Front seven's weight fluctuating in Buffalo

[YardRat]

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2007/04/bills-frontseven-weightfluctuating050407.html



To aid in stopping the run (the Bills finished 28th last year), soon-to-be second-year tackle John McCargo has beefed up. As a 295-pound rookie in 2006, the first-round pick from North Carolina State missed 11 games and wasn't an important factor as a run stuffer when healthy. Now, though, the highly talented 23-year-old weighs a solid 307, which means he's an ideal size for stymieing opposing offenses' ground games in the Bills' Tampa 2 defense. McCargo's current weight is actually just 10 pounds fewer than the game's preeminent run defender, former Bill and current 317-pound Viking Pat Williams.

McCargo's fellow one-year veteran tackle, Kyle Williams, has also packed on pounds this offseason. Williams, a fifth-round pick who surprised in '06 by accruing 53 total tackles as a 295-pounder, has added double digits. Eleven pounds, to be exact.

Contrary to McCargo and Williams, defensive tackle Larry Tripplett, who signed an expensive contract with Buffalo last offseason, has dropped pounds over the past few months. Tripplett weighed 295 last season, but he's now down to 293. If he stays that way, it means the five-year veteran aims to be slightly more impactful in rushing the QB in 2007. The former Colt registered 2½ sacks last season, which was down from four, the 28-year-old's 2005 number with Indianapolis.

Aiding in the pass-rushing department for next season should be the newly slimmed-down defensive ends Buffalo has.

Aaron Schobel, a 14-sack Pro Bowler in '06, has lost a whopping 19 pounds this offseason (from 262 to 243). Although that appears quite small for a modern-day end, it means the seven-year veteran should be even speedier in terms of getting into enemy backfields next year -- a scary thought for AFC East offenses, for sure.

Like Schobel, strongside ends Chris Kelsay (5½ sacks last year) and Ryan Denney (six sacks) have also dropped a substantial amount of weight. Kelsay has gone from 275 to 261; meanwhile, Denney's size has fluctuated from 275 to 264. That departed 25 pounds should mean more pass-rushing prowess for the Bills' DE rotation on the left side, which is good for the entire defense, obviously.

[mchurchfie]

The last thing those guys need to do is to lose lbs in the double digits, they already get mauled at the line by bigger O-Linemen.:ill:

[kernowboy]

If they’re already getting mauled off the line on the flanks then it makes no difference if they loose weight especially if it directly translates into speed. You can only maul someone if he’s still in front of you. Good to see McCargo and Williams up to 307lbs and 310lbs respectively. I’d like to see Triplett closer to 300lbs but if the youngsters can rotate on the 1 tackle I’m cool with slightly lighter 3 tackles in Triplett and Walker. Does Crowell’s increase in mass definitely mean he’s in the middle? If it does then that raises an interesting question … do we draft a light MLB in Willis and move him to the SLB position or do we draft a guy with more SLB experience like Posluzny? <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[Mitchy moo]

To aid in stopping the run (the Bills finished 28th last year), soon-to-be second-year tackle John McCargo has beefed up. As a 295-pound rookie in 2006, the first-round pick from North Carolina State missed 11 games and wasn't an important factor as a run stuffer when healthy. Now, though, the highly talented 23-year-old weighs a solid 307, which means he's an ideal size for stymieing opposing offenses' ground games in the Bills' Tampa 2 defense. McCargo's current weight is actually just 10 pounds fewer than the game's preeminent run defender, former Bill and current 317-pound Viking Pat Williams.
McCargo's fellow one-year veteran tackle, Kyle Williams, has also packed on pounds this offseason. Williams, a fifth-round pick who surprised in '06 by accruing 53 total tackles as a 295-pounder, has added double digits. Eleven pounds, to be exact.
Contrary to McCargo and Williams, defensive tackle Larry Tripplett, who signed an expensive contract with Buffalo last offseason, has dropped pounds over the past few months. Tripplett weighed 295 last season, but he's now down to 293. If he stays that way, it means the five-year veteran aims to be slightly more impactful in rushing the QB in 2007. The former Colt registered 2½ sacks last season, which was down from four, the 28-year-old's 2005 number with Indianapolis.
Aiding in the pass-rushing department for next season should be the newly slimmed-down defensive ends Buffalo has.
Aaron Schobel, a 14-sack Pro Bowler in '06, has lost a whopping 19 pounds this offseason (from 262 to 243). Although that appears quite small for a modern-day end, it means the seven-year veteran should be even speedier in terms of getting into enemy backfields next year -- a scary thought for AFC East offenses, for sure.

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[justasportsfan]

great find skoobs! :posrep:

[Tatonka]

i still cant believe that schobel is 240.. that isnt right.

does that mean we can line crowell up at DE?

it is just stupid... he is going to get man handled.. if i was the opposing team, i would run right at his ass all day and watch him get caved.

[Tatonka]

how big is walker?

[Mitchy moo]

nice!

[Dr. Lecter]

Pat Williams wieghed more than 317.

[ddaryl]

The last thing those guys need to do is to lose lbs in the double digits, they already get mauled at the line by bigger O-Linemen.:ill:


I think this is a a philosophy handed down by the Bills, not a personal choice of the DE and DT's

We'll have to wait and see if it translates into success.

[Ickybaluky]

McCargo's current weight is actually just 10 pounds fewer than the game's preeminent run defender, former Bill and current 317-pound Viking Pat Williams.

I find it hard to believe Pat Williams is 317 pounds. Looking at him, I'd say he is closer to 350.

[Ickybaluky]

Pat Williams wieghed more than 317.

I bet he only had one foot on the scale.

[Dr. Lecter]

His belly was probably resting a bench or something.

[gil]

He didn't even mention Tim Anderson putting on 30lbs!

:couch:

Seriously though, in an off-season of questionable developments on the defensive side of the ball, this is at least encouraging news to see our nose tackles actually get above 300lbs.

[Michael82]

great find skoobs! :posrep:
yeah, but it was already posted early this morning. so.... MERGED! :up:

[Michael82]

Schobel at 243 scares the crap out of me. Why on Earth would we want him that small? how's he going to be able to maul the big OTs and get at the QB?

[Gunzlingr]

Wow. Color me impressed.

[Gunzlingr]

Schobel at 243 scares the crap out of me. Why on Earth would we want him that small? how's he going to be able to maul the big OTs and get at the QB?

Juke their fat asses.

[gil]

Schobel at 243 scares the crap out of me. Why on Earth would we want him that small? how's he going to be able to maul the big OTs and get at the QB?

I wish Chris Brown would address this - this information is from the Bills site, it just seems bizarre that, among all of these numbers, Schobel would drop that much, and Anderson at 326?

[jamesiscool]

from kind of a common sense stand point i see it as this. less weight = faster.

If schobel lost all thatw eight im sure it wasn't muscle, it was fat. and if our defense needs ends running at full speed every down than carrying around that extra weight is doing nothing but holding him back.

Sure he wont be able to stand up against the run so much but ill wait it out and see how it goes on the field.

no one drops that kind of weight to make themselves worse.

[justasportsfan]

I think this is a a philosophy handed down by the Bills, not a personal choice of the DE and DT's

We'll have to wait and see if it translates into success.
I agree. I think they want to tire out OL's by making them chase speedy guys around the field that keep rotating the entire the game. That might work against the pass but I'm not sure against the run. Looks to me like they want to get to the backfield faster and if it works it'll make our cb's look better than they really are . It'll also force teams to run more against us. Scary thought.

[justasportsfan]

yeah, but it was already posted early this morning. so.... MERGED! :up:
sorry.

[Forward_Lateral]

Pat Williams weighs 317...on the moon.

[HHURRICANE]

Schobel at 243 scares the crap out of me. Why on Earth would we want him that small? how's he going to be able to maul the big OTs and get at the QB?

This is a problem.

1) He wasn't fat to begin with so he didn't lose 19 pounds of fat.

2) He did go to a Pro Bowl so why would you screw around with what has been working?

I hate this. An explanation from the puppet is in order!!

[SquishDaFish]

Sweet Avatar Gunz

[EDS]

i still cant believe that schobel is 240.. that isnt right.

does that mean we can line crowell up at DE?

it is just stupid... he is going to get man handled.. if i was the opposing team, i would run right at his ass all day and watch him get caved.

Maybe they intend to move Schobel to linebacker?

Doesn't make sense though since he is one of the few impact defenders the Bills have.

[gr8slayer]

Pat Williams wieghed more than 317.
Yeah, he is more like 340+

[Michael82]

After more researching, the Schobel thing makes even less sense. If they had him lose that much weight, he's smaller than Freeney. Hell looking at the Bears and Colts and Bucs...he's one of the smallest DE's on a cover 2 defense! Why the hell would you screw with something that works? He was a ****ing Pro Bowler last year! :mad:

[gr8slayer]

After more researching, the Schobel thing makes even less sense. If they had him lose that much weight, he's smaller than Freeney. Hell looking at the Bears and Colts and Bucs...he's one of the smallest DE's on a cover 2 defense! Why the hell would you screw with something that works? He was a ****ing Pro Bowler last year! :mad:
Hey, it's still early in the off-season. Some guys have trouble keeping weight on in the off-season.

[HHURRICANE]

Hey, it's still early in the off-season. Some guys have trouble keeping weight on in the off-season.

You do realize that during the course of a playing season you lose between 10-20 pounds? The off-season is when you are supposed to put some weight on. Schobel was ripped at 263 so pray for a mis-print.

Schobel's weight is an issue until somebody tells us otherwise.

[gr8slayer]

You do realize that during the course of a playing season you lose between 10-20 pounds? The off-season is when you are supposed to put some weight on. Schobel was ripped at 263 so pray for a mis-print.

Schobel's weight is an issue until somebody tells us otherwise.
NO really? I haven't been playing football 16 of my 23 years I've been alive. Please give me more worthless knowledge.

