Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

[Wys Guy]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/6340068

I found the parallels, coupled with the willingness of many to yield the benefit of the doubt to Levy & Co., somewhat precarious.

[patmoran2006]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

I don't yield anything to Levy.

I think he's had good drafts, at least on paper I like it this year---of which how much he's responsible for who knows.

But I think our FA moves under him have been a complete and utter joke.

And dont even get me started about a couple of his trades/or no trades. Keeping Clements and tagging him, KNOWING you'll never pay him once he hits the market instead of getting a good pick for him in 2006......Trading Spikes for a player they won't even sign.

Pleaseeeeeeeeeee

[OpIv37]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

Don't forget Jauron- he still has a lot to prove as a coach. And TD's single biggest flaw is his terrible coaching selections (arguably anyway).

[Jan Reimers]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

I've got an idea! Let's give Marv a chance.

If, after 5 years, we're as bad off as Donahoe left us, I'll be more than willing to say he stunk.

But after only 18 months on the job, and what appear to be 2 good, productive drafts, I'm willing to delay judgment on what Marv is building here.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

And TD's single biggest flaw is his terrible coaching selections (arguably anyway).

Arguably?

TD passed on Marvin Lewis, who brought the Bengals back way past respectability, John Fox, who took the Panthers to the Super Bowl, and Charlie Weis, who - need I say more? - and hired Gregg Williams, who took a talented Washington defense to one of the worst in the league last year, and Mike Mularkey, who has been demoted from HC to OC to now TE coach.

I'd say that's a "definitely".

[ddaryl]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

I know lets not have faith in anyone at anytime. Lets just conitnue to foster the negativity that everything Buffalo does is nothing but a screw up. That'll fix everything and make it all better.


OR we could just be fans, take the optomist route and enjoy our hobbie/ pasttime as much as possible knowing full well we cannot control any bit of what happens. All we can do is hope and hold onto the thought that one day we will shed the monlkey on our back and win the big one.

I don't know about some of you, but I'd much rather look at things through rose colored glasses then to be miserable *****s like some of ya's.

Yes in hindsight TD screwed the pooch in a few areas, but he did some positive things to. Unfortunately we can not do anything about that and we simply must look forward.

[OpIv37]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

I've got an idea! Let's give Marv a chance.

If, after 5 years, we're as bad off as Donahoe left us, I'll be more than willing to say he stunk.

But after only 18 months on the job, and what appear to be 2 good, productive drafts, I'm willing to delay judgment on what Marv is building here.

Why the reluctance to judge Marv on a move-by-move basis? If he makes a good move, everyone here lines up to kiss his ass. If he makes a bad move, everyone tries to spin it into a good move.

I agree at this point that it's tough to judge his overall performance. But considering this message board is about the Bills and he's the Bills' GM, I think it's more than appropriate to analyze what he's done so far.

[OpIv37]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

I know lets not have faith in anyone at anytime. Lets just conitnue to foster the negativity that everything Buffalo does is nothing but a screw up. That'll fix everythign and make it all better.


OR we could just be fans, take the optomist route and enjoy our hobbie/ pasttime as much as possible knowing full well we cannot control any bit of what happens. All we can do is hope and hold onto the thought that one day we will shed the monlkey on our back and win the big one.

I don't know about some of you, but I'd much rather look at things through rose colored glasses then to be miserable *****s like some of ya's

I'd much rather look at things realistically. It's more fun and challenging to try to make an accurate prediction about what will happen over the course of the season then to spend the off-season trying to justify why the Bills won't suck.

[Jan Reimers]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

Why the reluctance to judge Marv on a move-by-move basis? If he makes a good move, everyone here lines up to kiss his ass. If he makes a bad move, everyone tries to spin it into a good move.

I agree at this point that it's tough to judge his overall performance. But considering this message board is about the Bills and he's the Bills' GM, I think it's more than appropriate to analyze what he's done so far.

Basically, I don't like to micromanage my business and my employees, and I don't like to microanalize every Bills' move. I'm more of a results guy. We showed improvement last season, and I see no reason why we won't be better again in 2007.

This is Marv's second year, so his draft picks from last season will be just second year players, and this year's draft picks, as well as the retooled offensive line, haven't even put on pads yet.

I just think it's a little early to jump on every perceived "bad" move with both feet, before we've even gone to training camp.

[Dr. Lecter]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/6340068

I found the parallels, coupled with the willingness of many to yield the benefit of the doubt to Levy & Co., somewhat precarious.

Just as interesting are that some of the same people that criticized TD's approach and wanted a similar approach to the one Marv is taking are now criticizing Marv for not taking a TD like approach.

[Night Train]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

Oh, look. Another Chicken Little...er...I mean..."Realist" thread.

I don't think Marv is infallible whatsoever. He's getting lots of help from Modrak, John Guy and the coaching staff when final decisions are made on players. He isn't watching a lot of film himself.

Right now, I have concerns with the D line but know the 2nd week of Sept. is a long way off. Moves can be made plus no one has seen the team in pads yet. I really don't pretend to know what we have until I visit camp and watch the pre-season. Right now, I reside on the middle ground like many, with the natural off-season optimism that says it can get better. I'm not predicting double digit wins but looking for the team to finally move in the right direction by making needed changes of the old guard that didn't win us a damn thing.

Those who want to signal impending doom right now are buoyed by the fact that real games won't be played for 3+ months and no one can say they are wrong.

Gutsy !

[OpIv37]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

Those who want to signal impending doom right now are buoyed by the fact that real games won't be played for 3+ months and no one can say they are wrong.

Gutsy !

um, the exact same thing is true for the people who say the D will be better because it's younger and faster. Or that Youboty will be ok because he has a "first round grade".

[gil]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

I guess I missed what exactly brought this discussion on?

[Night Train]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

um, the exact same thing is true for the people who say the D will be better because it's younger and faster. Or that Youboty will be ok because he has a "first round grade".

The jury is till out on that. I agree.

[gil]

Re: Interestingly, Donadope was once viewed as a very competent GM too

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/6340068

I found the parallels, coupled with the willingness of many to yield the benefit of the doubt to Levy & Co., somewhat precarious.

What parallels are there between Donahoe & Levy other than the fact that they both served as GM's of the Bills?

The guy in this article talked about giving Donahoe the benefit of the doubt on McGahee because of his supposed long history of success and reputation as a GM.

Marv was a coach for 40 some odd years, not a GM - where are the parallels?