This NEEDS to be said

[User Manuel]

I am feeling a bit angry today....

Why do some people keep harping that it was a mistake to draft Trent Edwards with our 3rd round pick when we had a "need" a CB, backup LB and WR. Is there some reason to believe that anyone we took there would definately be better than:

1) Ashton Youboty (3rd Round Pick)
2) Keith Ellison (played well)
3) Peerless Price or Josh Reed

Name the player and make a guarantee and prepare to be negged when you are wrong.

Also, while I was no Poz fan anyone guaranteeing Harris is better is full of it.

Come on!!!! And please don't go on about Siler or Alexander because apparently alot of other poeple in the NFL felt the same way about them.

[Philagape]

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It's not a matter of playing better than any starter, but adding depth and creating competition, which could make them all better. And unlike QB, a player at any of those positions would make a significant contribution. Another CB or WR would see the field a lot.

[User Manuel]

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It's not a matter of playing better than any starter, but adding depth and creating competition, which could make them all better. And unlike QB, a player at any of those positions would make a significant contribution. Another CB or WR would see the field a lot.

I can accept that logic, but alot of people are claiming that the 3rd round pick would have produced a sure fire starter. That simply isn't true.

[YardRat]

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Hell, the only reason the first and second round picks are 'sure-fire starters' are because we have gaping holes that needed to be filled at those positions.

[Mr. Miyagi]

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Also, while I was no Poz fan anyone guaranteeing Harris is better is full of it.

You're no Poz fan?

Poz is the next Urlacher baby!

[OpIv37]

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I am feeling a bit angry today....

Why do some people keep harping that it was a mistake to draft Trent Edwards with our 3rd round pick when we had a "need" a CB, backup LB and WR. Is there some reason to believe that anyone we took there would definately be better than:

1) Ashton Youboty (3rd Round Pick)
2) Keith Ellison (played well)
3) Peerless Price or Josh Reed

Name the player and make a guarantee and prepare to be negged when you are wrong.

Also, while I was no Poz fan anyone guaranteeing Harris is better is full of it.

Come on!!!! And please don't go on about Siler or Alexander because apparently alot of other poeple in the NFL felt the same way about them.

There ARE no guarantees. But first, any LB picked in the 3rd round would be depth behind Ellison, Pos and Crowell who are the starters. We really have a load of **** behind them.

Second, same for CB- what's wrong with bringing in one for depth and/or camp competition? What if Youboty sucks in camp and preseason? At least with a 3rd round pick, we'd have another option to look at. Again, no guarantee, but you'd increase the chances of having a decent CB.

Third, when it comes to WR, Reed and Price have been mediocre for years now. Neither can consistently take pressure off Evans. Is a 3rd round guaranteed to be better? No, but it's a possibility and they could fight it out in camp. Combine that with the fact that both Reed and Price signed backloaded contracts that mean they'd be really expensive to keep in '08, and WR is a bigger priority than most people realize.

[User Manuel]

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You're no Poz fan?

Poz is the next Urlacher baby!

I can't go back on my prior statements. I hated the idea of Poz at 12. I like him much better at 34. I can like him with no guilt now. I just didnt think he was avalue at 12. It is much how I felt about Whitner last year. No problem with the player, just how high.

[User Manuel]

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There ARE no guarantees. But first, any LB picked in the 3rd round would be depth behind Ellison, Pos and Crowell who are the starters. We really have a load of **** behind them.

Second, same for CB- what's wrong with bringing in one for depth and/or camp competition? What if Youboty sucks in camp and preseason? At least with a 3rd round pick, we'd have another option to look at. Again, no guarantee, but you'd increase the chances of having a decent CB.

Third, when it comes to WR, Reed and Price have been mediocre for years now. Neither can consistently take pressure off Evans. Is a 3rd round guaranteed to be better? No, but it's a possibility and they could fight it out in camp. Combine that with the fact that both Reed and Price signed backloaded contracts that mean they'd be really expensive to keep in '08, and WR is a bigger priority than most people realize.

Darrell Jackson would have looked nice for that 4th rounder in spite of his cost.

[OpIv37]

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And unlike QB, a player at any of those positions would make a significant contribution. Another CB or WR would see the field a lot.

This is the biggest reason why I hate that 3rd round pick. If Losman gets injured without Edwards, we're screwed. If Losman gets injured with Edwards, well, we're still screwed. I'm not saying Edwards sucks- I'm saying QB has the highest learning curve in the NFL and the chances of him coming off the bench and contributing THIS year are slim to none.

A WR or CB- while no guarantee- would be much more likely to contribute in some form THIS season.

[camelcowboy]

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I am feeling a bit angry today....

Why do some people keep harping that it was a mistake to draft Trent Edwards with our 3rd round pick when we had a "need" a CB, backup LB and WR. Is there some reason to believe that anyone we took there would definately be better than:

1) Ashton Youboty (3rd Round Pick)
2) Keith Ellison (played well)
3) Peerless Price or Josh Reed

Name the player and make a guarantee and prepare to be negged when you are wrong.

Also, while I was no Poz fan anyone guaranteeing Harris is better is full of it.

Come on!!!! And please don't go on about Siler or Alexander because apparently alot of other poeple in the NFL felt the same way about them.

Hughes from cal should have been the pick. And the world champs who run the cover 2 drafted him the next pick. He's going to be a very good cover 2 corner and this is from a team that makes good decisions drafting corners late. Edwards A project qb who has played on a crappy team, who has a blood diease and who is going to be the third qb on this team is not the better pick. Neg me all you want its luxury pick on a team has many needs. A third string qb should be less of a priority then a cb who could be 3rd 4th on the depth chart. Because nickel and dime backs will play 500 snaps a year. It was a bad pick for this team.

[Mudflap1]

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I never said that a 3rd round pick instead of Edwards (or not used as leverage to trade up for Pos) would result in sure fire starters. However, it would go to a position in much bigger need than QB. This team needs WR's, LB's, and CB's.

Besides, Edwards sucks! Maybe in the 5th round or something...

Jon

[ddaryl]

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Edwards was a great pick regardless of other needs.

We need a rock solid #2 capable QB and picking Edwards this year gives him a year to work under the system, and time to get up to NFL speed and be that rock solid #2 guy. The QB positon takes talent and takes an investment of time. When you get a FA QB as your #2 guy you get another teams cast off or an aging vet with diminishing skills. With a drafted rookie QB we get quite a bit more possible upside.

Injuries happen, and it's more then likely JP will miss 1/2 dozen games over the next few years. Jp also has a contract due in 2008 which it would be foolish to not have a plan in place in case he is not resignable for whatever reason. Also it is possible that JP can regress in his developement. If any of these things happen all of us will extremely happy we have Edwards on the team.

The other fact is marv will get some guys in here to shore up our depth at all of our positions.

[CSFAN]

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It's amazing to me that people think we were "all set" at the backup QB position. Even at the starting QB position, we've got a guy who had one good half of a season. I have high hopes for JP, but we have absolutely no insurance at the most important position a team has.

It took the Bills brain trust - who have put together 2 outstanding drafts - about 20 seconds to decide this pick. That should tell everyone something.

[patmoran2006]

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Edwards was a great pick regardless of other needs.

We need a rock solid #2 capable QB and picking Edwards this year gives him a year to work under the system, and time to get up to NFL speed and be that rock solid #2 guy. The QB positon takes talent and takes an investment of time. When you get a FA QB as your #2 guy you get another teams cast off or an aging vet with diminishing skills. With a drafted rookie QB we get quite a bit more possible upside.

Injuries happen, and it's more then likely JP will miss 1/2 dozen games over the next few years. Jp also has a contract due in 2008 which it would be foolish to not have a plan in place in case he is not resignable for whatever reason. Also it is possible that JP can regress in his developement. If any of these things happen all of us will extremely happy we have Edwards on the team.

The other fact is marv will get some guys in here to shore up our depth at all of our positions.

Mudflaps bigger problem seems to be he thinks Edwards sucks.. WHich if true he has a legit case..

What I dont like is Polian took Daymeion Hughes next, which to me all but ensures he's a good CB and we should've taken him.

But, I am not hating on Edwards.. I dont hate the pick.

[Mudflap1]

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Mudflaps bigger problem seems to be he thinks Edwards sucks.. WHich if true he has a legit case..

What I dont like is Polian took Daymeion Hughes next, which to me all but ensures he's a good CB and we should've taken him.

Boy, you just summed up everything perfectly right there. And remember, Dungy is the father of the Cover 2 defense, exactly what we are trying to emulate.

So if we took, say, Hughes instead of Edwards, I'd be feeling much better about this draft.

As an aside, as well as seeing Trent Edwards play many times (and coming away feeling, even months ago, that he completely stinks), I think Marshawn Lynch is a pretty darn good player. I just hope the ghetto bird factor doesn't come into play in Buffalo, ala Willis McHamSandwich style.

Hughes is a good player also, IMO.

Jon