[justasportsfan]

They will soon find out if it's works when they face our huge OL at camp.

[gr8slayer]

They will soon find out if it's works when they face our huge OL at camp.
Football is a game of speed not size. Them losing weight is not a bad thing and I can assure you they won't go into the season weighing that little. I'll put that bet up against anybody.

[Michael82]

Colts DE's:
Dwight Freeney - 6'1, 268 lbs
Robert Mathis - 6'2, 245 lbs
Josh Thomas - 6'5, 271 lbs
Bo Schobel - 6'5, 264 lbs

Bears DE's
Adewale Ogunleye - 6'4, 260 lbs
Alex Brown - 6'3, 260 lbs
Israel Idonije - 6'6, 270 lbs
Mark Anderson - 6'4, 255 lbs

Buccaneers DE's
Simeon Rice - 6'5, 268 lbs
Kevin Carter - 6'6, 305 lbs
Greg Spires - 6'1, 265 lbs
Julian Jenkins - 6'3, 277 lbs

Steelers DE's (will be running the Cover2 this year)
Brett Keisel - 6'5, 285 lbs
Aaron Smith - 6'5, 298 lbs
Travis Kirschke - 6'3, 298 lbs
Rodney Bailey - 6'3, 305 lbs

[Michael82]

Now compare that to ours.....

Bills DE's
Aaron Schobel - 6'4, 243 lbs
Chris Kelsay - 6'4, 261 lbs
Ryan Denney - 6'7, 264 lbs
Ryan Hargrove - 6'3, 271 lbs

The more I see it, I really wonder if the 243 is a misprint. It makes absolutely no sense if it isn't. I'm hoping it's really 263, or something like that. :pray:

[gr8slayer]

Colts DE's:
Dwight Freeney - 6'1, 268 lbs
Robert Mathis - 6'2, 245 lbs
Josh Thomas - 6'5, 271 lbs
Bo Schobel - 6'5, 264 lbs

Bears DE's
Adewale Ogunleye - 6'4, 260 lbs
Alex Brown - 6'3, 260 lbs
Israel Idonije - 6'6, 270 lbs
Mark Anderson - 6'4, 255 lbs

Buccaneers DE's
Simeon Rice - 6'5, 268 lbs
Kevin Carter - 6'6, 305 lbs
Greg Spires - 6'1, 265 lbs
Julian Jenkins - 6'3, 277 lbs

Steelers DE's (will be running the Cover2 this year)
Brett Keisel - 6'5, 285 lbs
Aaron Smith - 6'5, 298 lbs
Travis Kirschke - 6'3, 298 lbs
Rodney Bailey - 6'3, 305 lbs
The Steelers weights will be going down alot if they plan on running the C2

[Michael82]

The Steelers weights will be going down alot if they plan on running the C2
yeah they will.

[casdhf]

Smith will move to DT, I'm sure

[justasportsfan]

Football is a game of speed not size. Them losing weight is not a bad thing and I can assure you they won't go into the season weighing that little. I'll put that bet up against anybody.I wouldn't say so much as size but strength.

There have been several games where BB ran straight at Schobel and was very successful at it. That was even when Schobel was heavier and we had Sam and Pat in the middle.


I'm not disagreeing with you but unless Schobel and Kelsay are strong for their size , they can and will be out muscled against the bigger ,stronger and athletic OT's in the league against the run. Like I said, I can only hope they can tire them out by making these OT's chase them around the field and our rotation will still keep our DE"s fresh for the 4th qtr.

[bflojohn]

Excuse me for bringing this up, however, Jason Taylor, the NFL defensive player of the year doesn't play heavy either!! I believe that Taylors' playing weight is roughly 245 lbs. Maybe the Bills braintrust feels that Aaron Schobel can become even more explosive without the 265 lb physique!! Just a thought!!

[venis2k1]

anyone else miss our old attacking zone blitzing defense with the big uglys up front and the fast nasty LBs flying around making plays?

[billsburgh]

Pat Williams wieghed more than 317.
high school was probably the last time big Pat was 317

[ddaryl]

anyone else miss our old attacking zone blitzing defense with the big uglys up front and the fast nasty LBs flying around making plays?

Yes. I defintiely miss those dominating D's

[billsburgh]

Schobel at 243 scares the crap out of me. Why on Earth would we want him that small? how's he going to be able to maul the big OTs and get at the QB?
it's not rushing the qb that scares me, it's playing the run that terrifies me. once those big tackles get their hands on him, it's over.

[Michael82]

it's not rushing the qb that scares me, it's playing the run that terrifies me. once those big tackles get their hands on him, it's over.
Agreed. Especially when there are a bunch of RBs that are now going to be bigger than Schobel. :ill:

[billsburgh]

Agreed. Especially when there are a bunch of RBs that are now going to be bigger than Schobel. :ill:
yeah, you're right. I didnt even think about the bigger backs and Shoebel trying to tackel them. I really hope that he puts some of the weight back on before training camp.