Upon furtherererer Review (We should move to Winnipeg)

[User Manuel]

Since it has become painfully obvious that the team has no opportunity to compete due to the stunning pick of Trent Edwards I have decided to give up all modicum of hope. I feel by moving to Winnipeg and joining the CFL Marv and company will have some opportunity to compete.

I realize I was under the mistaken impression that this team was a Super Bowl contender right now and that Brandon Siler or Rufus Alexander were that one vital piece that would have meant the difference between superbowl and bust.

Furthermore after reviewing his vast body of work from last year I have joined in the conclusion that Asthon Youboty will be lucky if he can urinate alone much less cover an NFL reciever.

Lastly, after reflecting back on all of the Super bowl rings on Randy Moss' fingers I have decided that it is futile and that the Patriots will, in fact, win 27 games this year. Why even bother.

I am glad to announce that due to this I have decided to embrace the Buffalo Silverbacks as my new favorite professional franchise.

Good bye and god bless.

p.s. There is also an obvious NHL conspiracy to give the Sabres the cup as well and the Sabres have been lucky for nearly 200 straight games.

[shelby]

:goodpost:

Marv Levy called, and said to tell everyone he doesn't give a flying :curse: whether or not they're happy with the 2007 draft.

:D

[Mad Bomber]

:rofl:

[Mr. Miyagi]

Furthermore after reviewing his vast body of work from last year I have joined in the conclusion that Asthon Youboty will be lucky if he can urinate alone much less cover an NFL reciever.
:rofl:

[Devin]

:lmao:

[Mudflap1]

I have a really good idea...

Let's all start new threads to complain about people who don't unconditionally fall in love with everything the Buffalo Bills do in their offseason so we can all hear ourselves talk (or, write) superflously. Better yet, let's all give Marv Levy the personal praise and all the credit in the world, when in reality he's nothing more than a figurehead that probably works 2 hours a day and merely oversees operations...

Nobody said the Bills should move. I'm not saying the Bills won't be competitive (although I think 5-11 or 6-10 sounds about right right now), and I'm not saying I don't support the players on the roster. I'm just saying I think there were a few very questionable moves and that's that. For you guys to constantly berate and insult people who have a brain and can think for themselves (and understand the game of football) is ridiculous.

Jon

[Mr. Miyagi]

Okay Jon is a glass half empty guy along with some others. I'm a glass half full guy myself. Fair enough. No need to bicker.

[Mudflap1]

Okay Jon is a glass half empty guy along with some others. I'm a glass half full guy myself. Fair enough. No need to bicker.

I'm actually a glass is half full guy. I support getting rid of McGahee, he had no heart and is a major underachiever. I support letting Fletcher go, he's getting older and has limited range. I even supported letting Nate walk (too much money for a "pretty good" CB), and trading Spikes for Darwin Walker (too much money for a guy on the decline and injury-proned now). I liked the offensive line signings, and like the way the defensive backfield is being set up, along with the defensive line. I'm optimistic McCargo will pan out.

I think Lynch is a safe pick. Talent-wise, he is good and could be a good fit. However, the ghetto bird factor makes me nervous, ala McGahee. Posluszny is a decent find in the 2nd round. I think we gave up too much (early 3rd) to trade up 9 spots to get him, but I can live what that. What I didn't like was the rest of the draft. I thought, for a team that wants to get young and needs impact guys, we totally squandered the third round. If Edwards turns out decent, that's fine. However, as stated previously, I've seen the guy play dozens of times and he sucks! Look at his numbers. People compare him to Jay Cutler because they both weren't on stellar teams, but were in big conferences. Cutler at least could steal some games here and there with his arm and put up some stats. You can't say the same about Edwards. Third round was a total waste. I don't understand going RB in the 4th round either. If we need to get a retread back to help out AT and ML, why not sign Chris Brown or something, then get another CB or LB with that pick, along with the 3rds? Don't understand it.

