John Beck

[ptd86]

I don't understand why everyone is so high on this guy. I know a lot of people have ripped the pick of Ted Ginn Jr., but howcome Beck hasn't got more criticism. He will be 26 years old when the season starts. Therefore he will be as old as J.P. with zero pro-experience. Howcome all the analysts are high on him, yet to draft Chris Weinke was a joke to even think about. Am I the only one to think that Beck was not a solid pick, but a terrible one?

[POZ]

Re: John Beck

****ty pick!

[Mr. Miyagi]

Re: John Beck

Over in Finheaven one guy said John Beck = Roger Staubach

[FinFaninBuffalo]

Re: John Beck

I don't understand why everyone is so high on this guy. I know a lot of people have ripped the pick of Ted Ginn Jr., but howcome Beck hasn't got more criticism. He will be 26 years old when the season starts. Therefore he will be as old as J.P. with zero pro-experience. Howcome all the analysts are high on him, yet to draft Chris Weinke was a joke to even think about. Am I the only one to think that Beck was not a solid pick, but a terrible one?

Are you concerned about Losman's age? He's still learning to play QB in the NFL. If Beck becomes a probowl QB before Losman does, will it matter that he entered the league after Losman?

[Mudflap1]

Re: John Beck

Of course Beck is 26, he's a Mormon! Man's gotta serve...

That all being said, I think he's a better pick for Miami than Edwards was for us. Miami's not going anywhere and needs a QB. Maybe he'll step up, maybe not. He'll at least be a pet project for Cam Cameron.

Edwards in the 4th round or later would have been fine for us, but we took him too high. And he sucks. But at least if we took him in the 5th or something and he sucks, that's almost to be expected. Hello Travis Brown!

Jon

[mikemac2001]

Re: John Beck

Of course Beck is 26, he's a Mormon! Man's gotta serve...

That all being said, I think he's a better pick for Miami than Edwards was for us. Miami's not going anywhere and needs a QB. Maybe he'll step up, maybe not. He'll at least be a pet project for Cam Cameron.

Edwards in the 4th round or later would have been fine for us, but we took him too high. And he sucks. But at least if we took him in the 5th or something and he sucks, that's almost to be expected. Hello Travis Brown!

Jon

Stanford sucked, Edwards might to but if your team sucks its hard to produce Monster numbers AKA USC every year

[The Spaz]

Re: John Beck

Of course Beck is 26, he's a Mormon! Man's gotta serve...

That all being said, I think he's a better pick for Miami than Edwards was for us. Miami's not going anywhere and needs a QB. Maybe he'll step up, maybe not. He'll at least be a pet project for Cam Cameron.

Edwards in the 4th round or later would have been fine for us, but we took him too high. And he sucks. But at least if we took him in the 5th or something and he sucks, that's almost to be expected. Hello Travis Brown!

Jon

You actually compare Edwards to Brown? Tell me how they are even remotely comparable? Wasn't Brown an UDFA?

[The Answer]

Re: John Beck

Of course Beck is 26, he's a Mormon! Man's gotta serve...

That all being said, I think he's a better pick for Miami than Edwards was for us. Miami's not going anywhere and needs a QB. Maybe he'll step up, maybe not. He'll at least be a pet project for Cam Cameron.

Edwards in the 4th round or later would have been fine for us, but we took him too high. And he sucks. But at least if we took him in the 5th or something and he sucks, that's almost to be expected. Hello Travis Brown!

Jon

Your kidding right?

Edwards was ranked as the 3 best QB in the draft and was a 1st round pick on a lot of draft boards. He played well with garbage around him and is going to create a huge QB controversy in Buffalo as early as this summer.

~The Answer

[FinFaninBuffalo]

Re: John Beck

You actually compare Edwards to Brown? Tell me how they are even remotely comparable? Wasn't Brown an UDFA?

Edwards is a very interesting prospect. IMO, he would have been an extremely risky pick for the Fins given his injury history and lack of production in college. I would not have been comfortable betting the next few years on a player that won only 10 games in college. I know that Stanford was a bad team, but Edwards did not elevate that team at all. He may turn into a great pro and the Bills will be rewarded with a starting QB or trade compensation (a la Matt Schaub).

[Mudflap1]

Re: John Beck

How many times have you guys seen Trent Edwards play? The guy was on a pretty bad team, but had a very good offensive-minded coach in Walt Hackett, and put up miserable numbers. At least Jay Cutler could steal a game or two with his arm (because his team sucked overall) in college. You guys are just going off what a few clowns said in draft guides. Who cares? Those guides are for people that don't watch football or don't understand football and can't make up their mind on their own about a player. The guy is not impressive. Again, Trent Edwards will equal Travis Brown in terms of NFL production.

But let's anoint the guy the greatest thing since sliced bread because Marv Levy (whoops! I mean John Guy and Tom Modrak - the guys that REALLY do the work) picked him).

Jon

[FinFaninBuffalo]

Re: John Beck

Your kidding right?

Edwards was ranked as the 3 best QB in the draft and was a 1st round pick on a lot of draft boards.

You state this as if there is only one univeral QB ranking. Not only is that not true, you can't even be sure where the Bills had him ranked. At least 3 teams did not have him ranked as the #3 QB (Philly, Miami, Detroit). Cleveland was much higher on Quinn than Edwards. That's all anyone can say for sure.

There were a number of QB needy teams that passed on Edwards 3 or 4 times. None of this means that he won't be a good pro, but your statement is a bit over the top.

[Mudflap1]

Re: John Beck

Your kidding right?

Edwards was ranked as the 3 best QB in the draft and was a 1st round pick on a lot of draft boards. He played well with garbage around him and is going to create a huge QB controversy in Buffalo as early as this summer.

~The Answer

Hey hot shot, where were all of your 10,000 trades you predicted during the draft of which all of your sources said they were going to happen, but you had no links and none of them happened? You have about as much credibility as the Chimp from the old Red Rose Tea commercials...

Jon

[The Spaz]

Re: John Beck

How many times have you guys seen Trent Edwards play? The guy was on a pretty bad team, but had a very good offensive-minded coach in Walt Hackett, and put up miserable numbers. At least Jay Cutler could steal a game or two with his arm (because his team sucked overall) in college. You guys are just going off what a few clowns said in draft guides. Who cares? Those guides are for people that don't watch football or don't understand football and can't make up their mind on their own about a player. The guy is not impressive. Again, Trent Edwards will equal Travis Brown in terms of NFL production.

But let's anoint the guy the greatest thing since sliced bread because Marv Levy (whoops! I mean John Guy and Tom Modrak - the guys that REALLY do the work) picked him).

Jon

So what are you basing your opinions off of?

[ptd86]

Re: John Beck

Are you concerned about Losman's age? He's still learning to play QB in the NFL. If Beck becomes a probowl QB before Losman does, will it matter that he entered the league after Losman?

No I am not concerned with Losman's age because he has had years to get experience and has got better every year. Beck has no experience and by the time he has enough he'll be 30 years old. Then its time to draft a nother qb to follow beck. Just think in the 2nd round you should draft someone who will be ready to really do well in the league before hes 30.

[Mudflap1]

Re: John Beck

So what are you basing your opinions off of?

Seeing him play about 15-20 times (full games) over the past 4 years. Watching Pac-10 football religiously. Having a brain and being able to make a decision on my own instead of letting Mel Kiper, Todd McShay, or Marv Levy tell me what to think about a player. Check his stats out if you don't believe me. The guy was an average college QB at best on a terrible team.

Jon