is a speed DE/pass rush specialist and all that ran a 4.64

.01 faster than Poz at the combine. Every other DE was slower. It's not like we're talking about Palauni Ma Sun(OG who ran a freakin' 5.85!)

Pro day times(both ran a little faster):

Paul Posluszny LB Posluszny (6-1 ¼, 236) ran his 40s in 4.58 and 4.62. He looked good in all the drills.

Rufus Alexander LB Alexander (6-0¼, 232 pounds) ran his 40s in 4.73 and 4.69. He also had a 4.32 short shuttle and 26 strength lifts. He stood on his Combine numbers for the rest.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts

[Tatonka]

the funny thing is.. pat made this post without realizing that Alexander was SLOWER than Posluszny..

[Ickybaluky]

I like to go by combine times, since they are both running in the same conditions.

Their combine results:

Size:

Posluszny - 6', 1 5/8", 238#

Alexander - 6', 7/8", 228#

40:

Posluszny - 4.63 Low and 4.71 High for 4.67 Average

Alexander - 4.73 Low and 4.85 High for 4.79 Average

Bench:

Posluszny - 22 repititions

Alexander - 25 repititions

Vertical Jump:

Posluszny - 37 Inches

Alexander - 35 Inches

Broad Jump:

Posluszny - 9 ft, 8 In

Alexander - 9 ft, 9 in

Short Shuttle:

Posluszny - 4.2

Alexander - 4.3

Cone Drill:

Posluszny - 6.94

Alexander - 7.06

Posluszny Link (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=12502)

Alexander Link (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=8545)

Alexander didn't test out too badly, although his 40-times came in a little slow. However, Posluszny outperformed him in most tests. Both might be good players, but Pos is clearly the better prospect.

[Tatonka]

you forgot one minor thing NE... who actually played better during their career?

[Devin]

Well said NE.

[billsburgh]

Absolutley ZERO facts. The two arent even remotley similar in build, style of play, or production.
Doubtful hes even seen a game.
We know he hasn't because I asked him directly the other day how many PSU games he has seen the last 2 years and he said it was a stupid question and never answered.

[ShadowHawk7]

"Where'd you go, I miss you so, seems like it's been forever, since you've been gone" (PatMoran is MIA when confronted w/ the facts.)

If/When Willis isn't there at 12, a trade down into the teens to grab Pos and a extra pick seems like a great deal to me.

[patmoran2006]

"Where'd you go, I miss you so, seems like it's been forever, since you've been gone" (PatMoran is MIA when confronted w/ the facts.)

If/When Willis isn't there at 12, a trade down into the teens to grab Pos and a extra pick seems like a great deal to me.Pat Moran is never MIA, let's establish that immediately.

I dont care about combine's, I care about people's ability, I care about the kind of defense or offense you run, and I ESPECIALLY more than anything else, care about VALUE on where you draft whom.

If we wanna go by combine facts and figures-- then Oakland tackle Robert Gallery should be going into the HOF someday. If we want to go by combines. then Broderik Bunkley should be the next Warren Sapp and then some.

NE39's combine numbers posting was a good job. Alexander and Pos are pretty much even in every category. Both are good players, POS won some awards in college, while alexander had a great career as well and every biography out there says he's a perfect fit for a team that runs a cover two.

So you can debate for a long period of time about who is better.

but here is the MAJOR DIFFERENCE. If the Bills want Posluszny they are going to use their 12th pick of the ****ing NFL draft for him? Alexander at the most you'd have to trade into the VERY late first round for, or there's even a chance he can fall right into your lap in round two..

So though the players are similar in size, speed and weight and everything else, there is NO COMPARISON when it comes to draft value.

Alexander could be a steal with our second pick, while Pos would clearly be a reachhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh with the 12th pick.

[patmoran2006]

BTW..

Shaud Williams ran for 1367 yards and 14 TD's in 2003 at Alabama.

How's his NFL career working out?

I'm not saying Pos is a bum just because he had a good college career. Im saying VALUE wise when it comes to the draft, Alexander is by far the better player.

[justasportsfan]

Pat, if that's the case I think Fewell would know and Modrak would draft accordingly.

[Michael82]

I like to go by combine times, since they are both running in the same conditions.

Their combine results:

Size:

Posluszny - 6', 1 5/8", 238#

Alexander - 6', 7/8", 228#

40:

Posluszny - 4.63 Low and 4.71 High for 4.67 Average

Alexander - 4.73 Low and 4.85 High for 4.79 Average

Bench:

Posluszny - 22 repititions

Alexander - 25 repititions

Vertical Jump:

Posluszny - 37 Inches

Alexander - 35 Inches

Broad Jump:

Posluszny - 9 ft, 8 In

Alexander - 9 ft, 9 in

Short Shuttle:

Posluszny - 4.2

Alexander - 4.3

Cone Drill:

Posluszny - 6.94

Alexander - 7.06

Posluszny Link (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=12502)

Alexander Link (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=8545)

Alexander didn't test out too badly, although his 40-times came in a little slow. However, Posluszny outperformed him in most tests. Both might be good players, but Pos is clearly the better prospect.
Wow! Pos was an inch taller than Alexander and he was faster overall? Hmmm, interesting. Hopefully Pos is there if we swap picks with the Chargers, but I doubt it.

[patmoran2006]

Wow! Pos was an inch taller than Alexander and he was faster overall? Hmmm, interesting. Hopefully Pos is there if we swap picks with the Chargers, but I doubt it.
I think POS would go somewhere as early as 15 (Pitt) or as late as NE around 24ish, I cant see him lasting longer than that.

I would be A LOT LESS opposed to Pos, if it doesnt happen with the 12th pick

[Saratoga Slim]

I think POS would go somewhere as early as 15 (Pitt) or as late as NE around 24ish, I cant see him lasting longer than that.

I would be A LOT LESS opposed to Pos, if it doesnt happen with the 12th pick

I agree with this. I like Poz, and you can't ignore his collegiate production, which together with his outstanding intangibles and intelligence makes him worthy of a first round pick. But his measurables are fairly average, so you can't put him in the upper first round echelon with guys like Willis etc who have both great production AND measurables. I think he's a good value for someone in the 15-25 range and a very good value for anyone after that.

I still wonder if he could be this year's Donte Whitner. I.e. last year we apparently wanted a safety in the first round, and might have had our eye on Huff, but then grabbed the next best guy (whitner) when Huff got taken. whitner being a 15-25 value on most pundit draft boards and thus a slight "reach".

Whereas this year, say we're targeting LB in the 1st round, hoping for Patrick Willis. If he's gone at 12, might we reach for Poz, who's more of a 15-25 guy but arguably the next best LB in the draft? Just speculating, but I wouldn't rule it out--especially if we've already addressed our RB need through Turner.

[User Manuel]

What he said.

[Tatonka]

I think POS would go somewhere as early as 15 (Pitt) or as late as NE around 24ish, I cant see him lasting longer than that.

I would be A LOT LESS opposed to Pos, if it doesnt happen with the 12th pick

i dont understand.. how could POS go that early if Rufus is way better and he isnt going until the second round?

[Devin]

I'm not saying Pos is a bum just because he had a good college career.

Actually thats all you have been saying.

[patmoran2006]

i dont understand.. how could POS go that early if Rufus is way better and he isnt going until the second round?
I said Rufus is way better VALUE wise.;

[Tatonka]

why are you so hell bent on assuming that POS would possibly be picked at 12? that seems to be your biggest issue.

and your post title says Alexander is better than POS..

not alexander is a way better value..

your determining value before anyone has picked either. :rolleyes:

[patmoran2006]

why are you so hell bent on assuming that POS would possibly be picked at 12? that seems to be your biggest issue.

and your post title says Alexander is better than POS..

not alexander is a way better value..

your determining value before anyone has picked either. :rolleyes:
its my biggest fear, thats why (Pos at 12)

Last year. LEvy was hell bent on going safety.. Once Huff was gone, he stood pat and took the second best safety instead of trading down.

I think we need LB the most right now.. and if Willis is gone, I fear Marv will do the exact same thing, stand pat and choose the 2nd best LB on the board (arguably, very).. Pos

[justasportsfan]

Actually thats all you have been saying.:snicker:

[patmoran2006]

:snicker:
At least I know what IM talking about.. You on the other hand, on the Turner thread.. accuse of me using stats over "the last three years" to try and make A-Trains YPG into ****.. The difference between last year and the two years before it was 0.4

Please dude. Just go back to rah-rah'ing.

[Ickybaluky]

I said Rufus is way better VALUE wise.;

No, I believe the term you used when describing Posluszny is "sucks".

Meanwhile, you have some man-love thing going on with Alexander.

[patmoran2006]

That's because every dude I know named RUFUS is a pimp..

[Philagape]

No, I believe the term you used when describing Posluszny is "sucks".


Beavis-like hyperbole is an art with many levels of subtle complexity. Don't knock it.

[justasportsfan]

At least I know what IM talking about.. You on the other hand, on the Turner thread.. accuse of me using stats over "the last three years" to try and make A-Trains YPG into ****.. The difference between last year and the two years before it was 0.4

Please dude. Just go back to rah-rah'ing.

eseay there bud. don't wanna trigger your bi-polar moods.