Then myself and a few others get ripped with new threads popping up all over the place like Starbucks saying maybe we all feel the team should move to Canada or something. Give me a break. Didn't mean to confuse you guys with the facts...

Jon

[Gunzlingr]

It is one thing to be critical, but to claim you know what would have happened if we had chosen differently is the problem. Not saying it is you, but some posters seem to think they are better judges of talent than scouts and team personnel. They forget tho that they are the same people that had Siler and Alexander going in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, and had that guy last year (DLineman I think) going in the mid rounds only to go undrafted. All the second guessing gets old.

[Mudflap1]

It is one thing to be critical, but to claim you know what would have happened if we had chosen differently is the problem. Not saying it is you, but some posters seem to think they are better judges of talent than scouts and team personnel. They forget tho that they are the same people that had Siler and Alexander going in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, and had that guy last year (DLineman I think) going in the mid rounds only to go undrafted. All the second guessing gets old.

I agree with that, and will say that what I'm talking about is merely my opinion, although I feel it has a lot of merit. We'll see though. In the meantime, I hope I'm wrong and all of our draft picks work out great.

Jon

[Mr. Miyagi]

I still haven't seen any "facts" coming out of your posts. Seems like more opinions to me.

Like I said before, Edwards in the 3rd round was a value pick. When we trade him away in 2 years for a 2nd and 3rd and swapping 1st, you won't be complaining as loudly I suspect.

I like the Dwayne Wright pick. We've always needed a big goal back who can get us those 1st downs in 3rd and short. Lynch can do it too I think but why not have a specialist? Smash mouth football I do not mind. Takes the load off Marshawn and free up defenses on JP.

The rest of the low rounders are just projects and depth, no need to concern yourself with.

[Mitchy moo]

All the second guessing gets old.

& futile.

[Mudflap1]

I still haven't seen any "facts" coming out of your posts. Seems like more opinions to me.

Like I said before, Edwards in the 3rd round was a value pick. When we trade him away in 2 years for a 2nd and 3rd and swapping 1st, you won't be complaining as loudly I suspect.

I like the Dwayne Wright pick. We've always needed a big goal back who can get us those 1st downs in 3rd and short. Lynch can do it too I think but why not have a specialist? Smash mouth football I do not mind. Takes the load off Marshawn and free up defenses on JP.

The rest of the low rounders are just projects and depth, no need to concern yourself with.

Why draft a guy in the 3rd round that we are posturing to trade for a second a few years from now? Talk about opportunity cost. As for some facts...

Trent Edwards Record while at Stanford: 14-34

Stat Overview Passing
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2003 77 170 750 45.3 4.41 36 4 9 13 79.53
2004 149 274 1732 54.4 6.32 76 9 11 19 110.29
2005 168 268 1934 62.7 7.22 49 17 7 30 139.01
2006 94 156 1027 60.3 6.58 48 6 6 22 120.55
2006 Game Log Passing Rushing
DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
9/2 @Oregon L 48-10 20 34 224 58.8 39 1 0 123.87 8 33 4.1 19 0
9/9 @San Jose State L 35-34 18 28 233 64.3 48 4 1 174.18 9 34 3.8 11 0
9/16 Navy L 37-9 23 35 226 65.7 25 0 1 114.24 7 25 3.6 16 0
9/23 Washington State L 36-10 14 23 159 60.9 26 1 1 124.59 13 -21 -1.6 12 0
9/30 @UCLA L 31-0 12 23 117 52.2 29 0 3 68.82 14 -8 -0.6 17 0
10/7 @Notre Dame L 31-10 7 13 68 53.8 19 0 0 97.79 7 -30 -4.3 6 0
10/14 Arizona L 20-7 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0.00 1 4 4.0 4 0
10/21 @Arizona State L 38-3 Did Not Play or No Stats Accumulated
11/4 USC L 42-0 Did Not Play or No Stats Accumulated
11/11 @Washington W 20-3 Did Not Play or No Stats Accumulated
11/18 Oregon State L 30-7 Did Not Play or No Stats Accumulated
12/2 @California L 26-17 Did Not Play or No Stats Accumulated

[Mr. Miyagi]

Would you care to use the stats you posted to make a point? Analyze the numbers a little or something?

