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  • Dr. Lecter
    Zero for Zero!
    • Mar 2003
    • 67946

    What if?

    What should Marv do if Willis and AP are gone at 12 and they find nobody willing to trade up to the 12th spot (or no fair deal)?

    Who should the Bills take?
    Originally posted by mysticsoto
    Lecter is right in everything he said.
  • don137
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 7720

    #2
    Re: What if?

    Beason...fast, cover 2 linebacker they desparately need

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    • TedMock
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 3221

      #3
      Re: What if?

      Best Player Available. I would assume the grab Darrell Reevis in that case. Not a bad pick.

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      • patmoran2006
        Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
        • Dec 2005
        • 19840

        #4
        Re: What if?

        IMO.. (I think you meant they dont trade down, becuase if they could I would trade down for sure).

        Marshawn Lynch-- unless they plan on landing Turner.
        IF they are landing turner, then jon Beason-- easily.

        Look, I like Reevis alot, a hell of a lot better than Hall.. Just refuse to believe we'd pick a CB with our first rounder.

        we let nate walk in part because of the $ (obviously) but in part because a corner like him isnt quite as important in THIS PARTICULAR defense.. So we're just going to replace the CB in round one before the 2 LB's or the RB?

        That makes ZERO SENSE.


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        • THATHURMANATOR
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          • Jul 2002
          • 69112

          #5
          Re: What if?

          Originally posted by patmoran2006
          IMO.. (I think you meant they dont trade down, becuase if they could I would trade down for sure).

          Marshawn Lynch-- unless they plan on landing Turner.
          IF they are landing turner, then jon Beason-- easily.

          Look, I like Reevis alot, a hell of a lot better than Hall.. Just refuse to believe we'd pick a CB with our first rounder.

          we let nate walk in part because of the $ (obviously) but in part because a corner like him isnt quite as important in THIS PARTICULAR defense.. So we're just going to replace the CB in round one before the 2 LB's or the RB?

          That makes ZERO SENSE.
          Read the Thread Nancy. He said if NO ONE wants to trade up.

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          • patmoran2006
            Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
            • Dec 2005
            • 19840

            #6
            Re: What if?

            I misread it... Still, my answer responded to his question.

            Lynch if we dont trade for Turner
            Beason if we do.


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            • Dr. Lecter
              Zero for Zero!
              • Mar 2003
              • 67946

              #7
              Re: What if?

              I made it even clearer for him.
              Originally posted by mysticsoto
              Lecter is right in everything he said.

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              • TedMock
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 3221

                #8
                Re: What if?

                Originally posted by patmoran2006
                IMO.. (I think you meant they dont trade down, becuase if they could I would trade down for sure).

                Marshawn Lynch-- unless they plan on landing Turner.
                IF they are landing turner, then jon Beason-- easily.

                Look, I like Reevis alot, a hell of a lot better than Hall.. Just refuse to believe we'd pick a CB with our first rounder.

                we let nate walk in part because of the $ (obviously) but in part because a corner like him isnt quite as important in THIS PARTICULAR defense.. So we're just going to replace the CB in round one before the 2 LB's or the RB?

                That makes ZERO SENSE.
                I can see what you're saying. I would trade down first too, but, if we couldn't I would be fine with either Reevis or Beason. In this particular case I choose Reevis primarily because I feel that there are a good handful of value LB's we can pick up in rounds 2 and 3. Guys like Buster Davis or Justin Durant would be real solid 3rd round values. The one advantage we have at LB is that Crowell could play inside and outside. That leaves us more options.

                We drafted Youboty last year and I hope he turns out to be a stud, but the reality is that he was a 3rd round pick, not a first rounder. As a third rounder I fully expect him to be a very good number 2 CB for a long time. Of course, I hope he has number 1 talent, but, again, he's a 3rd rounder. If he was a first rounder I would fully expect him to be a number 1 CB by his 2nd season.

                Ideally, we trade down to 20-something and take Beason there.

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                • OpIv37
                  Acid Douching Asswipe
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 101313

                  #9
                  Re: What if?

                  Lynch or Reevis- Beason or Poz would be terrible value.
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                  • patmoran2006
                    Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 19840

                    #10
                    Re: What if?

                    Originally posted by TedMock
                    I can see what you're saying. I would trade down first too, but, if we couldn't I would be fine with either Reevis or Beason. In this particular case I choose Reevis primarily because I feel that there are a good handful of value LB's we can pick up in rounds 2 and 3. Guys like Buster Davis or Justin Durant would be real solid 3rd round values. The one advantage we have at LB is that Crowell could play inside and outside. That leaves us more options.

                    We drafted Youboty last year and I hope he turns out to be a stud, but the reality is that he was a 3rd round pick, not a first rounder. As a third rounder I fully expect him to be a very good number 2 CB for a long time. Of course, I hope he has number 1 talent, but, again, he's a 3rd rounder. If he was a first rounder I would fully expect him to be a number 1 CB by his 2nd season.

                    Ideally, we trade down to 20-something and take Beason there.
                    Excellent points and I'd be lying if I said I disagreed with you about the value of decent cover two LB's in rounds 2-3. The guys you mentioned plus Earl Everett and Rufus Alexander are cover two system LB's (I think).

                    Under Lecter's scenario I'd absolutely TRADE DOWN for two reasons...

                    I understand you need a trade partner to do that. IF Denver dont trade with Houston they'd be the strongest possibility.. Especially if Anderson or Carriker are on the board. Another team nobody talks about is the New York Giants, who would LOVE to get their hands on Reevis.

                    Anyway, the two reasons I'd trade down to the 18-24 spots.
                    1- you can still get Beason or Pos anyway
                    2- We'd have two second rounders, which would then make trading for Turner a no-brainer.


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                    • patmoran2006
                      Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 19840

                      #11
                      Re: What if?

                      Originally posted by OpIv37
                      Lynch or Reevis- Beason or Poz would be terrible value.
                      I disagree that Beason would be terrible value.. He's a cover two LB and he'll be gone within 4-5 picks after us if we didnt take him. he could be gone to Pitt at 15


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                      • justasportsfan
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 71601

                        #12
                        Re: What if?

                        Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                        I made it even clearer for him.
                        haha! Nice try. Your thread got hijacked. Your terms aren't being met, negotiations are now going on and the trades are continuing. Maybe Pat will let some hostages go.
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                        • patmoran2006
                          Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 19840

                          #13
                          Re: What if?

                          Originally posted by justasportsfan
                          haha! Nice try. Your thread got hijacked. Your terms aren't being met, negotiations are now going on and the trades are continuing. Maybe Pat will let some hostages go.
                          you gonna start following my posts around again with your ignortant off-topic comments like usual?

                          Lecter posted a good question and I misread the trade part. Since then, I've answered the question ON TOPIC and related to the question.


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                          • THATHURMANATOR
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 69112

                            #14
                            Re: What if?

                            Originally posted by patmoran2006
                            I misread it... Still, my answer responded to his question.

                            Lynch if we dont trade for Turner
                            Beason if we do.
                            Thank you.

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                            • TacklingDummy
                              Unreachable Douche
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 71725

                              #15
                              Re: What if?

                              Get a room.

                              Holy Grail!!!

                              It was a easy frigging question. Who would you PICK if AP and Willis are both gone?

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