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  • patmoran2006
    Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
    • Dec 2005
    • 19840

    Turner Trade scenarios and value points

    If Buffalo makes a trade with San Diego for Turner, by FAR the best Buffalo can realistically do is agree to swap 1st Rounders..

    Exhibit A
    Buffalo moves down to 30 and SD moves up to 12. The swap constitutes 580 points on the draft value chart. Buffalo loses those points BUT picks up Turner, still has a first round pick and gets to keep all of their other first day picks. They'd end up with 4 first day picks, PLUS Turner.

    Exhibit B
    Buffalo trades their second (43rd) and third (74th) rounders for Turner.
    In this case; Buffalo would be making the worse value trade possible. They'd lose 690 value points on draft day (as opposed to 580 in Exhibit A)- They'd have Turner but only two other first day picks instead of four.

    Exhibit C
    Buffalo trades their second (43rd) and Baltimore's third (92nd) for Turner.
    This case is bad, but not as bad as Exhibit B. WE'd lose 602 value points, and still have only 2 first day picks plus Turner.

    Exhibit D
    Buffalo trades their second rounder (43rd) straight up for Turner.
    This is the second best option. WE'd lose 470 value points; have Turner, keep the 12th pick and still have two third rounders. In this scenario, you're basically "drafting" Turner over Pittman or Irons.

    Going by this: It has to be "A" or "D". I think B and C are too much to give up. I really like option "D" the best; as we could keep our second rounder. If Willis isnt there, we can move down and recoup that second rounder anyway. The question is if San Diego would part for a second rounder.
    Of course, we might be able to package a second this year and a third next year to soften the blow from this draft.

    All I know is the only two deals I would NOT make if I'm Levy is B or C. I think a 2nd and a 3rd, both THIS year is too much to give up for him.


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  • DraftBoy
    Administrator
    • Jul 2002
    • 107441

    #2
    Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

    Good breakdown
    COMING SOON...
    Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
    We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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    • casdhf
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 17542

      #3
      Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

      Maybe SD doesn't think a swap of 1's is enough ... maybe we can do that and toss a 3rd next season. We'd still have all our picks this and next, since we got the extra 3rd from BAL.
      Originally posted by BillsZone Mod
      cas,

      I'm just letting you know that you have been given 2 points for telling Wys AKA Mark to kill himself.

      BillsZone Mod

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      • patmoran2006
        Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
        • Dec 2005
        • 19840

        #4
        Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

        Originally posted by casdhf
        Maybe SD doesn't think a swap of 1's is enough ... maybe we can do that and toss a 3rd next season. We'd still have all our picks this and next, since we got the extra 3rd from BAL.
        Agreed.. I'd be shocked if SD didnt try to get more than just the swap, though given it being his final year under deal, they may end up taking it.


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        • BILLSROCK1212
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          • Mar 2006
          • 5269

          #5
          Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

          how about swapping second rounders?

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          • patmoran2006
            Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
            • Dec 2005
            • 19840

            #6
            Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

            SD aint doing that


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            • jdbillsfan
              Registered User
              • Oct 2002
              • 1071

              #7
              Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

              If we give up two picks for him, I would like to break them up between this year and next.

              Another option would be a 1st straight up. They are asking for a 1st and a 3rd so its not out of the question.

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              • Novacane
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 42368

                #8
                Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

                He is not worth a first. No more than a #2. He's proven nothing other than comming in and running over a defense after LT wore them down. I don't understand those willing to give up the #12 pick for this guy.

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                • patmoran2006
                  Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 19840

                  #9
                  Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

                  Originally posted by jdbillsfan
                  If we give up two picks for him, I would like to break them up between this year and next.

                  Another option would be a 1st straight up. They are asking for a 1st and a 3rd so its not out of the question.
                  I dont give up my first rounder this year under any scenario (other than the swap) for two reasons
                  1- Willis by chance is on the board.
                  2- If Willis is gone, I trade down and recop some of what I lost giving up for Turner.

                  I do think that two first day picks, split up between this year and next is a smart move for Buffalo. Or the even 1st round swap this year.


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                  • BILLSROCK1212
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                    • Mar 2006
                    • 5269

                    #10
                    Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

                    Originally posted by patmoran2006
                    SD aint doing that
                    AJ Smith is beginning to understand Turner's value and has said he will be flexible in discussing a trade....he is worth no more than Thomas Jones was.

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                    • jdbillsfan
                      Registered User
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 1071

                      #11
                      Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

                      You don't think Turner would help our team more than Willis?

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                      • patmoran2006
                        Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 19840

                        #12
                        Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

                        Originally posted by BILLSROCK1212
                        AJ Smith is beginning to understand Turner's value and has said he will be flexible in discussing a trade....he is worth no more than Thomas Jones was.
                        Good point about Jones. I hadn't thought about it that way with him.


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                        • Ickybaluky
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 8884

                          #13
                          Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

                          Originally posted by BILLSROCK1212
                          how about swapping second rounders?
                          186 Points. About equivalent to the 80th overall selection, or the middle 3rd round.

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                          • patmoran2006
                            Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 19840

                            #14
                            Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

                            Originally posted by jdbillsfan
                            You don't think Turner would help our team more than Willis?
                            im all for keeping our 1st rounder at 12 if possible, and I dont think he'll be there anyway.. But I think Willis is going to be a top 5 LB in this league in 3 years.. If I was GUARENTEED to have Willis at 12 on the board, I would never give that pick up for Turner.


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                            • JPFBillsFan
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 214

                              #15
                              Re: Turner Trade scenarios and value points

                              I don't understand how the Jets were able to swap 2nds for Jones yet we have to swap 1sts with SD and that's not good enough?

                              Someone please explain to me why we continue to grossly over pay, if this scenario played out?

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