[patmoran2006]

He doesnt like Edwards.. get over it

[Mudflap1]

Would you care to use the stats you posted to make a point? Analyze the numbers a little or something?

Uhhh, ok. They, like, won one game last year and got trounced by almost everyone (including UCLA, my favorite team, who pitifully underachieved last year and got outcoached several times).

He has thrown almost as many INT's as TD's in his career. I don't care how good he is on a bad team, you still have to protect the ball and be accurate when you do get the chance to throw. He got injured a lot.

His QB rating is average for a college QB. He never threw for 2,000 yards or more in a season. See a trend? The guy was an AVERAGE college QB on a terrible team.

Jon

[Mr. Miyagi]

Uhhh, ok. They, like, won one game last year and got trounced by almost everyone (including UCLA, my favorite team, who pitifully underachieved last year and got outcoached several times).

He has thrown almost as many INT's as TD's in his career. I don't care how good he is on a bad team, you still have to protect the ball and be accurate when you do get the chance to throw. He got injured a lot.

His QB rating is average for a college QB. He never threw for 2,000 yards or more in a season. See a trend? The guy was an AVERAGE college QB on a terrible team.

Jon
You got that from just looking at the numbers?

I just read his profile written by pro scouts. It sounds a lot more optimistic than your analysis does.


Positives: Has a tall, thick frame with good muscle thickness, broad shoulders, well-defined chest and arms, thick thighs, long calves, minimal body fat (8.5 percent) and room on his frame to add more bulk … Mobile passer with the ability to throw the ball running out of the pocket … Lacks great timed speed, but has the body control and balance to avoid defenders on the move and shows the nimble feet to step up in the pocket … High character type who is a leader by example (when he was hurt and missed the final five games of 2006, he helped in coaching the reserve quarterbacks and new starter) … Took a lot of punishment behind a bad offensive line (84 sacks in 31 starts), but is not the type to place blame on others … Very intelligent field general who does a good job of scanning the field, if given a chance to stand tall in the pocket … Plays until the whistle and has the upper body strength to absorb and dish out punishment … Has just adequate quickness, but shows good footwork driving away from center and the pinpoint screen mechanics to move the chains when given time to throw … Can freeze a defender with his play-action fakes and shows good zip on his throws when he takes a three-step drop, sets and throws … Despite his 33 interceptions, he does not force his throws (20 interceptions were the result of passes bouncing off the receivers) … His toughness in the pocket is evident, but he needs to avoid contact more than he has in the past … Shows much better accuracy throwing short to intermediate routes, but also does a good job of throwing the ball down the middle of the field … Quick to learn and retain plays and does a nice job of reading and diagnosing defensive schemes, when given time to scan the field … Throws with good touch when firing to running backs and made marked improvement with his progression reads, as he was quicker at locating his second and third targets the last two years than he did in the past … Maintains balance and drive back from center to stand tall in the pocket … His feet are fundamentally sound (just lacks speed) and he shows good fluidity and footwork … Looks more comfortable operating in the pocket than on the move, as he does a very good job of scanning the field and following through with his throws when given time … Best when going through his progressions and having time to read the defenses … Does a good job of seeing the pre-snap and is adequate to react to the bull rush … Has a proper overhand release and is creative enough to improvise and make the play … Displays a compact over-the-top delivery, has a very smooth motion and when given protection, he is very effective at getting rid of the ball in a timely fashion, doing a much better job of stepping off his front foot to generate consistent ball speed … You can see that Edwards has the ability to control a secondary on deep and intermediate passes and he also shows improved touch working underneath … Gets good placement on his short passes, throwing a catchable ball … Has a good understanding for when to zip the ball, thanks to his improved touch … Can stick the pass into tight areas much better than he did in the past and has good awareness to know when to fire the ball or put touch behind his passes … Throws a tight spiral on intermediate and long tosses, showing good zip and the ability to give his receiver a chance to compete for the pigskin … Tough standing under the pass rush, perhaps realizing that he is not the type that can gain valid yardage with his feet … Has good pocket presence and awareness, doing a nicer job of standing in and delivering under pressure than he did in the past … Since he improved his progression reads, he is much quicker scanning the field to locate secondary targets than he was earlier in his career … Shows good timing throwing over the middle and is a good progression reader with the ability to find his secondary targets … Has a good feel and understanding of the offense and keeps his head on a swivel to make the check downs in time while maintaining poise … You don't see much movement from Edwards as a scrambler, but he does have enough agility to avoid the pass rush when pressured and uses his upper body strength adequately to break arm tackles … When forced to throw on the move, he is better rolling out to his right than to the left hash.

Negatives: Has some stiffness in his running stride and only adequate ability to roll out and throw … Sometimes make poor decisions trying to escape (does not follow blockers well), but shows good balance and body control stepping up in the pocket … More of a drop-back passer than one that will be effective throwing from the outside hashes … His nagging shoulder injury might need further medical evaluation … Not the type that will flinch on contact, but has taken considerable beatings behind a suspect offensive line and lacks the ideal foot speed and nimbleness to throw on the move … Shows good overall judgment, but when he gets too brave under the pass rush, he will try to force the ball … Gets into trouble when throwing on the move, as he does not always have good vision when unleashing the ball on rollouts … When he throws under duress, he has trouble following through when flushed out of the pocket and occasionally drops to a three-quarter release, as it appears that he will rush the ball at times … Has good velocity on his short and intermediate throws, but sometimes shows a long arc on his deep outs, needing to do a better job of stepping into those tosses … Will get "happy feet", but has only adequate ball security and is prone to fumbling when taking a crunching hit … In 2005, he did not panic behind poor offensive line protection, but is still prone to getting impatient and will rush it and show questionable judgment, as he would lock on to his primary target too long and then have to force things when the play failed to develop … It is evident that he is not elusive and is easily caught at times when trying to run with the ball … Better when standing in the pocket rather than throwing on the move (does not always set his feet well on the outside hash) … Does not have the foot speed to stay away from the quick bull rush and is too slow-footed to threaten down field … Has the size and runs hard, but isn't really deceptive with his fakes and is a little bit of a stiff straight-line runner … Has a long history of injury problems and an earlier career health issue that needs further medical evaluation.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/edwards_trent

[shelby]

The whole point of this thread was to inject some much needed humor into the endless debate that is going on.

There are hundreds of threads bemoaning the moves made by the front office. Sometimes having a sense of humor helps to put things in perspective.

[G. Host]

Furthermore after reviewing his vast body of work from last year I have joined in the conclusion that Asthon Youboty will be lucky if he can urinate alone much less cover an NFL reciever.

I'd be worried if he could urinate enough to cover a WR even that little one Miami signed. If he could I'd suspect he was a spokesman for the Whizinator.

[Mad Bomber]

I have a really good idea...

Let's all start new threads to complain about people who don't unconditionally fall in love with everything the Buffalo Bills do in their offseason so we can all hear ourselves talk (or, write) superflously. Better yet, let's all give Marv Levy the personal praise and all the credit in the world, when in reality he's nothing more than a figurehead that probably works 2 hours a day and merely oversees operations...

Nobody said the Bills should move. I'm not saying the Bills won't be competitive (although I think 5-11 or 6-10 sounds about right right now), and I'm not saying I don't support the players on the roster. I'm just saying I think there were a few very questionable moves and that's that. For you guys to constantly berate and insult people who have a brain and can think for themselves (and understand the game of football) is ridiculous.
Lighten up, Francis....

The post that started this thread was a welcome, light-hearted departure from the tightly wound, over-serious, Oh-my-God-the-sky-is-falling threads that have dominated this board since the draft (it's hard to believe it's only been 72 hours).

:calm: